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hellohellohi -> RE: Darwin's Debt to Christianity (6/13/2008 12:00:31 AM)

Dear no1nose,

I can't quite convince myself that you are being anything but earnest, though I thought you were making a joke at first. Unfortunately, you cannot assume me to be earnest when I ask you a nonetheless serious question, Why don't we start a religion founded entirely on obscurity (if no one knows as you say)?

Regarding the OP...
There is an idea that Jesus could be the uber-man, but I doubt Nietzsche would agree with it. I haven't read much of Darwin himself, so I can't say where his rhetoric tended.

But if you are making a joke, it seems it is only meant for yourself, and is therefore funny only to another, secret observer of yourself. (Because devoting oneself so thoroughly to a joke that one refuses to acknowledge it outwardly would be an embarrassing tragedy if one were to die with such a secret and no longer a comedy at all.)

Therefore, I am saying, if you are joking, then it would seem that you DO know -- nudge nudge wink wink ;) If you are being ironic, then, indeed, you must know something we don't. What is it? I encourage you to speak openly.

Otherwise, carry on, carry on, ignore the raving, wayfaring eavesdropper, hellohellohi!!



hellohellohi -> RE: Darwin's Debt to Christianity (6/13/2008 12:07:25 AM)

hmm, and if we are all trying to utter a new word... perhaps aren't we all just trying to declare we are the first to discover the name which is as old or older than the Universe itself -- Jesus?

or, perhaps we feel that in uttering this Word, all things will be made new, and we are confused about the word itself turning out to be one which we have already come across



no1nose -> RE: Darwin's Debt to Christianity (6/13/2008 4:00:10 PM)

Evolution is often presented as a stroke of original genius by Darwin. What I am trying to show is that it is really a heretical offshoot of Christianity that has tried to disguise it true origin. Christianity is about the redemption of the unfit and Evolution is about the survival of the fittest (this is true whether evolutionist admit it or not). In Christianity God plays an active role in the creation of life and in evolution life happens by “chance”.

I am trying to point out that despite many differences both Evolution and Christianity are about the transformation of one species into another. For Christianity it is the creation of the new man. Darwin’s scenario begins with one member being different at birth. This follows Christianity as Jesus was different – being conceived by the Holy Spirit. In Evolution this “mutation” gives the individual an advantage in survival. Having been raised from the dead proves that Jesus was a survivor. Finally in evolution the member of a species are not like this new individual becomes “extinct”. This too follows the Christianity in that those who do not accept Jesus are lost. Please note that none of these ideas are self evident in the natural world. They are read into it by Darwin’s preconceived Christian ideas.

The survival issues that face humanity are hunger, overpopulation, war, disease. Even from an evolutionary point of view if everyone became like Jesus there would be no hunger because he was able to feed people. Neither would be there be sickness, war or death. The same can not be said for Buddha, Mohamed, or Moses or anyone else one can think of. So even from an evolutionary point of view Jesus is the one



Method -> RE: Darwin's Debt to Christianity (6/13/2008 4:08:52 PM)

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Evolution is often presented as a stroke of original genius by Darwin.


Darwin's genius was in the way he presented his theory and the evidence. Alfred Russel was working on the same theory at the same time independent of Darwin. It was Darwin's familiarity with the evidence which made him the more famous of the two.

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What I am trying to show is that it is really a heretical offshoot of Christianity that has tried to disguise it true origin.


Then you are doing a poor job.

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Christianity is about the redemption of the unfit and Evolution is about the survival of the fittest (this is true whether evolutionist admit it or not). In Christianity God plays an active role in the creation of life and in evolution life happens by “chance”.


Buddhism is about reality being an illusion, and QM is about the illusion of matter. Are you saying that QM was derived from Buddhism?

Whatever way you wish to twist this or that there is one fact in this whole thing. Darwin derived his theory from his observations, not the Bible.

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In Evolution this “mutation” gives the individual an advantage in survival.


Actually, in evolution mutations can make individuals less fit.

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Having been raised from the dead proves that Jesus was a survivor.


But Jesus did not have any offspring which is what evolution is all about.

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Even from an evolutionary point of view if everyone became like Jesus there would be no hunger because he was able to feed people.


That is wrong. The human population would increase in size until the planet could not produce enough food to support the population.



hellohellohi -> RE: Darwin's Debt to Christianity (6/13/2008 4:23:38 PM)

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Evolution is often presented as a stroke of original genius by Darwin. What I am trying to show is that it is really a heretical offshoot of Christianity that has tried to disguise it true origin. Christianity is about the redemption of the unfit and Evolution is about the survival of the fittest (this is true whether evolutionist admit it or not). In Christianity God plays an active role in the creation of life and in evolution life happens by “chance”.

I am trying to point out that despite many differences both Evolution and Christianity are about the transformation of one species into another. For Christianity it is the creation of the new man. Darwin’s scenario begins with one member being different at birth. This follows Christianity as Jesus was different – being conceived by the Holy Spirit. In Evolution this “mutation” gives the individual an advantage in survival. Having been raised from the dead proves that Jesus was a survivor. Finally in evolution the member of a species are not like this new individual becomes “extinct”. This too follows the Christianity in that those who do not accept Jesus are lost. Please note that none of these ideas are self evident in the natural world. They are read into it by Darwin’s preconceived Christian ideas.

The survival issues that face humanity are hunger, overpopulation, war, disease. Even from an evolutionary point of view if everyone became like Jesus there would be no hunger because he was able to feed people. Neither would be there be sickness, war or death. The same can not be said for Buddha, Mohamed, or Moses or anyone else one can think of. So even from an evolutionary point of view Jesus is the one


Okay, sure.

But what's your point? Just "putting ideas out there"? That's cool. Whatever. Keep thinkin guy (girl?)!



no1nose -> RE: Darwin's Debt to Christianity (6/13/2008 11:34:41 PM)

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That is wrong. The human population would increase in size until the planet could not produce enough food to support the population.


No, population would be stable. Jesus did not have children and lives forever. Population would die out with Buddha and overpopulate with the others.



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