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Sideways -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 9:40:27 AM)

Back to the 80's Chelle? Admit it, you miss the hair don't you? [8D][8D][8D]

You know, I wonder if every generation looks at the one in front of it and worries for the fate of the nation. The men and women who fought WWII raised the hippy generation, Vietnam protests, anti-Nixon protests, drugs, open sex and Civil rights for blacks and women. The must've thought the world was falling apart.

Go back even farther, and you have the WWI generation looking at the roaring 20's and some pretty crazy stuff going on there, too. Women even had the right to vote!

Go back to post Civil War, and the southerners are looking at a world where blacks are free people (at least in theory). The world goes through some crazy changes with each generation.

But I agree with Chelle, that I wish I knew more of my neighbors. I hope I feel okay letting my son out to play and roam the neighborhood with his friends (assuming he has his cell phone with GPS tracking with him).



elastic -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 9:46:33 AM)

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I can understand wanting to live in a more sinless world, but no matter what time in history you go back to, there were horrific things done that undermined the security of people. What am I missing?


exactly. there was never a time in our history where people were more Godly. The fact is that now with the free flow of information, it only seems that way. People were just as evil in the 50's as they are today.

there is nothing new under the sun.

and 100 years ago? the same thing. wealth and the posession of it has always been a priority. even in colonial times.

and Chelle, i was just thinking about NYC 20 years ago. you wouldn't have wanted to live here then. you weren't safe walking alone in times square. there were strip joints on every corner, muggings every few minutes...even 15 years ago it wasn't pretty. all that has changed now.

as for being safe to walk on the street in mainstream america, well there have always been child abuductions, predators, etc....it's just that now with the ease of internet things are made easier. there have always been prisons, there have always been criminals and there always will be. every generation looks back on the previous generation and pines for 'the way things used to be'. but they only seem to remember the good things about the past, and not the bad.

i wouldn't give up living in our current age for anything. i can vote, i can have a job AND a family, i can drive a car, i have AC, i have comfortable clothing, i have modern convenience at my fingertips, not to mention CW forums. i would never go back and live in another time.



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 9:55:41 AM)

Every era has its pros and cons.

I wouldn't truly want to go back (I'd miss the internet and Monk[8D]), but there are many things I wish we hadn't lost from previous times. And there are many things about modern society that I detest.

I agree with many of the problems assessed by feminism (abuse and mistreatment of women) but I think feminism's solutions have just caused different kinds of problems. Neo-victorianism won't creat utopia, but neither will feminism.



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We live in the most convenient time ever and our lives are simplified by technology, convenience foods, and modes of transportation. We have more free time and much less work to meet our needs.


And yet...we are busyer and more stressed out than ever. Weird how that works. [;)] Everything is so convenient that people just fill up their plates with more and more stuff. When we invite people to dinner, we often have to look two and three months into their calendar for them to find the time to relax over a meal. [&:]



HisCovenant -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 10:02:03 AM)

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And yet...we are busyer and more stressed out than ever. Weird how that works.

That's true, but that's because of our priorities and our "I can have it all" attitude.



Georgia-Peach -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 10:37:21 AM)

So, honestly ladies you do think every generation and every era had its worries about the future of the country/world ahead for their children's generation making us (or me) no different?

I am grateful for where I live though in the US because I think it does help me to have some sense of hope. Being in the bible belt people are overall friendly here, we live in a safe town/neighborhood, and we have been blessed with wonderful godly friends who share are morals/standards in life. I do wish though that we fellowshipped more though, I think this is the biggest lost for me. I remember growing up we had dinner on the grounds atleast once a month with no evening service that night, people dropped by unannouced and it was never an issue, my parents always had people over for dinner, etc. My hubby and I do our best to do some of these things, but my hubby gets tired of us being the ones who always invite and no one else does.

I reallly think I need to have self control and stay out of certain threads though and maybe my perspective will change. I just don't want to become nieve to the things around me if that makes sense.



HisCovenant -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 10:45:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Georgia-Peach

So, honestly ladies you do think every generation and every era had its worries about the future of the country/world ahead for their children's generation making us (or me) no different?

I think that's true. They worried about the same issues, but those worries may have been in different balance. For example, there have been other eras where homosexuality was a big issue, just like now, and other times when it was a little less prevelant. Just like racism isn't as prevelant now in America as it is in other areas of the world currently or as it was in American history. Abortion isn't new. Sexual sins aren't new. Abuse isn't new. Murder isn't new. All generations have had to deal with bad things because human nature hasn't changed.

