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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/22/2008 10:16:40 PM
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HisFish
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I agree with cheeky_monkey and the others. Just because we're gathering for corporate worship doesn't mean it's the only time we present ourselves before God. And if we must present ourselves before God in our best duds, we should be consistent and do that ALL the time we present ourselves before God.
So much for 1 Timothy 2:9. 
Question. Are there any styles of clothing you would not wear to church, and if there are why not?. If its only a matter of heart attitude your answer would have to be no, is that a correct assumption?
I would not wear immodest clothing to church. I don't wear immodest clothing in public, period.
Note that I haven't said that I go casual (jeans, etc.) to church. The o-presponse you quoted said that I don't go to church dressed a certain way because I'm somehow presenting myself before God. There may be other reasons I dress the way I do, but it's not because I only meet with God one day a week and must dress my best because of that.
And that is a great answer. Modesty, just as the bible prescribes, and that is the word i was searching for. Everybody is assuming im talking about Armani silk suits and Dior gowns. When i say dress nice for church, im talking about clothes that present you well, and ill say it yet again, my complaint is against the beachwear and jogging attire that look slovenly.
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Nothing in your post led me to believe you were searching for the word modesty. You don't have to be dressed up to be modest. To be modest you have to be covered and not wearing clothes that draw attention to your figure. I dress in what most people consider casual clothes all the time, but nothing I own is immodest.
Then review all of my posts, i have certainly made more than one. The one i do recall you taking issue with is my term of "dressing nice", which you claimed is a pagan notion by the way. Did you really invision i meant ballroom attire as what i meant as "nice". what is your definition of that word?, nothing opulent im sure.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/22/2008 11:05:36 PM
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Honestly, HisFish, I hadn't thought you meant modesty either (sorry for that assumption). You mention things like flip-flops, but I don't understand where they wouldn't fall into a definition of modesty.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/modesty
1. the quality of being modest; freedom from vanity, boastfulness, etc.
2. regard for decency of behavior, speech, dress, etc.
3. simplicity; moderation.
I think that things like flip-flops would by far fit into a definition of modesty. They aren't showing vanity or boastfulness. I personally don't see how it wouldn't be in regard to decency of dress. And what is more simple than flip-flops?
The only thing I feel would come into question with that would be what is considered "decency"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/decency
1. the state or quality of being decent.
2. conformity to the recognized standard of propriety, good taste, modesty, etc.
With this definition it would be my personal assumption that anything that is recognized in one's own church as being OK to wear would fit in as a "recognized standard of good taste." And in my church, our pastor wears flip-flops every Sunday.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/22/2008 11:21:31 PM
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I agree with cheeky_monkey and the others. Just because we're gathering for corporate worship doesn't mean it's the only time we present ourselves before God. And if we must present ourselves before God in our best duds, we should be consistent and do that ALL the time we present ourselves before God.
So much for 1 Timothy 2:9.
Question. Are there any styles of clothing you would not wear to church, and if there are why not?. If its only a matter of heart attitude your answer would have to be no, is that a correct assumption?
I would not wear immodest clothing to church. I don't wear immodest clothing in public, period.
Note that I haven't said that I go casual (jeans, etc.) to church. The o-presponse you quoted said that I don't go to church dressed a certain way because I'm somehow presenting myself before God. There may be other reasons I dress the way I do, but it's not because I only meet with God one day a week and must dress my best because of that.
And that is a great answer. Modesty, just as the bible prescribes, and that is the word i was searching for. Everybody is assuming im talking about Armani silk suits and Dior gowns. When i say dress nice for church, im talking about clothes that present you well, and ill say it yet again, my complaint is against the beachwear and jogging attire that look slovenly.
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Nothing in your post led me to believe you were searching for the word modesty. You don't have to be dressed up to be modest. To be modest you have to be covered and not wearing clothes that draw attention to your figure. I dress in what most people consider casual clothes all the time, but nothing I own is immodest.
Then review all of my posts, i have certainly made more than one. The one i do recall you taking issue with is my term of "dressing nice", which you claimed is a pagan notion by the way. Did you really invision i meant ballroom attire as what i meant as "nice". what is your definition of that word?, nothing opulent im sure.
