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TheBibleTRUTH -> RE: Question About Healing (7/10/2008 10:25:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Psalms274 quote: I would tell them to believe and that they can be healed. No sickness is too great for God to heal. If God can create universes then he can heal anything your body has in you. God created the sun (which isn't even the biggest of it's kind) that has millions of nuclear explosions on it per second and it never runs out of energy (at least in our lifetime). How can a God that big and powerful not be able to heal certain things. Yes He can ... but often He doesn't ... not because of sin, or unbelief ... but because He knows what is best and many times it is better for Him to go up the mountain with you than it is for Him to remove the mountain. quote: It comes down to believing for God to move for you. They just need to believe God and they will absolutely get healed, there are no exceptions. This is a very dangerous misinterpretation of the scripture you quoted in post 95. He does not exist to “move for me.” Yes is able to heal all diseases, but He also says in Deut. 32:39 "See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.” He is God … He is a loving God, He is able to heal anything He chooses to heal and even bring back from death, BUT He can do what ever He wants to do. It will always be the best thing, and many times healing may look like the best thing to our finite minds, but in His INFINITE wisdom, He KNOWS what is best and chooses NOT to heal many times for that reason. To tie it with faith and making the statement that He WILL heal IF you have enough faith is a dangerous misinterpretation of scripture. I went to a church that embraced this theology, and cringed when I heard some of the things being taught. (I felt God wanted me there for a reason and stayed for 6 months ... anyways, it's a long story.[:)]) One Sunday the preacher got up and told us about an man who the preacher had lead to the LORD by sharing with the man that God would heal his wife from the coma if he would just believe. The church (and man) were worked up into a frenzy of belief ... and later the woman died and many fell from faith, including the man. They were looking for a machine and or system that would make their life wonderful ... you deposit your unfaltering faith, and He gives you the healing you asked for. I had two friends diagnosed with a terminal illness, one with advanced liver cancer and one with Lou Gehrig's disease. Both believed without a shadow of a doubt that they would be healed by God. Their wives enthusiastically believed with them as did many of their friends and family. God chose to bring them both home. I watched one wife turn her back on God for not "doing what He promised" and the other draw nearer to God because she understood her God could not be wrong for bringing her husband home at that time ... she knew His character and knew, though she did not understand, that He does not make mistakes. She also knew That her husband was now in glory with his Maker and Father ... completely healed. This place we call home is a temporary dwelling place and you seem to be confusing the perfect place that is being prepared for us with the temporary dwelling we find ourselves ... I think Hebrews 11:13 says it best, "All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. Our faith in God is not based on what He can do for us, but it is in Who He Is. When your focus is on getting the "healing that proves His love for you" you miss the real prize of knowing Him ... and show yourself to not know Him as you thought you did. Yes He can heal all things ... He healed me when I did not expect Him to ... but if He had chosen not to it would have been for a better purpose, not because He did not love me or was unable. Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace." Well, I don't really know the specifics of what happened in your stories so I really cannot comment on that, however, A lot of things come into play when you are talking about things like that. How you pray is a big thing, abundant sharing (tithing), etc. There are many things that shows God's love for us. I never said I exclusively thought that healing was the only way he could show love. The fact that he sent his only begotten son to die for us speaks huge about his love for us. The Bible is full of our sonship rights that are freely given to us by grace. Grace is love to us. There are many things I could expound upon, but this thread is about healing and not about those things. I also never said that this place was perfect. This place sucks compared to heaven. There are many verses that point out the exceedingly great things that are going to be in heaven. That it's going to take God all of eternity to show us how much he love us. That we will know God like he knows us and be able to fully enjoy his love. I cannot wait to get to heaven. The only thing I was trying to do was point out that this kind of healing was available. There are many people who browse these forums that do not know what is available to them. It's available for people to get healed of anything, so they should strive to believe that. I can't determine the problem in your individual or random scenarios because I don't know your hearts and I'm not God. God is the only one who knows the hearts of men and can fully judge any situation. When I said that there are no exceptions I meant that any disease can get healed. That is in the context of the question that I quoted from the previous poster. The Bible would not say it would heal all diseases but then exclude cancer, or cerebral palsy. I think you got that point confused. I don't really want to turn this in to a back and forth person to person debate because that sort of thing is not very fruitful for anyone involved. I do, however, want to point out that we are very important to God. Our wellbeing is one of God's top concerns (which I can prove with scripture, if you want). Most people don't understand how important we are. There is no greater title on earth than to be called a Son of God. We are of the few that want to know God on a personal level and he surely wants to take care of us in every aspect of our lives. To think that he doesn't is just trying to figure out what God is on your own instead of going directly the scripture. God Bless.