All generations have also had great reason to hope, as well. Love, purity, faith, mercy, friendship, and grace aren't new, either.



Georgia-Peach -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 10:51:23 AM)

I like your post a lot! You always seem to post something I need to read...thanks!



HisCovenant -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 11:05:15 AM)

Mine? You just made my day! I haven't had a good compliment like that in months!



Georgia-Peach -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 11:07:07 AM)

Glad I could make your day!



Georgia-Peach -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 11:08:53 AM)

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Back to the 80's Chelle? Admit it, you miss the hair don't you?

lol...I have to admit though I was 8 when the 80s ended I couldn't wait until I was old enough to have big hair. But, by the time I reached that age big hair was out though teased bangs were in. If nothing else I have to say I wouldn't want to go back to most of the past fashion eras because I enjoy todays fashions...well the modest ones atleast.



Sideways -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 11:44:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom
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We live in the most convenient time ever and our lives are simplified by technology, convenience foods, and modes of transportation. We have more free time and much less work to meet our needs.

And yet...we are busyer and more stressed out than ever. Weird how that works. [;)] Everything is so convenient that people just fill up their plates with more and more stuff. When we invite people to dinner, we often have to look two and three months into their calendar for them to find the time to relax over a meal. [&:]


I hear you on that one, but it's largely people's own fault. We're always inviting people over to dinner, but it rarely ever happens. Now, we do fellowship with BIL and SIL, but with 3.5 kids between us, one kid is often getting sick, even though all are cared for at home. That cuts down on fellowship a lot.

And Chelle? I had the teased bangs, too. I couldn't stand to wear clothes in times gone by - women forget the horrific damage that corsets did to women's bodies. Upper class women spent hours each day with the 3 or 4 clothing changes they were expected to make.



Mrs.Wifey -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 12:10:50 PM)

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So, honestly ladies you do think every generation and every era had its worries about the future of the country/world ahead for their children's generation making us (or me) no different?


Absolutely. Every generation has seen our country at war(although we are not *technically* at "war" now), every generation has faced the stress of changing technology and economic problems at one time or another. Like Zippy said, we have all faced much of the same problems.

I do wish we fellowshiped more, but that's our own fault not because it's 2008. Even with our busy schedules we manage to find time for a regular dinner night with several couples, we do eat as a family when Micah is home, etc... I think alot of it is where our focus is and not just that of the "times". We are to be in this world, not of it.



LaurainAL -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 12:14:43 PM)

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If you could, would you want to go back in time to live in a different era?


No Way Jose!



PrincessDonna -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 12:18:26 PM)

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These are the things I would not give up, thereby obliterating any chance I might be given of going back in time:

* tampons
* stick on heating pads
* microwave
* computer
* heart rate monitor
* shaved ice
* pants


Amen. And some other things too, I'm sure. Mass production of chocolate.[:D] Refrigeration. Indoor plumbing.

I'm sure every time has had their ups and downs. But since God has placed me in THIS time, I know this is just where I am supposed to be. So I'll try to make the most of the ups and improve on the downs as I am able.



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 1:32:39 PM)

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That's true, but that's because of our priorities and our "I can have it all" attitude.


Possibly that's some of it. But I think there is something about the high-tech, high-convenience lifestyle that drives it, not just people being dumb. [;)] Laundry is easy to do and water is easy to get, so we are expected to have enough clothes to change every day, or even twice a day. Even though dh and I reject that expectation [:D] and don't change outer clothes every day, I still have way more laundry to do than my mother-in-law with a bunch of kids still at home. I have more cleaning to do than her, because even though we live extremely modestly, I have more than a one-room hut to sweep every day. I have a dishwasher, and even with re-using cups, I wash more dishes in a day than she does in 3 days. [&:]
My dh has lived the super low-tech lifestyle and grew up in a subsistence farming culture. So he has done both. And he is not a "have it all" kind of guy, and desperately wants a simple life, but has found that life in America may be physically easy but it can be extremely stressful, even when one is trying to keep it simple. Just watching everyone else go a million miles an hour is tiring, and in order to keep up for friendship and business sake, we have had to speed up out lifestyle beyond what we would prefer. While his lifestyle growing up was hardscrabble, he remembers the women in his village having the time to fellowship with each other over coffee every morning--encouraging and advising each other, helping each other out, finding out needs that others had, etc. And in the evenings the men did something similar after finishing in the fields. Their life was incredibly hard physically, but they had something we don't. Here he doesn't have to struggle to survive and is even putting on some weight, but there are still stressors. Just different kinds.



clag4christ -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 4:55:12 PM)

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Male attitude towards women voting I've seen several times in different areas.