Just out of curiosity, do you intentionally misquote people with the intention of trying to make them look stupid? Seriously. I never said dressing nice has pagan origins. That's ridiculous. Go back and re-read what I wrote. I specifically said "dressing up for Sunday morning worship has pagan origins." Do you understand the difference? Seriously, answer the question that way you'll have no reason to accuse me of saying something I didn't say again.
What is YOUR definition of dressing nice? I don't consider dressing up in a ball gown to be merely "dressing nice." Please. What most people around here would consider as "dressing nice" would be to wear a pretty skirt with a matching blouse. Dressing casual could be jeans and a t-shirt or sweater. Many people wouldn't consider dressing in jeans and a sweater to be dressing their best, but there's nothing unbiblical about it and it's all a matter of opinion what is considered dressing nicely and what isn't. I like the way I dress. In my opinion, it looks nice. In your opinion, I probably look like a bum from the streets.
To be fair, I went back and re-read all of your posts. The only thing I saw mentioned that has anything to do with modesty versus immodesty is your statement about the trend of people showing up to worship dressed in beachwear. I don't know where you live, but I've certainly never seen anyone in church in a bathing suit or anything I would consider beachwear of any type. If you're referring to flip-flops, I've got news for you. They're no longer beachwear. They come in all different styles now and can be worn with pretty much anything.
And just in case you've forgotten already, there's a question I bolded for you in the first paragraph. It should be easy for you to find.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/22/2008 11:52:32 PM
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cheeky_monkey
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Just out of curiosity, do you intentionally misquote people with the intention of trying to make them look stupid? Seriously. I never said dressing nice has pagan origins.
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I highly recommend the book "Pagan Christianity." We already know that many of our Sunday morning practices have pagan origins, but did you know that dressing up for Sunday morning worship also has pagan origins?
Misquote?. your own words tell the tale. Save the righteous indignation.
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The one i do recall you taking issue with is my term of "dressing nice", which you claimed is a pagan notion by the way.
Let me do you a favor. These two bolded statements that follow are your words. Look closely.
And im quite sure that eating three meals a day has pagan origins as well. For the love of God, dressing nice is of "pagan origin"? Im not sure how to counter such silliness. Im speechless.....
The one i do recall you taking issue with is my term of "dressing nice", which you claimed is a pagan notion by the way.
And this one is mine. Again, read closely and compare it to what you've now misquoted TWICE.
I highly recommend the book "Pagan Christianity." We already know that many of our Sunday morning practices have pagan origins, but did you know that dressing up for Sunday morning worship also has pagan origins?
Can you please just do the honest thing and admit that you misquoted me TWICE?
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/22/2008 11:54:55 PM
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A distinction without a dimes worth of difference.
Perhaps not in your eyes, but cheeky_monkey clearly sees a significant difference between the two. Perhaps you could ask them to explain why they see such a distinction between dressing nice, and dressing nice on Sunday mornings? That might be more productive to the discussion than dismissing the difference off-hand.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/22/2008 11:55:38 PM
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I specifically said "dressing up for Sunday morning worship has pagan origins." Do you understand the difference
A distinction without a dimes worth of difference.
Now you're just being difficult. There's a distinct difference in those two statements, and you know it. Please give me a detailed explanation as to how those two statements basically mean the same thing? "Dressing up" and the tradition of dressing up for a specific event are two different things.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/22/2008 11:58:33 PM
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I specifically said "dressing up for Sunday morning worship has pagan origins." Do you understand the difference
A distinction without a dimes worth of difference.
Now you're just being difficult. There's a distinct difference in those two statements, and you know it. Please give me a detailed explanation as to how those two statements basically mean the same thing? "Dressing up" and the tradition of dressing up for a specific event are two different things.
Yeah, there IS a difference between those two statements, and it matters.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 12:55:06 AM
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 1:54:01 AM
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And that is a great answer. Modesty, just as the bible prescribes, and that is the word i was searching for. Everybody is assuming im talking about Armani silk suits and Dior gowns. When i say dress nice for church, im talking about clothes that present you well, and ill say it yet again, my complaint is against the beachwear and jogging attire that look slovenly.
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I seriously doubt if anyone on this thread envisioned Dior gowns and Armani silk suits when they thought of the term "dress nice".