Tomb -> RE: Question About Healing (7/11/2008 2:18:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PolarBear Tomb: Perhaps you can explain, do you see a connection between your bolded verse in Zech 13:2 and healing? That is saying that false prophets will be driven out of the land. Hello PolarBear, I hope all is well. Let me show you what one scholar had to say. I realize all men do not agree. Homer Hailey wrote: "Likewise, unclean spirits, the antithesis of the prophets, would cease. In the conquest of Christ over Satan and his forces, unclean spirits have ceased to control men as they did in the time of the ministry of Christ and the apostles (cf. also Mic. 5:12-13)" (The Minor Prophets, Grand Rapids: Baker, 1972, p. 392). tomb - I believe this fits well. I do not believe that unclean spirits and prophets in (Zech. 13:2) are referring to the same thing. My understanding of this verse could be shown to be untrue if one person who claims to be able to preform miracles comes forth and raises the dead. As far as the phrase "will be driven out of the land". I believe this to mean all of the earth. Here are three good lessons on miracles. 1. Chuck Northrop: Does God Work Miracles Today? URL: http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/Northr13.htm - 7k - 06 Oct 2005 2. Preston Silcox: The Purpose of Bible Miracles URL: http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/SilcoxP3.htm - 6k - 02 Feb 2003 3. Roelf L. Ruffner: Today's "Miracles" And Lying Wonders URL: http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/Ruffner2.htm - 9k - 03 Dec 2005 tomb

TheBibleTRUTH -> RE: Question About Healing (7/12/2008 5:52:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tomb quote: ORIGINAL: PolarBear Tomb: Perhaps you can explain, do you see a connection between your bolded verse in Zech 13:2 and healing? That is saying that false prophets will be driven out of the land. Hello PolarBear, I hope all is well. Let me show you what one scholar had to say. I realize all men do not agree. Homer Hailey wrote: "Likewise, unclean spirits, the antithesis of the prophets, would cease. In the conquest of Christ over Satan and his forces, unclean spirits have ceased to control men as they did in the time of the ministry of Christ and the apostles (cf. also Mic. 5:12-13)" (The Minor Prophets, Grand Rapids: Baker, 1972, p. 392). tomb - I believe this fits well. I do not believe that unclean spirits and prophets in (Zech. 13:2) are referring to the same thing. My understanding of this verse could be shown to be untrue if one person who claims to be able to preform miracles comes forth and raises the dead. As far as the phrase "will be driven out of the land". I believe this to mean all of the earth. Here are three good lessons on miracles. 1. Chuck Northrop: Does God Work Miracles Today? URL: http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/Northr13.htm - 7k - 06 Oct 2005 2. Preston Silcox: The Purpose of Bible Miracles URL: http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/SilcoxP3.htm - 6k - 02 Feb 2003 3. Roelf L. Ruffner: Today's "Miracles" And Lying Wonders URL: http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/Ruffner2.htm - 9k - 03 Dec 2005 tomb Those there articles are all very inaccurate[:(] :(.

