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JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 11:34:10 AM)

Already Mr. Barr is showing more of his less-than-perfect side. By November, no perfect Christians will be available for alternative-voters:

WASHINGTON (BP)--Some political observers believe Libertarian presidential nominee Bob Barr could siphon off votes from Republican John McCain, but that may be less likely -- particularly among social conservatives -- now that Barr has stated his opposition to two key pro-family issues: the Defense of Marriage Act and the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

A former Republican U.S. representative from Georgia, Barr told Libertarian Party members at their convention in Denver in May that he now favors overturning the federal Defense of Marriage Act, the same law he championed in 1996 and one that protects states from being forced to recognize another state's "gay marriage." It also prevents the federal government from recognizing "gay marriage."

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Barr's position puts him on the same page with presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama, who also favors repealing DOMA. McCain supports the law.

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"[W]ith nearly a decade and a half of the hybrid 'don't ask, don't tell' policy to guide us, I have become deeply impressed with the growing weight of credible military opinion which concludes that allowing gays to serve openly in the military does not pose insurmountable problems for the good order and discipline of the services," Barr wrote."

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Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 12:40:30 PM)

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Obviously we are not going to get a straight answer from you. And it is such a simple question requiring only a yes or no answer.

Oh grow up, man. Junior high students play "what if" games to make foolish points, not adults. Again your question is irreverent and shows one that doesn't have a firm grasp of the real world.
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And you are avoiding a simple question. It wouldn't hurt you to answer it, though it might hurt your pride to actually give an honest answer to it. If anyone needs to grow up, it is you sir.



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 12:43:48 PM)

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Obviously we are not going to get a straight answer from you. And it is such a simple question requiring only a yes or no answer.

Oh grow up, man. Junior high students play "what if" games to make foolish points, not adults. Again your question is irreverent and shows one that doesn't have a firm grasp of the real world.
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And you are avoiding a simple question. It wouldn't hurt you to answer it, though it might hurt your pride to actually give an honest answer to it. If anyone needs to grow up, it is you sir.

If you cannot support your view without "let's pretend," then it isn't for adults and not worth considering. "What ifs" are childish and prove absolutely nothing.

Besides, I answered your question, you just chose to ignore a biblically based, Christian answer.



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 12:53:49 PM)

With Barr's position placing him on the same page with presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama, which alternate is looking good for you now?



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 12:53:58 PM)

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No, you did not answer the question. You are avoiding it. I'm done with you because you are not worth arguing with.

Hypothetical questions are asked all the time. Have you ever been to a job interview? Have you ever watched an election season?



Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 1:55:37 PM)

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With Barr's position placing him on the same page with presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama, which alternate is looking good for you now?


No, Bob Barr simply wants the government out of your personal life. Unlike John McCain and Barrack Obama. You have done nothing to make him look bad and you continue to not answer my question.



saved9201 -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 1:56:29 PM)

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The consequences of 4 years of a liberal president with a Democratically controlled Congress is, IMO, the worst possible combination.


Yeah, and it'll be even worse if Obama is elected.

- Julius



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:00:55 PM)

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No, you did not answer the question. You are avoiding it. I'm done with you because you are not worth arguing with.

You just dislike people that won't give you a canned answer to your canned questions so you can floor them with your canned enlightenment. I suppose that's why you won't face Mr. Barr's leftist leanings.

No sweat off my nose if you refuse to face facts or a bible-based Christian answer to your let's pretend questions.
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Hypothetical questions are asked all the time.

And they carry no weight whatsoever. One can pose and answer make-believe situations all day long without risking or proving a thing. What matters is where the rubber meets the road, not in Sesame Street games.



Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:05:34 PM)

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No, you did not answer the question. You are avoiding it. I'm done with you because you are not worth arguing with.

You just dislike people that won't give you a canned answer to your canned questions so you can floor them with your canned enlightenment. I suppose that's why you won't face Mr. Barr's leftist leanings.

No sweat off my nose if you refuse to face facts or a bible-based Christian answer to your let's pretend questions.
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Hypothetical questions are asked all the time.

And they carry no weight whatsoever. One can pose and answer make-believe situations all day long without risking or proving a thing. What matters is where the rubber meets the road, not in Sesame Street games.


Leftist leanings? Does Bob Barr want higher taxes? No. Does he want big government? No. He believes that people are intelligent enough to make their own decisions regarding their personal decisions. I consider gay marriage a minor issue. There are far bigger ones such as our country becoming socialist, which is the direction that both Obama and McCain seem to be leaning towards (based on their voting records).