Since you seem to think that, why don't you tell us what you mean by the term "dress nice". Please do not use negative comments such as not jogging attire or beach wear but what you mean dressing nice actually means.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 5:44:14 AM
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Now this I agree with. I was always taught to "wear the best that you have" when you go to the Lord's house. No one would ever consider having dinner with the President of the USA dressed in jeans and a tee shirt. Why would one show up to be Spiritually fed in that type of attire? If that is all you have, I can understand -- its more important to just come. IMO.
Comments like this literally make me want to scream!
First of all, if the president of the USA was my father and I was meeting him for a family dinner, I would most certainly dress in jeans and t-shirt if that was my usual manner of dress.
Secondly, the church building is in no way, shape or form "the Lord's house"! To say so is very unscriptural. The Lord does not dwell in a building made by human hands. He lives in his people! He is with us always. There comes a time, indeed it has already come where we will no longer go to Jerusalem or to a particular mountain to worship God, but we will worship in spirit and in truth.
Worship is not something you do when you go to church. It is something you should always be doing. It is how you live you life, turning your heart toward God in everything you do.
I don't go to "worship services". I worship God through my life daily. I meet with other believers to encourage each other, to teach each other, etc. No where in the NT does it speak of "corporate worship services". It tells us to come together to encourage one another, not for a worship service. But I guess that is getting off the subject.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 6:59:24 AM
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First of all, if the president of the USA was my father and I was meeting him for a family dinner, I would most certainly dress in jeans and t-shirt if that was my usual manner of dress.
Ha, you know I had never even thought of what was said in that way!
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 7:26:22 AM
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at my church, in summer, I usually wear shorts/tee shirt/sandals, and that is exactly what pastor Jim usually wears.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 9:12:39 AM
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I am afriad if I had the money I would buy a ton of cool suits and diamond watches and 300 dollar hair cuts and have that blonde trophy wife and...
yeah, right.
not that there's anything wrong with dressing like that on Sunday morning.....MANY MANY people at our church do, as it is their "typical" style of dress.....we live in, and our church is located in, a very affluent area.....to them they're just "normal" clothes, with no one really trying to impress anyone....it's just the way the dress for work M-F (which is how I dress for church, as well....whatever I typically wear to the office M-F)
If there is one thing about clothes at church that DOES kind of bug me just a little: It's not unusual for teenagers of millionaires come to church in totally wrinkled cargo shorts, shirts that look like they came from the dirty clothes hamper and flip flops. I wouldn't TELL them that they "NEED" to "dress better", but it just bugs me just a little.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 11:20:09 AM
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Oh yeah I go to an affluent church as well. Most "dress down" I guess, though they don't realize that wearing 200 dollar geans and 500 dollar sunglasses ain't really dressing down.
We have a very diverse membership from the little old ladies to the young, pierced, tattooed spiked hair praise and worship participent. Bald men to long hairs. CEO's to the blue collar. Muslim to christian. American to...whatever nationality there is. Saved and unsaved.
I think you can see any manner of dress in our church. Other than modesty, its not important.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 11:22:29 AM
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You have muslims who are members?
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 11:26:47 AM
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I don't know if they are members. They do come however. Its muslim women from what I have heard. The men are caught too much into their traditions to come but they do allow their wives to come.
Wether or not they convert...I have no idea. However, a pastor was asked to "officiate" in a funeral service for a muslim. He tells the story he was a little nervous to close his prayer in the name iof Jesus, but did so...only to hear them say, amen.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 11:44:35 AM
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If my respect for the Lord was dependent upon my attire, then I would wholeheartedly agree with HisFish.
Other than dressing modestly on an everyday basis, my respect for the God of the Universe is not limited or reliant upon my choice of clothing.
Neither is my respect for myself, government officials, my parents, etc. based on anything as completely meaningless as my outfit.
It is a matter of my heart, my mind and my actions which demonstrate the respect I have.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 11:46:51 AM
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I am afriad if I had the money I would buy a ton of cool suits and diamond watches and 300 dollar hair cuts and have that blonde trophy wife and...
...not that there's anything wrong with dressing like that on Sunday morning.....MANY MANY people at our church do, as it is their "typical" style of dress.....we live in, and our church is located in, a very affluent area.....
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I guess, though they don't realize that wearing 200 dollar geans and 500 dollar sunglasses ain't really dressing down.
Wonder what Jesus thinks of spending so much money on outward appearance, when so many are lacking in basic neccesities?