Tomb -> RE: Question About Healing (7/13/2008 4:15:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheBibleTRUTH quote: ORIGINAL: Tomb quote: ORIGINAL: PolarBear Tomb: Perhaps you can explain, do you see a connection between your bolded verse in Zech 13:2 and healing? That is saying that false prophets will be driven out of the land. Hello PolarBear, I hope all is well. Let me show you what one scholar had to say. I realize all men do not agree. Homer Hailey wrote: "Likewise, unclean spirits, the antithesis of the prophets, would cease. In the conquest of Christ over Satan and his forces, unclean spirits have ceased to control men as they did in the time of the ministry of Christ and the apostles (cf. also Mic. 5:12-13)" (The Minor Prophets, Grand Rapids: Baker, 1972, p. 392). tomb - I believe this fits well. I do not believe that unclean spirits and prophets in (Zech. 13:2) are referring to the same thing. My understanding of this verse could be shown to be untrue if one person who claims to be able to preform miracles comes forth and raises the dead. As far as the phrase "will be driven out of the land". I believe this to mean all of the earth. Here are three good lessons on miracles. 1. Chuck Northrop: Does God Work Miracles Today? URL: http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/Northr13.htm - 7k - 06 Oct 2005 2. Preston Silcox: The Purpose of Bible Miracles URL: http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/SilcoxP3.htm - 6k - 02 Feb 2003 3. Roelf L. Ruffner: Today's "Miracles" And Lying Wonders URL: http://www.gospelpreceptor.com/Ruffner2.htm - 9k - 03 Dec 2005 tomb Those there articles are all very inaccurate[:(] :(. Hello BIBLE TRUTH, If you are sure those articles are not correct,please do show where and how they are incorrect. I am always open to truth (John 17:17). (Acts 17:11) ...they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. tomb

TheBibleTRUTH -> RE: Question About Healing (7/13/2008 6:43:35 PM)
The problem with this is that the verse they used to try and prove that miracles no longer happen does not mean that at all. I'll quote an excerpt from your first article; "Paul wrote when the "perfect" comes, the "in part" will be done away (1 Cor. 13:8-12). In this passage, the "perfect" is contrasted to the "in part." The "in part" is named as tongues, knowledge and prophesy — all having to do with revelation. The "perfect" or the mature, then must be the completed revelation of God. When God completed His revelation to man, the "in part" would "fail," "cease," and "vanish away." To drive this home, Paul used three illustrations of growing to maturity — the child becoming a man, from a mirror to "face to face," and partly known to fully known. Now here is the point: Since we have the complete revelation of God, then we no longer need the "in part," that is, the miracles used to confirm the word. " The context of these verses does not imply any sort of miracles being the "in part". There is also no substantiation for, "...all having to do with revelation. The "perfect" or the mature, then must be the completed revelation of God. When God completed His revelation to man, the 'in part' would 'fail,' 'cease,' and 'vanish away.'" What this is, is just an interpretation of someone trying to figure out what it meant but not really understanding it completely. Don't worry, I know what it means and I will show you. ------------- I want to start out by mentioning the context of chapters 12,13, and 14 in I Corinthians. These are the three chapters outlining the manifestations of the your spirit. Talking about the manifestation of tongues, prophecy, tongues with interpretation, healing, miracles, believing, discernment of spirits, word of knowledge, and word of wisdom. Chapter 12 introduces and describes these to us so that we wouldn't be ignorant of them. Chapter 13 is talking about love. Because everything you do must be in love, if you try to work these manifestations without love you are doing it incorrectly. So just keep in mind that these three chapters are all about the manifestations of the spirit while I introduce more ideas. Now I want to specifically focus on some verses surrounding the one he used to try and substantiate his claim that miracles no longer happen. I Corinthians 13:9-12 9) For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10) But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11) When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12) For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. In order to make sense of what these 4 verses mean you have to focus on verse 12 first. I Corinthians 13:12 12) For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. What helps you to notice what the context of these verses are is the "face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as I am known." What this is talking about is knowing God face to face and once we get to heaven he will know even as he knows us. The two times the word "know" is used in verse 12, it's the Greek word, "genosko." That word means to know by experience. Like if you have painted all your life you genosko how to paint, etc. The word "known" in verse 12 is the Greek word "epigenosko" which means fully and precisely having all experiential knowledge. This epigenosko is used here to refer to God's knowledge of us right now. Luke 12:6-7 6) Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? 