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earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 6:23:50 PM)

Some blunt truths...

Physical healing is not promised to all believers living today.

Satan can and does perform false miracles, signs and wonders, healings which deceive and fool.

God actually brings on aliments, etc to complete His will when He deems it proper.




Liveloved -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 7:22:00 PM)

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God actually brings on aliments, etc to complete His will when He deems it proper.


A powerful, profound but not popular thought. Yet, I agree. His ways are above our ways.




SonInMe1 -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 8:45:35 PM)

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that it's because my faith isn't strong enough?


A faith the size of a mustard seed is enough to move mountains. Its not the amount of faith. Its where your faith is directed. If you have faith in men you get men's rewards. If you have faith in God, then you get God's blessings.

Doctors are not perfect. Not always do thier efforts work. God's efforts always work...though it may not be in the way we think it should be. Doctorsa cannot heal someone God does not want healed.....in a sence.

Now I believe God always wants to heal...always. That...is my part in the covenent with God...faith in God. God does...what He does.

In no way do I support not going to a doctor. It would have to be a burning bush Damascus road experience for me not to go to a doctor.




ChristopherJ -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 10:00:09 PM)

Wow - great question, Trixie, and great comments so far. There are many reasons why not all people are healed, and here are just a few of them. (I just recently preached a message on this in a mid-week healing meeting at our church).

1. UNBELIEF:
¡§And when they had come to the multitude, a man came to Him, kneeling down to Him and
saying, "Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is an epileptic and suffers severely; for he
often falls into the fire and often into the water. So I brought him to Your disciples, but
they could not cure him." Then Jesus answered and said, "O faithless and perverse
generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here
to Me." And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him; and the child was cured
from that very hour. Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, "Why could we
not cast it out?" So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to
you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to
there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.¡¨ (Matthew 17:14-20).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because we don¡¦t believe God¡¦s promise of healing.
„h This is why it¡¦s important to feed on God¡¦s Word, and read books and listen to audio
sermons that will strengthen our faith!

2. UNFORGIVENESS:
¡§Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive
them, and you will have them. And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything
against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your sins. But
if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your sins.¡¨ (Mark 11:24-26).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because of unforgiveness in the heart.

3. UNCONFESSED SIN:
¡§Confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The
effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.¡¨ (James 5:16).
¡§Now a certain man was there who had an infirmity thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw
him lying there, and knew that he already had been in that condition a long time, He said
to him, "Do you want to be made well?" The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man
to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; but while I am coming, another steps
down before me." Jesus said to him, "Rise, take up your bed and walk." ¡K Afterward
Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, "See, you have been made well. Sin no
more, lest a worse thing come upon you.¡¨ (John 5:5-8,14).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because of unconfessed sin in our lives.

4. PRIDE:
¡§Now Naaman, commander of the army of the king of Syria, was a great and honorable
man in the eyes of his master, because by him the Lord had given victory to Syria. He was
also a mighty man of valor, but a leper¡K And Elisha sent a messenger to him, saying, "Go
and wash in the Jordan seven times, and your flesh shall be restored to you, and you shall
be clean." But Naaman became furious, and went away and said, "Indeed, I said to myself,
'He will surely come out to me, and stand and call on the name of the Lord his God, and
wave his hand over the place, and heal the leprosy.¡¨ (2 Kings 5:1,10-11).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because of pride.

5. RELIGIOUS SPIRIT AND ATTITUDES:
¡§Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them
a sign from heaven.¡¨ (Matthew 16:1).
The scribes and Pharisees were ¡§lying in wait for Him, and seeking to catch Him in
something He might say, that they might accuse Him.¡¨ (Luke 11:54).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because we are asking for a healing for the wrong
reasons, or because of critical and judgmental attitudes.

6. DEMONS:
¡§Then Jesus called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over
all demons, and to cure diseases.¡¨ (Luke 9:1).
„h Demons not only cause sickness, but they also hinder healing today. Sometimes it is not a
matter of praying for healing, but casting out devils.
„h Spirit of Infirmity - Luke 13:10-11
„h Spirit of Epilepsy - Matt 17:14-15
„h Spirit of Depression (Heaviness) - Isaiah 61:3
„h Deaf and Dumb (Mute) Spirit - Mark 9:25
„h Spirit of Blindness - Matt. 12:22
„h Sickness is Demonic Oppression - Acts 10:38

7. A GENERATIONAL CURSE:
¡§You shall not bow down to idols nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous
God, visiting the sins of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of
those who hate Me.¡¨ (Exodus 20:5).
¡§Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us.¡¨
(Galatians 3:13).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because we need to break a generational curse.

