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PHmosh1 -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/13/2008 7:38:42 AM)

You are all wrong!

You've got to ask yourself, What Would Jesus Listen To? And that would be... Hotel California. That is the greatest rock song of all time! [;)]



freakofnature -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/13/2008 8:47:00 AM)

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PHmosh1
Regular Member
You are all wrong!

You've got to ask yourself, What Would Jesus Listen To? And that would be... Hotel California. That is the greatest rock song of all time!


Alright Alright! Now we are getting into some serious sprititual issues here. First "Stairway to Heaven" and now "Hotel California." I need to go pray...



mapachito13 -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/13/2008 9:22:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PHmosh1

You are all wrong!

You've got to ask yourself, What Would Jesus Listen To? And that would be... Hotel California. That is the greatest rock song of all time! [;)]


Hey any song that's about CA gets my vote! The greatest and most maligned state in the US (or is West Virginia the most maligned [:D])!



humbleinspirit -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/14/2008 11:01:27 AM)

No one really knows what the song is about, the band even said that it was more about their touring life and not about what people say it is about.



nuclear_sidewalk -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/15/2008 10:37:15 PM)

Zeppelin has way better songs than Stairway, so I don't know why it's so popular. A coworker told me it was a popular make-out song at the time. Who knows.

I can name at least five or six Zeppelin songs that I'd rather hear. D'Yer'Maker... or however it's spelled, Misty Mountain Hop, The Ocean, Fool in the Rain, Black Dog, Whole Lotta Love.... NOT Rock & Roll, since Cadillac played the poo out of it for years in their ad campaigns. [:'(]



Rufas2000 -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/16/2008 10:21:42 AM)

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Zeppelin has way better songs than Stairway, so I don't know why it's so popular.


Apparently others disagree. [:)] I think it became so popular because it had that slow build. Hard rockers were still somewhat dismissed in the early 70s. Stairway was proof to the uninitiated that Zeppelin could do a multifacted work. Fans that knew of Zeppelin beyond the radio hits already knew that. In particular "Immigrant Song" (the U.S. single from Zeppelin 3) is a very misleading indicator on what the rest of Zeppelin 3 is like.

Its amazing to consider now but an 8 minute "mini epic" that starts very mellow and slowly builds to a crescendo was mainstream (at least FM radio mainstream) in the early 70s. Its still the most well known song among fans that state "Yeah I liked some of his songs". [8|] IOW: the non-fans.

However I too prefer several Zeppelin songs over Stairway. My list is totally different. Yours leaned toward straight out rockers where as mine focuses on the mellower or multifacted ones (mostly). I'd go with "Achilles Last Stand" as my favorite. Other favs would include "Kashmir", "No Quarter", "Since I've Been Loving You", "Over the Hills and Far Away" and "Immigrant Song" (cue up "one of these isn't like the others, one of these just doesn't belong").

BTW: very close on "D'yer Ma'ker". Only my extensive training in music geek fu (as opposed to something important)allowed me to know that.



mapachito13 -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/16/2008 10:40:08 AM)

My favorite Zep song was Kashmir although my favorite album was "Precense". That album had a groove in it from "Achilles last stand" to "Tea for one". My favorite song on that album was "For Your Life".



uncabeeil -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/16/2008 10:46:01 AM)

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"Over the Hills and Far Away"
My favorite Jimmy Page acoustic work. The live version of No Quarter from The Song Remains the Same is a much better example of the slow build to a crescendo.



markb77 -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/16/2008 7:13:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

The live version of No Quarter from The Song Remains the Same is a much better example of the slow build to a crescendo.


This is the correct answer.



nuclear_sidewalk -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/16/2008 8:34:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rufas2000
However I too prefer several Zeppelin songs over Stairway. My list is totally different. Yours leaned toward straight out rockers where as mine focuses on the mellower or multifacted ones (mostly). I'd go with "Achilles Last Stand" as my favorite. Other favs would include "Kashmir", "No Quarter", "Since I've Been Loving You", "Over the Hills and Far Away" and "Immigrant Song" (cue up "one of these isn't like the others, one of these just doesn't belong").


For some reason, I can't get into Kashmir, but I like the other ones you listed. Also, stuff like I Can't Quit You has a great bluesy flavor. Going to California is always worth a listen. There are so many, really. Houses of the Holy, When the Levee Breaks...

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BTW: very close on "D'yer Ma'ker". Only my extensive training in music geek fu (as opposed to something important)allowed me to know that.

Ah, at least I wasn't too far off. It's always funny when clueless DJs pronounce it "Dye-err-make-err".



Rufas2000 -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/16/2008 10:18:14 PM)

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The live version of No Quarter from The Song Remains the Same is a much better example of the slow build to a crescendo.