7) But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows. God is capable of knowing every single one of us on a personal level to an extent that is not even fathomable from any point of our human mind. To know billions and billions of people to the point where every hair on their head is numbered is something that we cannot do. Only our great God can pull it off. Ephesians 3:20 20) Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Is pretty obvious that God's abilities are much greater and higher than ours. There is also a verse that says God has made foolish the wisdom of the World. Paul talks about how he will know even as he is known. What that has to mean is that once he gets to heaven and he gets his new spiritual body he will be able to fully and precisely experientially know God like God knows him. So the context of these verse must be about when we get to heaven. I also want to focus on the "face to face" part. Because that's the greatest benefit of getting to heaven, to see our loving father, and creator face to face. Psalm 17:14-15 14) From men which are thy hand, O LORD, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes. 15) As for me, I will behold thy (God's) face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness. Matthew 5:8 8) Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. John 1:18a 18a) No man hath seen God at any time; I John 4:12 12) No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfect in us. This "face to face" must be refer to seeing God face to face in heaven. And when you put this together with the last part of verse 12 that says, "but then I shall know even as I am known." And you can see the two words "but" separate the time between the "in part" and how when we get to heaven we will know even as we are known. So this verse is talking about how now we know "in part" and later once we get to heaven we will epigenosko (fully and precisely experientially know) God like God knows us. Whew! That was a lot of stuff. Now lets tie this into some of the other verses of the 4 I mentioned. It starts to get a little confusing here so make sure you read and pay attention to what I am saying. This isn't something that gets talked about or taught often. Remember to always go to God and ask him to teach you and show you the truth. I Corinthians 13:9 states that now we know in part and prophesy in part. Now if you remember that the context of the three chapters, I Corinthians 12,13, and 14, is about the manifestations of the spirit. And when you tie this verse 9 into talking about the manifestations you will see that the nine manifestations of the spirit are what we know in part. In order to begin I have to go to a few verses in Ephesians. Ephesians 1:13-14 13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14) Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. This word earnest in verse 14 can be translated as "token." So the holy spirit is a token of our inheritance in heaven. Once we inherit our perfection and are with God in heaven for eternity, we no longer need the manifestations of the spirit. So right now we know in part with the token of our inheritance. But eventually we will be perfect in heaven and no longer need them. Verse 10 also supports this: I Corinthians 13:10 10) But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. Now we both know that there is nothing perfect is on Earth. This cannot mean the completed revelation of God because of the context of the verses and what I've already explained. But I will show you that "that which is perfect is come" is talking about our new spiritual bodies once we get to heaven. Philippians 3:20-21 20) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21) Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. Once we get to heaven we will have our new, perfect, glorious body. We will no longer need the nine manifestations of the spirit and we will fully and precisely experientially know God like he knows us. Verse 11 states how once we get to heaven we will be able to put away the nine manifestations (childish things compared to God's power for us in heaven). ----- That's it... that's what that section of scripture means. It really doesn't have anything to do with how miracles no longer happen. Teaching that principle based on those scriptures is erroneous and inaccurate. Miracles indeed still do happen. The problem is that most people do not believe that they do so they don't come to pass. You have to claim your sonship rights and stand on God's promises and expect them to happen. Once you do atleast one miracle a day is not uncommon. I know this is long and probably confusing, but it's the truth. Go to God and ask him to clarify for you and to help you understand. It's not me teaching this to you, but God. God Bless