8. LACK OF PERSEVERANCE:
¡§And He said to them, "Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and
say to him, 'Friend, lend me three loaves; for a friend of mine has come to me on his
journey, and I have nothing to set before him'; and he will answer from within and say, 'Do
not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and
give to you'? I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend,
yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.¡¨ (Luke 11:5-8).
¡§Then He spoke a parable to them, that men always ought to pray and not lose heart.¡¨
(Luke 18:1).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because we don¡¦t persevere in prayer.
„h We need to P.U.S.H. in our prayers ¡V Pray Until Something Happens!
„h There was a time when Daniel was seeking God for wisdom, and when an angel of the
Lord finally appeared with the answer, he said, ¡§Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first
day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your
words were heard; and I have come because of your words. But the prince of the
kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief
princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.¡¨ (Dan.
10:12-13). Note that it took 21 days for the answer to come from Heaven to Daniel!

9. LACK OF HONOUR TOWARDS LEADERS:
¡§Then He went out from there and came to His own country, and His disciples followed
Him. And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue. And many
hearing Him were astonished, saying, "Where did this Man get these things? And what
wisdom is this which is given to Him, that such mighty works are performed by His hands!
Is this not the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon?
And are not His sisters here with us?" And they were offended at Him. But Jesus said to
them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country¡K" Now He could do no
mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them.¡¨
(Mark 6:1-5).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because we don¡¦t honour those God sends to us.

10. NEGLECTING NATURAL MEANS:
¡§Then Isaiah said (to Hezekiah), "Take a lump of figs." So they took and laid it on the boil,
and he recovered.¡¨ (2 Kings 20:7).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because we don¡¦t take care of our bodies.
„h God requires us to use wisdom (nutrition, diet, vitamins and exercise).
„h God will use doctors and natural medicine, too.

11. A BROKEN SPIRIT:
¡§A merry heart does good, like medicine, But a broken spirit dries the bones.¡¨ (Prov. 17:22)
¡§The spirit of a man will sustain him in sickness, But who can bear a broken spirit?¡¨ (Prov.
18:14).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because of trauma and wounds from the past.
¡§The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, Because the Lord has anointed Me To preach
good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted¡K To comfort all who
mourn¡K To give them beauty for ashes, The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise
for the spirit of heaviness.¡¨ (Isaiah 61:1-3).
„h Sometimes we need to receive emotional healing before physical healing.

12. IGNORANCE OF GOD¡¦S WORD:
¡§My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.¡¨ (Hosea 4:6).
¡§So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.¡¨ (Romans 10:17).
„h Sometimes we don't receive blessings because we don't know what our inheritance is!

13. NO EXPECTATION:
¡§Now Peter and John went up together to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour.
And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the
gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms from those who entered the temple;
who, seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, asked for alms. And fixing his eyes
on him, with John, Peter said, "Look at us." So he gave them his attention, expecting to
receive something from them. Then Peter said, "Silver and gold I do not have, but what I
do have I give you: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk." And he
took him by the right hand and lifted him up, and immediately his feet and ankle bones
received strength.¡¨ (Acts 3:1-7).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because we don¡¦t expect to receive anything from God.
„h ¡§You do not have because you do not ask.¡¨ (James 4:2).

14. LACK OF PRAYER AND FASTING:
¡§However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.¡¨ (Matthew 17:21).
¡§Is this not the fast that I have chosen: To loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the heavy
burdens, To let the oppressed go free, And that you break every yoke? Then your light
shall break forth like the morning, Your healing shall spring forth speedily, And your
righteousness shall go before you; The glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.¡¨ (Isaiah
58:6,8).
„h Sometimes we don¡¦t get healed because we haven¡¦t aggressively sought God in prayer
and fasting.

15. THE MYSTERY OF THE SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD:
¡§The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong
to us and to our children forever.¡¨ (Deuteronomy 29:29).
„h Sometimes there is no answer to the question of why we didn¡¦t receive our healing.
„h Then our response must be, as Job¡¦s was: ¡§The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken
away; Blessed be the name of the Lord.¡¨ (Job 1:21).
„h QUOTE: ¡§God can¡¦t always be explained, but He can always be exalted.¡¨ (Pastor Dave
Koop).
„h Our job is to pray for the sick ¡V God¡¦s job is to heal the sick.