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:05:51 PM)

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...You have done nothing to make him look bad and you continue to not answer my question.

Same games with you... Do y'all get this tripe from your 3rd party propaganda machine? You act like the Jehovah's Witnesses that come by my house and fall apart when I discuss concrete Christianity and what scripture actually teaches.

You 3rd Party Cultists may pretend you haven't been answered, but you don't fool anyone but yourself. I answered the question - I just didn't follow your script. Unlike the Alternate Crowd, I don't tend to follow bullies that make bogus claims.



Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:07:41 PM)

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...You have done nothing to make him look bad and you continue to not answer my question.

Same games with you... Do y'all get this tripe from your 3rd party propaganda machine? You act like the Jehovah's Witnesses that come by my house and fall apart when I discuss concrete Christianity and what scripture actually teaches.

You 3rd Party Cultists may pretend you haven't been answered, but you don't fool anyone but yourself. I answered the question - I just didn't follow your script. Unlike the Alternate Crowd, I don't tend to follow bullies that make bogus claims.


Wow, did you get all that from the two party propaganda machine?



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:11:03 PM)

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...I consider gay marriage a minor issue...

Say no more. You Alternative crowd have pretended to represent the true Christian choice when it is nothing but a tool, a minor issue to cajole believers into following blindly behind your candidates with their special agendas.

The more you people rant & rave, the more you expose yourself for what you really are. You wouldn't vote for Jesus if He were on the ballot with Mr. Barr, Mr. Paul, or anyone else because He's too concerened about what you think are "minor issues."



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:12:46 PM)

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Wow, did you get all that from the two party propaganda machine?

Strike a nerve, did I? No sir, as I've stated, I am not nor ever have been a member of the Republican or Democratic party.



blessedinnyc -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:16:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: Solus
...I consider gay marriage a minor issue...

Say no more. You Alternative crowd have pretended to represent the true Christian choice when it is nothing but a tool, a minor issue to cajole believers into following blindly behind your candidates with their special agendas.

The more you people rant & rave, the more you expose yourself for what you really are. You wouldn't vote for Jesus if He were on the ballot with Mr. Barr, Mr. Paul, or anyone else because He's too concerened about what you think are "minor issues."

Considering the fact that the government endorses and starts wars, as well as funds abortion, issues with sexual immorality seem relatively minor compared to taking human life.



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:22:05 PM)

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Considering the fact that the government endorses and starts wars, as well as funds abortion, issues with sexual immorality seem relatively minor compared to taking human life.

You probably don't honestly see how ironic your statement is but I find it sad that you think issues with sexual immorality are unrelated to the taking of human life.

Accommodate one blatant perversity while stamping out the results of its cousin.

Truly amazing. Truly ironic.


Again, I do not see any of you enlightened ones actually voting for Jesus despite the righteous stance you take.



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:24:04 PM)

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No, you did not answer the question. You are avoiding it. I'm done with you because you are not worth arguing with.

You just dislike people that won't give you a canned answer to your canned questions so you can floor them with your canned enlightenment. I suppose that's why you won't face Mr. Barr's leftist leanings.

No sweat off my nose if you refuse to face facts or a bible-based Christian answer to your let's pretend questions.
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Hypothetical questions are asked all the time.


And they carry no weight whatsoever. One can pose and answer make-believe situations all day long without risking or proving a thing. What matters is where the rubber meets the road, not in Sesame Street games.


For one thing, I am not a supporter of Mr. Barr. I'm supporting Chuck Baldwin or did you already forget the unprovoked bashing you gave me in another thread for refusing to follow the crowd? You are like so many people I know who bash others simply to make themselves feel better but won't give an honest answer to a simple yes or no question.

And if you think hypothetical questions carry no weight, try refusing to answer one in a job interview and see if you get the job. Hypothetical questions do matter and when people answer them they reveal a great deal about the person. Of course refusing to answer them reveals a great deal too.



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:26:07 PM)

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Again, I do not see any of you enlightened ones actually voting for Jesus despite the righteous stance you take.


If He was on the ballot I would! Would you? Oh, I forgot, you don't answer hypothetical questions because they are childish. [8|]



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:37:09 PM)

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Again, I do not see any of you enlightened ones actually voting for Jesus despite the righteous stance you take.


If He was on the ballot I would!

No you wouldn't, you've already shown that his values aren't important enough to get your vote. But it costs you nothing to make the statement, since you don't have to put up.



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:41:16 PM)

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And if you think hypothetical questions carry no weight, try refusing to answer one in a job interview and see if you get the job. Hypothetical questions do matter and when people answer them they reveal a great deal about the person. Of course refusing to answer them reveals a great deal too.