TheBibleTRUTH -> RE: Question About Healing (7/13/2008 6:48:09 PM)
Tomb, I also want to point out that TV Evangelists like Benne Hinn are not truthful when they "slay to the spirit." There is no account in the Bible where people got knocked out on stage or anything of the sort. Anything that doesn't fall into the nine manifestations of the spirit in I Corinthians 12 are lies from Satan. The reason those people don't get delivered is because it's not God working through those TV Evangelists, it's the devil. His "power" is completely counterfeit. Just be glad you aren't wrapped up in that stuff. So I guess I should have clarified that the first two are incorrect. The last one is truthful, to an extent. Sorry!

Leadership -> RE: Question About Healing (7/30/2008 12:58:27 AM)
In God's plan of redemption, not only is there the remission of sin, Jesus also provided healing for our physical bodies. The Bible contains many scriptures that prove Jesus not only carried our sins on the cross, but our sicknesses as well. MATTHEW 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaisa the prophet, saying Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sickness. ISAIAH 53:4 Surrely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. 1 PETER 2:24 Who His own self bare our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sin, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. As you can see Matthew is quoting Isaiah saying "Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses." A more accurate translation of the word "griefs" and "sorrows" would have been "diseases" and "pain". So in the original Hebrew, this verse actually reads: "Surely He (Jesus) hath borne our diseases and carried our pains". In Isaiah 53 v. 10 reads: "Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief. God delighted to bruise Jesus and to make Him sick. Why? Because it meant healing of every sicknesses and diseases for all mankind! Jesus Christ bore our sins and paid the penalty that we might be free from sin. He also bore our diseases and carried our pains so that we would not have to bear them. So to say that healing is only Spiritual, you must not have read 2 CORINTHIANS 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old thing have passed away; behold, ALL things are become new. The human spirit of the lost man or woman is NOT healed it is reborn. Second Corinthians 5:17 says that once a person is in Christ Jesus, he becoms a new creature. Old things are passed away and all things become new. So First Peter 2:24 does Not refer to spiritual healing. There is no spiritual healing mentioned in the Bible, When you get healed you are just healed of a sickness or disease that afflicted your body. Now when God heals, He does heal physically, but it is throught the human spirit or the man's heart, where faith dwells. God heals people through their faith. And the Bible says that faith is of the heart, the human spirit. So divine healing is not mental as Christian Science, Unity, and other metaphysical teachers would have you to believe. Neither is it only physical as many in the medical world would claim. It is spiritual, BUT ONLY in the sense that it involves faith in the power of God as God's Word proclaims.

Leadership -> RE: Question About Healing (8/6/2008 3:11:38 AM)
This messaage is about earthless post #58 and #63 If we are not able to speak thing in to existence or confess things in line with the Bible, Than Nobody Is Saved... How then would anyone get into heaven? (1 John 1:9) If we CONFESS our sins, He (Jesus) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. And in (Heb.3:1) did Jesus know that He was called the High Priest of our CONFESSION, If we are not confessing anything in line with the Bible than Jesus Christ has NOTHING to be High Priest over in our lives. And Jesus did not say to think away your obstacle, hindrance, or insurmountable problem, HE said have Faith in God, knowing that whatever we ask or speak to our problems with the written word of God (mark 11:22-24) we will receive them. Between the time that we ask God for things in line with the word (Bible) for one of His many benefits provided for us, and the time that He grant that blessing to be manifested, We hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering:(for He is faithful that promised) (Heb 10:23) [:)]

earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (8/6/2008 8:14:33 AM)
Leadership, So a person that cannot speak (for a plethora of reasons) is not a Christian and can never be a Christian? Our hope is in the Lord, not in our own words, not even in our own faith (Psalm 33:20-22). Our faith comes from God in the first place (2 Peter 1:1), and is not something we create for ourselves.

earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (8/11/2008 9:58:16 AM)
I am still waiting for Leadership to respond.. but for those that agree with his beliefs, what say you?

deborlie -> RE: Question About Healing (8/12/2008 10:20:05 PM)
JESUS IS ALIVE AND WELL. He still performs Miracles daily, if we let Him. BUT WE MUST BELIEVE GOD! ............for our healing and all else. I am a recipient of healing! And let it be known on the onset, I did not do the healing, but I had to do my part. Satan was very powerful to induce much doubting. I am not any different from you in any way. I chose to go to God for my own healing. I didn't know if it was in His will, but I asked anyway. My healing was NOT instantaneous. It took years, litterally. That's what I want to tell you. I asked God for the healing, but the pain did not go away. Only in increments, it would lessen. I kept the faith inspite of how I was feeling. I KNEW GOD COULD, I knew I had asked, and I would not allow my pain to convince me otherwise. I had to repeat my conviction, over and over, often. I found my pain lessening as time went on. There were lulls where I began to feel very little pain, then it would flare up again. I HAD TO BELIEVE I WAS HEALED, and feeling the pain was just to cast doubt, I firmly stated even out loud I was healed by God's grace. I wouldn't listen to anything else. As time went on, the pain became less and less, the period without pain became longer and longer. I'd almost forget the battle, until another jab. The pain is now gone..........and has not returned. I am not in a wheelchair as was predicted! What I want to say is, there are many who have had God's healing in their grasp, but lost the faith, either from their own or someone else's doubting, and only for the illness to return. This is one type of healing, there are those that happen instantly. God has His own reasons There are more healings out there than we have given God credit for. We have to Believe God! With my own healing I became curious. There are not many books out there with information on the subject. of how to, or what to expect. Being surrounded by others who were suffering, I began experimental prayer for them. I found........... God also does what I call 'distant healing'.......... You can be an instrument............ I have witnessed this also. Praying healing prayers for another person who is unaware even, that you are doing so. (It is better, if the person is aware, so that he can claim his healing, and fight his own battle for it.) Otherwise, the healing may not be permenent. I found out later that my Spiritual gift is not in healing. That is someone else's relm. Perhaps, they would have a keener sense to be able to explain all of this a lot better. I believe God uses illness as a tool also. Sometimes not for the sake of the person that is ill, but to reach a person, or persons around them. The healing may not be intended for the person we expect. This does not make me an expert, in the very least.....It's just my experience. And, No, I know it was not Satan's healing. There is not much known on the subject that we can get a grasp on. But, if you read with a serious heart, there is much to be revealed in God's Book. Be willing to be an instrument! Believe! BJ