Hope that helps!

(By the way, if you want to learn more about this topic, you can download this audio sermon from www.beausejourchurch.ca). Blessings!




URForgiven -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 10:15:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: doinkdom

OK but what I'm reading in several posts is that God's healing is in direct correlation or relationship with the amount of my personal faith in God.

So...no matter how much I pray, my heart is right, my relationship with God is great, my life is in order...my fibromyalgia is a connected to a lack of faith (not mine personally...but as an example).

[&:] yes? no?


No.

Does not the atheist's finger, cut while slicing vegetables, heal if cared for properly? Where is the atheist's faith? And yet God heals even the atheist.

"...He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." Matthew 5:45

God is not limited in who and how He heals or doesn't heal, neither should we limit Him in our thoughts or beliefs

Peace




earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (6/10/2008 11:14:12 PM)

ChristopherJ - God does not promise physical healing for all believers today.

Also, generational curses are not what you're saying they are. Context is key, we're not Old Testament Israel.




PolarBear -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 6:06:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

ChristopherJ - God does not promise physical healing for all believers today.

All specific cases, no. I do however think that any person, or at least any group of Christians, who lives a Christ-centered life walking in the Spirit, and who has a consistent habit of praying for healing, should see at least some. I think that is what the end of Mark 16 is saying.

Jesus told His disciples to heal, and in the Great Commission He told them to teach the nations to do the same things. So I think it is God's will that we ask for it, and He decides where and when to dole it out.




SonInMe1 -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 7:48:17 AM)

Ya forgot honoring your mother and father...long life promise there.

Animals can't have faith and they heal too. God is not unkind...He is just....just.




earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 7:49:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PolarBear

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ORIGINAL: earthless

ChristopherJ - God does not promise physical healing for all believers today.

All specific cases, no. I do however think that any person, or at least any group of Christians, who lives a Christ-centered life walking in the Spirit, and who has a consistent habit of praying for healing, should see at least some. I think that is what the end of Mark 16 is saying.

Jesus told His disciples to heal, and in the Great Commission He told them to teach the nations to do the same things. So I think it is God's will that we ask for it, and He decides where and when to dole it out.


I am sure all believers have testimonies to the healings and providence that they have seen God provide. But that does not mean Scripture promises all born-again believers will receive physical healings. Nor does it say that a lack of faith is the reason why people are sick or financially poor, like some like to teach today.

That is a lie and an abuse of the flock.




DaveW -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 11:15:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

I think you will not find Scriptural support for Satan being able to heal. You will find support for he and his minions pretending to heal. They are false healings, which means they are not healings at all. Same with miracles, Satan pretends to perform miracles, but they are not really miracles at all. The amplified Bible says it more clearly...

2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels--[all of them] lying wonders
The Amplified can bring out some otherwise hidden facets of meaning in certain cases. In other cases it actually clouds the issue. In this case the word "lying" is actually 'of falsehood.' i.e. - They are real miracles but they lead to falsehood.

Are you trying to tell me that pharoh's magicians did not make staves into snakes when confronted by Moses? That it was all some kind of slight of hand?

Edited to add:

Are we using the same definitions of healing and miricales?

I am saying that any healing or occurance that bends or breaks the normal laws of nature is a miracle.




URForgiven -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 11:52:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaveW

Are you trying to tell me that pharoh's magicians did not make staves into snakes when confronted by Moses? That it was all some kind of slight of hand?


They were practicing magic. You don't believe that David Copperfield really made the Statue of Liberty disappear, do you? [;)]

Satan is the Deceiver. He deceives by mimicking God, by pretending to be and do what only God can actually do. To say that Satan can heal is to ascribe to him powers that he does not have because the power to heal is Gods alone, as the Creator and sustainer of life.

Peace




doinkdom -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 12:14:02 PM)

I have to agree with earthless on this

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ORIGINAL: earthless
Also, generational curses are not what you're saying they are. Context is key, we're not Old Testament Israel.


I would add Ezekiel 18 as evidence to be considered as well.




earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 1:46:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

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ORIGINAL: DaveW

Are you trying to tell me that pharoh's magicians did not make staves into snakes when confronted by Moses? That it was all some kind of slight of hand?