Yeah, I know about those hypothetical job interview questions. People answer them the way they think the employer wants them to. They reveal nothing about the real person, only a willingnes to pretend-play. That's why most jobs come with a trial period.

Or didn't you know about trial periods and why they have them?



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:43:11 PM)

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For one thing, I am not a supporter of Mr. Barr. I'm supporting Chuck Baldwin...

Principle is the same. You have a largely unknown person that is less than perfect - only that he is willing to play "let's pretend" well enough to convince people that are fond of "what if."



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:48:12 PM)

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For one thing, I am not a supporter of Mr. Barr. I'm supporting Chuck Baldwin...

Principle is the same. You have a largely unknown person that is less than perfect - only that he is willing to play "let's pretend" well enough to convince people that are fond of "what if."


I know Chuck Baldwin is not perfect but he is closer to it than any other candidate that is out there, which is why I am voting for him. If a better one comes along, the that is who I will vote for.



Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:48:37 PM)

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...I consider gay marriage a minor issue...

Say no more. You Alternative crowd have pretended to represent the true Christian choice when it is nothing but a tool, a minor issue to cajole believers into following blindly behind your candidates with their special agendas.

The more you people rant & rave, the more you expose yourself for what you really are. You wouldn't vote for Jesus if He were on the ballot with Mr. Barr, Mr. Paul, or anyone else because He's too concerened about what you think are "minor issues."


Do you remember the 10th amendment? Here it is: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Gay marriage is a state issue. Not a federal issue. I am voting for Bob Barr because he believes in states rights and individual rights. And you completely missed what I was saying about Jesus running.



Jeff_from_Kentucky -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:53:06 PM)

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Again, I do not see any of you enlightened ones actually voting for Jesus despite the righteous stance you take.


If He was on the ballot I would!

No you wouldn't, you've already shown that his values aren't important enough to get your vote. But it costs you nothing to make the statement, since you don't have to put up.


Be very careful before you call someone a liar. I know that bashing and name-calling makes you feel better about yourself but I am telling the truth.

Also, show me anywhere that I have said that Jesus' values were not important to me. You can't because I haven't. In all of my posts I have repeatedly shown that I am trying to find a candidate that is as close to Jesus' values as is humanly possible. Since Jesus is not on the ballot, that is what I have to do. However, if Jesus was on the ballot, that is who would get my vote.

Do not call me a liar again unless you can back it up!



JimboFletch -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:53:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Solus

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: Solus
...I consider gay marriage a minor issue...

Say no more. You Alternative crowd have pretended to represent the true Christian choice when it is nothing but a tool, a minor issue to cajole believers into following blindly behind your candidates with their special agendas.

The more you people rant & rave, the more you expose yourself for what you really are. You wouldn't vote for Jesus if He were on the ballot with Mr. Barr, Mr. Paul, or anyone else because He's too concerened about what you think are "minor issues."


Do you remember the 10th amendment? Here it is: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Gay marriage is a state issue. Not a federal issue. I am voting for Bob Barr because he believes in states rights and individual rights. And you completely missed what I was saying about Jesus running.

In other words, if Jesus was on the ballot, you wouldn't vote for Him any more than the other Alternative groupies.

You talk a good game in the beginning but reveal more as you talk. I ain't buying.

See Jeff? "What ifs" is a silly game. It's reality that matters.



Solus -> RE: Alternative Candidates (6/6/2008 2:56:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: Solus

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: Solus
...I consider gay marriage a minor issue...

Say no more. You Alternative crowd have pretended to represent the true Christian choice when it is nothing but a tool, a minor issue to cajole believers into following blindly behind your candidates with their special agendas.

The more you people rant & rave, the more you expose yourself for what you really are. You wouldn't vote for Jesus if He were on the ballot with Mr. Barr, Mr. Paul, or anyone else because He's too concerened about what you think are "minor issues."


Do you remember the 10th amendment? Here it is: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Gay marriage is a state issue. Not a federal issue. I am voting for Bob Barr because he believes in states rights and individual rights. And you completely missed what I was saying about Jesus running.

In other words, if Jesus was on the ballot, you wouldn't vote for Him any more than the other Alternative groupies.

You talk a good game in the beginning but reveal more as you talk. I ain't buying.

See Jeff? "What ifs" is a silly game. It's reality that matters.


No, if Jesus were on the ballot I would vote for him. I am voting for a candidate who wants the government to only handle the issues that cannot possibly be left the states or by the people.



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