beachcooky -> RE: Question About Healing (8/13/2008 12:04:56 AM)
Both of my family members are sick with cancer. My grandmother and Uncle. It's been a long and hard year for this whole family. Until I found this scripture: "And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up." James 5:15 My uncle has recently been healed from the cancer. All his tumors vanished and we all praise God for doing this. But yet, my grandmother is still sick with cancer. I was frustrated with this whole thing, and I went to my mom discussing it with her. I asked her, "If God is capable of healing people, then why would He heal Uncle Kib and not Nana?" I am really thankful that my Uncle is healed, but that doesn't mean I don't want my Nana to be healed either! I don't want to think about my Nana dying, I'm like literally sitting her and crying and not seeing what I am writing. Healing comes in different forms. I mean, I know that God will be able to heal my nana, but I don't know if it's will or not. Of course I want it to be...and it might be. We don't full understand why God doesn't heal people...but we will find out sooner or later. I might not have offered you any good advice, but I want to let you know that I am going through this similar thing as well. And I know others will. Take care, and I hope you find some answers! :)

Leadership -> RE: Question About Healing (8/16/2008 10:03:13 PM)
deborlie post # 111 Here is a list of a few good books on healing: Healing the sick by: T.L. Osborn, Christ the Healer by: F.F. Bosworth, God's Word on Divine Healing by: Kenneth E. Hagin, The Healing Anointing by: Kenneth E. Hagin. Also here is a web. site to go to Moore Life Ministries; Keith Moore is founder and president of Faith Life Church, He taught healing school at RHEMA Bible Training Center. As you look at his web site click on the header marked word supply, look through the titles and pick out the ones on faith and healing download them for free and listen to them over and over until you have your full healing.

earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (8/18/2008 9:56:40 AM)
Kenneth Hagin is a false Word of Faith teacher. His teachings run contrary to the context of Scripture.

deborlie -> RE: Question About Healing (8/18/2008 9:10:02 PM)
Leadership and Earthless, Many thanks for your input. I hear the care and concern from both of you. The purpose of my note was to let people know not to be too hasty in giving up on their healing. Not to be too hasty to doubt. Yours or another's healing. If we loose the faith, we loose the healing. There are those who have had genuine healing until doubt canceled it out. Mine took years in the process, but some are instantious. All I know is, it is all according to God's will, either way, if there is a healing at all. Another thought to add, once you have been healed, you must fill the gap left with continual faith. So, as not to allow something else to fill it. You can read about healing, but how many do you hear from that has been healed.... and what it took to get there. Matthew 21:21 (talking about the fig tree) "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt,........... How many times does Jesus tell us this in His Word. IF YOU BELIEVE! He says we can move mountains. Do you beleive God? This is what He says! It sounds imposssible to us. Jesus tells us , with God, it is not impossible. Some are healed, some are not. Who knows the reason for this? There are many kinds of healing......... and of course we know that most of us will not experience the healing of our last illness, except through death it's self. BeachCookie, you have not gone unhead. Prayers for you. Prayer for God's peace that surpasses understanding. Healing does come in different forms. There is a right time and season for everything. You have a wonderful relationship with your people. This will carry you throough much in your life. Thanks for allowing me my soap box. In Christ, BJ

earthless -> RE: Question About Healing (8/29/2008 8:14:19 AM)
I am still wondering if that poster really believes that mutes can't be saved because they can't vocally speak "words of faith."

DaveW -> RE: Question About Healing (8/29/2008 9:24:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: earthless I am still wondering if that poster really believes that mutes can't be saved because they can't vocally speak "words of faith." Me too.