Too bad by 1976 (when it was "officially" released) not as many people were fans of Zeppelin. And that's a bigger factor in why Stairway has its mythic status than any musical merits.



Terath -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/16/2008 10:38:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PHmosh1

You are all wrong!

You've got to ask yourself, What Would Jesus Listen To? And that would be... Hotel California. That is the greatest rock song of all time! [;)]

No, I think God listens to harder fare.
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Lady_Bear -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/17/2008 3:59:56 PM)

[sm=heart.gif] The song ... why because it was the song to my SENIOR PROM ... many years ago !! So, I have always enjoyed it !!!!



Digrieze -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/19/2008 12:05:05 AM)

Well, let's see here, speaking as someone who's been PLAYING it since the '70s I would say that STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN is right up there with BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY in difficulty (and beauty, when you can pull it off).

Various transcriptions of various performances go from an easy 10 to a more accurate 23 chords (not counting Jimmy Pages' solos). Techniques required include informed use of triplets and false harmonics, bends, prebends and drops, hammer ons, pull offs and a few more esoteric forms of left hand vibrato (whammy bars need not apply).

If you can play this you've got the chops for anything else, if not, please keep it to yourself. Live play does also require some rather hard to find (and expensive) gear, not only the double neck Gibson SG varient Page made famous but also the ability to play an acoustic along with it.

When my son wanted to learn how to REALLY play his guitar this was the one I had him work through (he hated me at first for it), afterwards he never went back to that Curt Cobain junk, he was spoiled.

Oh, and if you believe the publishing houses it's also the best selling sheet music of all time (I think everyone who picked up a plectrum has tried this one).

If you don't think it's a masterpiece, just try analyzing it and breaking it down to learn it, you'll change your mind quickly.

But if you want to add a third to a good student you could also fit in MORE THAN A FEELING by Boston (wonderful acoustic lead).



Roberta_ -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/19/2008 12:23:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Digrieze

Well, let's see here, speaking as someone who's been PLAYING it since the '70s I would say that STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN is right up there with BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY in difficulty (and beauty, when you can pull it off).


My dd's 8th grade choir did Bohemian Rhapsody and Carol of the Bells in a contest and they took gold!

Personally, most of the songs mentioned in this thread are songs that I didn't care much for. Then again, even though I liked rock, I Was Country When Country Wasn't Cool.



bluethunder -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/21/2008 12:16:53 AM)

All the reasons for or against STH being the greatest rock song ever are all good opinions. The reason it's called the "greatest" is because for about 25-30 years it was the most requested rock song to radio stations. And when that many people want to hear you, you get the title, "Greatest Rock Song"



humbleinspirit -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/21/2008 9:03:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rufas2000

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Zeppelin has way better songs than Stairway, so I don't know why it's so popular.


Apparently others disagree. [:)] I think it became so popular because it had that slow build. Hard rockers were still somewhat dismissed in the early 70s. Stairway was proof to the uninitiated that Zeppelin could do a multifacted work. Fans that knew of Zeppelin beyond the radio hits already knew that. In particular "Immigrant Song" (the U.S. single from Zeppelin 3) is a very misleading indicator on what the rest of Zeppelin 3 is like.

Its amazing to consider now but an 8 minute "mini epic" that starts very mellow and slowly builds to a crescendo was mainstream (at least FM radio mainstream) in the early 70s. Its still the most well known song among fans that state "Yeah I liked some of his songs". [8|] IOW: the non-fans.



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ORIGINAL: Digrieze

Well, let's see here, speaking as someone who's been PLAYING it since the '70s I would say that STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN is right up there with BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY in difficulty (and beauty, when you can pull it off).

Various transcriptions of various performances go from an easy 10 to a more accurate 23 chords (not counting Jimmy Pages' solos). Techniques required include informed use of triplets and false harmonics, bends, prebends and drops, hammer ons, pull offs and a few more esoteric forms of left hand vibrato (whammy bars need not apply).

If you can play this you've got the chops for anything else, if not, please keep it to yourself. Live play does also require some rather hard to find (and expensive) gear, not only the double neck Gibson SG varient Page made famous but also the ability to play an acoustic along with it.

When my son wanted to learn how to REALLY play his guitar this was the one I had him work through (he hated me at first for it), afterwards he never went back to that Curt Cobain junk, he was spoiled.

Oh, and if you believe the publishing houses it's also the best selling sheet music of all time (I think everyone who picked up a plectrum has tried this one).

If you don't think it's a masterpiece, just try analyzing it and breaking it down to learn it, you'll change your mind quickly.

But if you want to add a third to a good student you could also fit in MORE THAN A FEELING by Boston (wonderful acoustic lead).