They were practicing magic. You don't believe that David Copperfield really made the Statue of Liberty disappear, do you? [;)]

Satan is the Deceiver. He deceives by mimicking God, by pretending to be and do what only God can actually do. To say that Satan can heal is to ascribe to him powers that he does not have because the power to heal is Gods alone, as the Creator and sustainer of life.

Peace


Scripture differs..

Pharaoh’s magicians performed miracles

The last and main Antichrist and false prophet will perform miracles

The Bible speaks of counterfeit signs and wonders

Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, Exodus 7:11-12, 2 Thessalonians 2:9, Matthew 7:15, 24:11, 24:24, Mark 13:22, Luke 6:26, Acts 13:6, 2 Peter 2:1-3, 1 John 4:1 and many other passages/context.




URForgiven -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 2:13:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

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ORIGINAL: DaveW

Are you trying to tell me that pharoh's magicians did not make staves into snakes when confronted by Moses? That it was all some kind of slight of hand?


They were practicing magic. You don't believe that David Copperfield really made the Statue of Liberty disappear, do you? [;)]

Satan is the Deceiver. He deceives by mimicking God, by pretending to be and do what only God can actually do. To say that Satan can heal is to ascribe to him powers that he does not have because the power to heal is Gods alone, as the Creator and sustainer of life.

Peace


Scripture differs..

Pharaoh’s magicians performed miracles

The last and main Antichrist and false prophet will perform miracles

The Bible speaks of counterfeit signs and wonders

Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:22, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, Exodus 7:11-12, 2 Thessalonians 2:9, Matthew 7:15, 24:11, 24:24, Mark 13:22, Luke 6:26, Acts 13:6, 2 Peter 2:1-3, 1 John 4:1 and many other passages/context.


Every Scripture you have indicated and any more you may care to supply, all support what I have written. There is no disagreement at all.

Peace




earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 2:29:54 PM)

You're stating Satan cannot perform healings, signs and wonders... Scripture says he (and the demonic) can, does and will.




URForgiven -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 2:40:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

You're stating Satan cannot perform healings, signs and wonders...


Thats what I am stating that Scripture says, you are correct.

Peace




DaveW -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 2:45:38 PM)

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They were practicing magic. You don't believe that David Copperfield really made the Statue of Liberty disappear, do you?
Copperfield is a fake.

That does not mean that the devil is a fake as well. He is a minor supernatural power (compared to God) but he is a supernatural power and can do real acts that defy the laws of physics. Could someone really do what copperfield pretends to do by demonic force? Probably.

Orlindo DeOlivera of Brazilia Brazil (who came to faith circa 1960) was a witch doctor who had done some wild things: materializing and dematerializing cars to kill people, curing diseases (to put a worse one on later), having demonic doubles of himself in various places at the same time.

That is the real stuff, not the fake copperfield tricks.

The biggest evil miracle satan has worked is making us believe either he does not exist or if he does exist, he has only power to tempt.

But do remember, he is a defeated foe, and is subject to the Name of Jesus.




earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 2:58:01 PM)

Amen, DaveW.




colliefan -> RE: Question About Healing (6/11/2008 11:06:18 PM)

Home Free




jbird56 -> RE: Question About Healing (6/13/2008 6:59:04 PM)

He says to pray for them and they will be healed. This is true, but it isn't always the way we expect or want it to be. Some people are healed and return to a regular way of life. Others are healed when they return to heaven, to live for eternity with the Lord, where there is no sickness or suffering. We need to be patient and wait on the Lord.

Hebrews 6:15 And, so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

I am chronically/terminally ill and have been bedridden for the past 3+ years. I pray to be healed, and I know that many people pray for me also. I will be healed in the Lord's time. I am patient in the Lord. The doctors told me I had 3 - 5 years to live. That was over 7 years ago. The doctors do not make the final decisions - God does. I know I will be healed. The Lord heals my pain; complete healing may take place when I return to Him. All glory to the Lord.

Psalm 119:50 This is my comfort in my affliction, that Your promise gives me life.




Imani32006.cd -> RE: Question About Healing (6/13/2008 9:01:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: trixie123

I'm having a bit of a hard time w/ something. If Jesus says if one of you is sick pray for them and they will be healed. Obviously this doesnt always work. Why would he say it if it weren't true? What did he mean?