Leadership -> RE: Question About Healing (8/30/2008 12:15:43 AM)
Pastor: Earthless, as you hold the office of a pastor it is obvious that God has placed on your heart to help the mutes, or you would have not brought up these individuals. So then could you explain to me why you would not lay hands on them to pray the prayer of faith to see them healed. As stated in (James 5:14-15)Is any sick among you? Let him Call (e-mail, write, or contact) for the elders (Pastor) of the church; and let them pray over him. and the prayer of faith shall save the sick and the Lord shall raise him up. Then the mute would no longer be oppressed by the devil as stated in Act 10:38. And just think What a time of rejoicing before the Lord it would be a pastor being used as a tool to bring glory to Jesus, And the mute speaking joyous faith filled words of praise to Jesus the Great "SOZO". Pastor, would not this be fullfilling the great comission of setting the captive free?

Roberta_ -> RE: Question About Healing (8/30/2008 4:55:42 AM)
Would the mute person still be considered oppressed by satan if he didn't speak after praying and being prayed for?

deliveredarling -> RE: Question About Healing (8/30/2008 7:40:08 AM)
I found this, this morning, not even looking for it: Job 33:19 Man is also chastened with pain on his bed, and with unceasing complaint in his bones. It seems that God does use illness in His people for reproof and correction.

hellochurch -> RE: Question About Healing (8/30/2008 8:46:40 AM)
RE: The Healing Question, #1st, we need to look at the written record (bible) to discover God's will about it, Jesus said he Was the Father revealed to us,(When one of the disciples said, 'Show us the Father,' Jesus said, have I been with you all this time and you still don't see me, ?" or something similar, meaning Jesus did show the Father, ( humankind). So then, how Jesus proceeded with healing is indicating Gods will re healing, and Jesus always healed everyone who came to him and asked, he never replied, no, its not your time, or no, you have been sinning too much, or no, i dont think im finished with your sickness correction program that i have you in, yet, etc. (im not too sure how this colour thing works yet, did i turn it off?) anway that is showing God's will, every time someone asked , Jesus always said yes. I believe this is God's will. This written record shows us our Father's heart to always heal every sickness and disease, like it says in the psalms, "He fforgives all my sin and heals all my diseases" notice the order, first forgiving sin, then healing the sickness that sin may have brought into your life. Yes there is sickness and trouble and chastening of the Lord, while GOd has no sickness to put on people, ie, when Jesus laid hands on people what was in him came out on the people, ie. Jesus had no sickness in there to give out, a What I mean by this is that when He said, virtue had gone out of him, he turned to find out who it went out to, -he asked, "Who touched me?" the lady with the issue of blood had received his virtue. -- -- and same with the Father, He has no sickness to give to people, but there is built in to our system on earth , after the fall, trouble and sickness and sin attracts this, the enemy of our souls has plenty of the stealing killing and destroying that he can give you, so if you are in disobedience, Get out of it right away.! any chastening of the Lord can be fixed immediately by repentance and change, int he same minute, and repent doesnt mean you never do it again, it means you see its wrong and dont want to do it again, God will give you the power to overcome and and all sin when you ask and depend on Him to do it, just like a good parent, God would be remiss not to correct his children, however, the punishment of our sin is upon Jesus, and when we confess , we are not punished for sin, since Jesus took it, no matter how many times we miss it,' I have more to say on Word of Faith what they teach about healing... I will post again on this, since I noticed someone mentioned them early on in the first page or so......

hellochurch -> RE: Question About Healing (8/30/2008 9:02:00 AM)
re: using one scripture by itself to answer something, I think this can lead into problems and errors, for example, the Word of God says, "the sum of Thy Words is truth" this means that often you may have even contradictory things being said by the bible, in diff. places, but you must add them all up to come to the proper conclusion. because if you don't you will be wrong. There are statements made in the bible that in and of themselves do not reveal the truth of God, ie. when someone is speaking and they are quoted and recorded in the bible, they are stating their opinion, ie. in the new testament, when people around the cross were quoted saying neg. things about Jesus, ie. physician heal thyself, and - God has forsaken him, he sinned the unforgiveable sin, (They actually thought that Jesus had committed blasphemy against God, when he called himself God's son, and said, 'I am' etc., so they believed that God was putting him to death for it, many of them, anyway, I researched into this in the historical studies) so to quote what was being said about Jesus in this regard would be in error same with ecclesiastes, what is said there, when the writer was flabbergasted by everything,..etc. is not necessarily the truth of God. same with Job, many said things until God came on the scene and told them most of what they had said was all wrong and sin, so that they needed a sacrifice to cover it, and Job was supposed to make one for them....because what they had said about God was not true, and some things about Job were untrue