WOW, I never thought about it that way before. Those are very good points!



uncabeeil -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/23/2008 9:17:02 AM)

Actually, I'm not saying it isn't a great song, just questioning whether it's the greatest. And of course, that's about as subjective as it gets.



mapachito13 -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/24/2008 8:04:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

Actually, I'm not saying it isn't a great song, just questioning whether it's the greatest. And of course, that's about as subjective as it gets.


But it's only my opinion that counts! There's no room for second opinion![:D]



Rufas2000 -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/24/2008 8:53:42 AM)

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The reason it's called the "greatest" is because for about 25-30 years it was the most requested rock song to radio stations.


Now there is no need to request it. If you want to hear it just tune in to your local classic rock station and wait 10 minutes or so.



DethWolf -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/25/2008 12:45:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rlj

The fact that this is still a relevant discussion over 20 years after I first heard the song and the hype around it probably means something to. ; )

You take arguably the most influential rock band ever, the best song off of their arguably best album, a song that's been covered to death, played to death etc. you probably have the recipe for something special.

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Pit "Stairway" against "Enter Sandman," "Sad but True" or even "The Unforgiven"


I can't see the contest putting Stairway up against something produced by Bob Rock. Perhaps something by New Kids on the Block or Cinderella but not Led Zepplin. Compare Stairway to say Puppets and that is enough to make me think.


Ok, the Black Album wasn't as good as Kill, Puppets, Ride, or Justice, but it was still heavier that anything they've done since then. Why does everyone rip on the Black Album?! Cos of the production? Wow, great argument. Any one track on there could easily eat Stairway for breakfast. BTW, anybody hear anything from Death Magnetic? I heard a clip of one of the songs. It's sounding gooood :D -



Heavendweller -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/25/2008 1:54:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PHmosh1

You are all wrong!

You've got to ask yourself, What Would Jesus Listen To? And that would be... Hotel California. That is the greatest rock song of all time! [;)]

Now that is hilarious! At the end of the first page, I wondered if anyone was going to mention Hotel California, cuz if not, I intended to.

But laying all joking and light-hearted banter aside, what does it all really matter in the end? "Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!" II Peter 3:11-12

I know, I know, don't be so "legalistic" some might say. Well, rock music has its place, I suppose. But in the whole scheme of things as to what really matters and is important as regards eternity, well...one can just place rock music on the ash heap. Rock music along with the culture it has spawned has had very little positive effect. One cannot, however, disregard all the debauchery that has surrounded this culture.

As far as Stairway to Heaven is concerned, I would venture to say that the lyrics were instrumental in its popularity. I knew of many who ascribed deep spiritual meaning to its conception. And regardless of the world view one embraced, STH appealed to many because its message was so versatile.

Heavendweller



mapachito13 -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/25/2008 3:18:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Heavendweller

But in the whole scheme of things as to what really matters and is important as regards eternity, well...one can just place rock music on the ash heap. Rock music along with the culture it has spawned has had very little positive effect. One cannot, however, disregard all the debauchery that has surrounded this culture.



Very little positive effect? If you just look at the bad side of something, even Christianity, we could make that argument stick. IMO, the rock n roll glass is half full! [;)]



Heavendweller -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/25/2008 5:55:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Heavendweller
But in the whole scheme of things as to what really matters and is important as regards eternity, well...one can just place rock music on the ash heap. Rock music along with the culture it has spawned has had very little positive effect. One cannot, however, disregard all the debauchery that has surrounded this culture.



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mapachito13:
Very little positive effect? If you just look at the bad side of something, even Christianity, we could make that argument stick. IMO, the rock n roll glass is half full! [;)]

"Christianity" is quite different from the Living God. Whoever encounters the Creator of the universe, and comes into a relationship with Christ, who is the Incarnate Word of God, will never be the same. He/she will be so transformed that they will be able to proclaim with Peter, "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God!" There is NO bad side to knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. There is NO bad side to being filled with the Holy Spirit of God, and being infused with His life. When we are filled with this very life of God, all other things pale in comparison. So much so that we can again say with Peter, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God."
Nope, ain't no bad side to that whatsoever! Praise God!

Heavendweller



mapachito13 -> RE: Stairway To Heaven (6/26/2008 12:01:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Heavendweller

"Christianity" is quite different from the Living God. Whoever encounters the Creator of the universe, and comes into a relationship with Christ, who is the Incarnate Word of God, will never be the same. He/she will be so transformed that they will be able to proclaim with Peter, "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God!" There is NO bad side to knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. There is NO bad side to being filled with the Holy Spirit of God, and being infused with His life. When we are filled with this very life of God, all other things pale in comparison. So much so that we can again say with Peter, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God."
Nope, ain't no bad side to that whatsoever! Praise God!

Heavendweller


So no one has come and done evil "in the name of Christ" or acting as a minister for His Church? Interesting view on church history.

Jesus' teachings are the only perfection you'll find in this fallen world. Unfortunately, for the world, how some interpret them are far from it.



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