I've never come across this either...but maybe I just tend to stay away from either men or threads that are chauvinist.

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but I think you're over exaggerating the situation.


I don't believe I am...

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Besides, that's still a lot better then being lynched for saying hello to a white girl, or black females having little other career choice then being a domestic servant.


But we don't live in those times today...and today right now men are bashed and white men are made to feel as if they're completely horrid because of the color of their skin and their percieved 'upper hand' in life...

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Women in the colonial era had no say, no choice.


No say and no choice as far as what? They were free to choose whom to marry; they were free to worship the Lord God; they were free to raise their children in the love and admonition of the King of Kings; free to discuss a myriad of things with their spouses and their women friends...just look at John & Abigail Adams relationship...I don't believe that it was that unique a situation, their marriage.

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wealth and the posession of it has always been a priority. even in colonial times.


Not so sure about this...while I agree that man has always been evil and has always lusted after the wrong things...I do think that, especially in Colonial America that God and family were put first moreso than now.

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I'd miss the internet and Monk [8D]


Me too!! Can't wait for the new season to start! [:D]

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Neo-victorianism won't creat utopia, but neither will feminism.


I agree...while 'feminism' gave us the right to vote it has ushered in much more destructive behavior, imo. The 'sexual revolution' and abortion rights to name two...



Sideways -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/4/2008 6:57:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
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Besides, that's still a lot better then being lynched for saying hello to a white girl, or black females having little other career choice then being a domestic servant.


But we don't live in those times today...and today right now men are bashed and white men are made to feel as if they're completely horrid because of the color of their skin and their percieved 'upper hand' in life...

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Women in the colonial era had no say, no choice.


No say and no choice as far as what? They were free to choose whom to marry; they were free to worship the Lord God; they were free to raise their children in the love and admonition of the King of Kings; free to discuss a myriad of things with their spouses and their women friends...just look at John & Abigail Adams relationship...I don't believe that it was that unique a situation, their marriage.


LOL, my husband has never been made to feel horrid by anybody for being white, nor has my father, brother or any other white man I've ever met. Sure, men aren't treated as demi-gods anymore, but I'm sure a few of them don't appreciate having to compete with women and blacks for jobs.

Colonial women did not have the choice to attend university, to pursue a career if they choose. I'll agree some of them were deeply loved by their husbands, but even if they did have a choice in husband, wife and mother was the only choice available to them.



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/5/2008 6:39:10 AM)

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Colonial women did not have the choice to attend university, to pursue a career if they choose.


Neither did most men.

For most of history, one's income and class set one's life path in stone, men and women alike.

Rich people of every era, including rich women, had many more choices than poor people, including poor men.

Just as it's dangerous to romanticize previous ages, I also think it's dangerous to generalize too much the other way. It wasn't all good and it wasn't all bad. Life sucked for some people, male and female alike, and life was grand for others, male and female alike.



fluffmonkey -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/5/2008 1:00:16 PM)

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Abortion isn't new. Sexual sins aren't new. Abuse isn't new. Murder isn't new. All generations have had to deal with bad things because human nature hasn't changed.
All generations have also had great reason to hope, as well. Love, purity, faith, mercy, friendship, and grace aren't new, either.


Well said, I agree... There are good things and bad things about this world and have always been, Crimes and Prices have went up....but today we have medicine and technology and are blessed with many great things.

Jesus tells us that we are not apart of this world and that this world will hate us as it has Him. We are going to have troubles But as long as we follow God and His word, we will someday have a place with out the things of this world.



clag4christ -> RE: The Good Old Days? (6/5/2008 3:58:07 PM)

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Sure, men aren't treated as demi-gods anymore, but I'm sure a few of them don't appreciate having to compete with women and blacks for jobs.


I've never known a man who was treated as a demi-god. Just as I've never met a man who was angry or bitter about having to 'compete' against women and blacks (what about other races, eh?) for jobs.

Maybe I just don't see the world in the terms that you do. I don't see women and minorities as victims just waiting to be taken advantage of by 'rich white men' who want everything for only themselves. This nation is an amazing one where today, in this land, everyone has the opportunity to acheive if they're willing to work hard for their goals and dreams. It's not called "The American Dream" for nothing.

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For most of history, one's income and class set one's life path in stone, men and women alike.


Indeed...and it's still like that in some places. India for example is still rife with a horrible caste system that punishes and even kills due to prejudice...



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