hellochurch -> RE: Question About Healing (8/30/2008 9:30:23 AM)
to reply on the posts just above mine, on what is being discussed, I am not a Word of Faith-er, myself, however, I have listened to one teacher on tv who I think others say is one, and I have checked out what they had to say with the bible and found it true to bible text, absolutely, on the topics they were preaching about. I do not put separations between myself and other groups if what they say are bible truths, I go by the bible not the Tag that others have put on the Box that they are put in, ie. Word of Faith group is OUT and Hagin is OUT, - this is not true bible research, I prefer to examine points and texts and discuss what they mean, ie. Word of Faith people believe in healing all the time, that it is GOd's will for everyone to be healed, I agree with this, from what I find in scripture, the only reason for not healing from Gods' pov is if someone is living in sin and unrepented,or has not forgiven others, and or is not walking in love themselves, etc. there are qualifiers, and IF SOMEONE IS NOT HEALED, THIS DOES NOT MEAN GOD IS UNWILLING TO HEAL THEM. Not at all It may mean there is somethingin the way in the persons' life they have to correct, ie. forgiving others, or walking in love, as christians, they may have been saying wrong things about their health for years and believe their own words, ie some people have said they will die young or die from this or that or this or that is killing them for so long, that when the time comes for them to receive healing, they are instead believing their own ugly words that they are being killed by this or that disease. Faith is something that needs to be understood. Faith is not what the general jo-christian thinks it is,. Having more or less faith is not the issue, it is having real faith, and most christians dont, not the kind of the faith that the bible talks about that needs to be exercised for miracles etc. or even for constant answers to prayers, etc. ie faith and no doubt or they will not receive anything from God, from James , this is not because God is a meanie, it is because anything short of faith will not get results of the answer. God needs faith because He set up the system that requires faith, He needs faith to work on, in your situation, if you are not moving in faith, you cannot receive, its that simple, not because God is witholding, its because only faith can get the result, nothing else can, not need, not pain, not suffering, not anything but 'faith'. This is not Word of Faith doctrine, this is bible doctrine outlined many diff. places in scripture.

hellochurch -> RE: Question About Healing (8/30/2008 9:32:53 AM)
Its Word of God doctrine.

hellochurch -> RE: Question About Healing (8/30/2008 9:47:06 AM)
God set up His whole system to run on Faith, and it is His rules, that the system operates by. He decided everything must run on faith so if someone comes along and doesn't use faith, its like us going to another country and they requiring us to use 'yen' for money, if we pulled out peanuts instead to pay for something, we would not be able to buy what we wanted. They wouldnt be mean, or refusing us the item, we would just be out of order because we did not follow their rules. Same with God, its His system, the Kingdom of God, and it runs on Faith, and if we use hoping or desperation, or pain or even good works or whatever, we will not obtain what we are asking for because the sign says use Faith to obtain. It is our fault if we dont use faith. We are in the wrong, not God. Just like the guy who offered the fruit of the ground as a sacrifice when God required blood from an animal that had been slain, God replied, 'If you do what I have asked you will receive my favour or blessing.' In other words, obey, just likethose that fell in the wilderness, why? because God was mean? - No! He wanted them to go in, but the did not mix with faith God's Words, and they did not act on what God said, so they could not go in, only two of them believed and acted in F A I T H .! (this is not Word of Faith doctrine, it is BIBLE WORD OF GOD doctrine, I am describing here) Their carcasses fell in the wilderness and God was grieved with them for forty years! (see the word God used, carcasses, - carcasses are what beasts have) - anyway, God wanted them to go in to where? The PROMISED LAND! HOW? BY Faith (real faith though) and why didnt they? because of U N B E L I E F . everything in the kingdom of God which we are in now, and which is in us now, works on faith, it is the currency of the kingdom of God. by hellochurch, a non-Word of Faith-er.![:D]

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