I hope this helps, but, you ask what does it mean when the Lord says to pray for others and they will be healed. I believe it means that if you obey and pray for the sick they shaall be healed by faith.
Sometimes, I believe we just think our way out of understanding the words of the Lord. They are so simple and really do work.
There were times when it is written that there were many people gathered round the Lord. Acccording to the Bible every one in the crowd was healed, on some occassions.
In Matthew 10:10, He gave power to His disciples to heal the sick, and, also, authority in Luke 20.
It is God's desire for us to be healed, but we must trust in Him and seek Him diligently. For the how's and why's and when's He reserves to Himself, for His ways and thoughts are higher than ours and we must acknowledge that. He is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him.
It does not show we have little or no faith when we are not healed, however. There are various reasons, sometimes it is not time, etc., and sometimes because it may be our time to go home to be with the Lord. He loves us so. Hope this helps a little.[:)]




Miril -> RE: Question About Healing (6/13/2008 9:09:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: PolarBear

quote:

ORIGINAL: earthless

ChristopherJ - God does not promise physical healing for all believers today.

All specific cases, no. I do however think that any person, or at least any group of Christians, who lives a Christ-centered life walking in the Spirit, and who has a consistent habit of praying for healing, should see at least some. I think that is what the end of Mark 16 is saying.

Jesus told His disciples to heal, and in the Great Commission He told them to teach the nations to do the same things. So I think it is God's will that we ask for it, and He decides where and when to dole it out.


I am sure all believers have testimonies to the healings and providence that they have seen God provide. But that does not mean Scripture promises all born-again believers will receive physical healings. Nor does it say that a lack of faith is the reason why people are sick or financially poor, like some like to teach today.

That is a lie and an abuse of the flock.


I disagree, all that is needed is Faith and a Pure Heart. Problem is that most people do not have a pure heart.

A pure heart is not about going to church every Sunday, reading scripture everyday and hanging out in a Christian forum.

It is about following God's Word when no one is looking . What people always forget is that God is ALWAYS looking, and he knows.

Psalm 73:1 (NIV)
Surely God is good to Israel, to those who are pure in heart.




Tomb -> RE: Question About Healing (6/14/2008 10:23:33 AM)

Healing (miracles) ceased around the end of the first century (1Cor. 13:8-10) (Eph. 4:11-13). One of the reasons we know it ceased is because the only ones who could pass on the gifts to other people were the apostles according to (Acts 6:6 ; 8:18).


18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given,...


When the 12 apostles died,there was no one else to pass along the spiritual gifts according to the word of God.



Next - Some may claim certain people did not have enough faith to be healed. I would like to point out that Jesus raised a dead man in (John 11:39). A dead man cannot have any faith. Yet The Lord raised Him from the dead.



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PolarBear -> RE: Question About Healing (6/14/2008 10:40:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tomb

Healing (miracles) ceased around the end of the first century (1Cor. 13:8-10) (Eph. 4:11-13). One of the reasons we know it ceased is because the only ones who could pass on the gifts to other people were the apostles according to (Acts 6:6 ; 8:18).

What nonsense. Try telling that to those who have seen miracles, and it's not hard to find a Christian who has.

Also, healing is not mentioned only in the context of apostles. Ananias, a non-apostle, laid hands on Saul for him to receive his sight. Paul mentioned healing as a spiritual gift in 1 Cor 12. And Jesus said that healing will be a sign of those who believe (again, as I've said before, this is not a guarantee that it will happen every time).




Tomb -> RE: Question About Healing (6/19/2008 7:57:00 PM)

Know anyone who has walked on water lately?


Know anyone who has raised a person from being dead for four days Lately?


The word of God says to prove all things (1Thess.5:21). Where are all these people who claim to do these miracles? Let us see them. Come forth.


If any of these things could be done today,don't you think we would be seeing these things on TV?

The reason for miracles was to confirm the word (message) was from God and the messenger was sent by God (Mark 16:20) (Heb.2:3,4). And of course to create faith in men (John 20:30,31).

The word has already been confirmed. All the message of God was once delivered during the first century according to (Jude 3) (2 Peter 1:3) (John 14:26 ; 16:13). There is no more message to be revealed,therefore no need to confirm anything.

The written word about the miracles should be enough to create faith in men today (John 20:30,31).

But if you can make an appoinment with someone who can raise the dead,lets all meet at a cemetery and see what happens. The proof will be in the puddin (1Thess. 5:21).

Then we will see if what I am saying is nonsense or not.


tomb awaits




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