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 12:21:49 PM
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I am afriad if I had the money I would buy a ton of cool suits and diamond watches and 300 dollar hair cuts and have that blonde trophy wife and...
...not that there's anything wrong with dressing like that on Sunday morning.....MANY MANY people at our church do, as it is their "typical" style of dress.....we live in, and our church is located in, a very affluent area.....
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I guess, though they don't realize that wearing 200 dollar geans and 500 dollar sunglasses ain't really dressing down.
Wonder what Jesus thinks of spending so much money on outward appearance, when so many are lacking in basic neccesities?
it's all relative.
Of the people that I know that spend a few hundred on a pair of jeans, those very same donate thousands to missions (and sometimes personally go on a few trips, at their expense).....and, will be the first to slip you a $100 bill, or more, when you're unemployed and can really use the money (had that happen to me CONSTANTLY 5 years ago when i was unemployed)....
sure...they spend alot on clothes, cars and such....but, proportionally....no more than anyone else does....
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 12:39:46 PM
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Thank you, HisFish, for echoing my thoughts at the beginning of this thread. It's just a matter of respect for those of us who do own something besides flip-flops and jeans.
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If you were asked to meet with the president at some whitehouse function you would dress to the nines, but for God you give him flip-flops, jeans and hawaiian shirts. Ya, thats class, way to go church. Please dont answer me about God only caring about whats on the inside, do you put as much thought about how you dress going to church as you do going to 7-11. Too many "christians" these days give The Creator of everything no more respect than they do to the clerk behind the counter. Giving God our best dosent make us better or more spiritual, it's just a matter of respect. If you dont own, or cant afford a suit and tie, or nice dress im not down on those who dont, but give him the best you have.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 12:51:10 PM
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If you were asked to meet with the president at some whitehouse function you would dress to the nines, but for God you give him flip-flops, jeans and hawaiian shirts. Ya, thats class, way to go church. Please dont answer me about God only caring about whats on the inside, do you put as much thought about how you dress going to church as you do going to 7-11. Too many "christians" these days give The Creator of everything no more respect than they do to the clerk behind the counter. Giving God our best dosent make us better or more spiritual, it's just a matter of respect. If you dont own, or cant afford a suit and tie, or nice dress im not down on those who dont, but give him the best you have.
I own a suit and tie, but the notion that being dress as if I should be in a casket isn't my idea of giving my best to the Master, especially if it makes some poor soul inhibited from attending church with the uppity people.
I confess that I wore a tie to Sunday mornings most of my 56 years but it finally sunk in that I went Sunday evenings, Wednesdays, and other special occasions in casual clothes without any feeling of disrespect.
If a coat and tie means showing respect, then you should never, ever set foot in church without being dressed to the nines - even if it it's to vacuum the carpet. Otherwise, the whole claim is faulty.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 12:51:12 PM
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Thank you, HisFish, for echoing my thoughts at the beginning of this thread. It's just a matter of respect for those of us who do own something besides flip-flops and jeans.
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If you were asked to meet with the president at some whitehouse function you would dress to the nines, but for God you give him flip-flops, jeans and hawaiian shirts. Ya, thats class, way to go church. Please dont answer me about God only caring about whats on the inside, do you put as much thought about how you dress going to church as you do going to 7-11. Too many "christians" these days give The Creator of everything no more respect than they do to the clerk behind the counter. Giving God our best dosent make us better or more spiritual, it's just a matter of respect. If you dont own, or cant afford a suit and tie, or nice dress im not down on those who dont, but give him the best you have.
then, again....giving "our best" also brings criticism from "the other side" of the discussion:
SusieD, this morning said:
Wonder what Jesus thinks of spending so much money on outward appearance, when so many are lacking in basic neccesities?
so, do I go to church wearing my "BEST" (and get criticized for doing so...and spending so much money on "outward appearance")......even though it's my usual "office apparel" that I wear 5 days a week....
OR, do I go in much more "casual wear" (and get criticized for doing so....as I can afford much more than "shorts & Flip flops", and want to show respect for where I am at....)
as with many other things regarding church....either way, you're not going to please everyone.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 12:55:25 PM
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especially if it makes some poor soul inhibited from attending church with the uppity people.
that "comment"/idea is a "two-way" street...
you're not saying that because the majority of a congegation choose to dress nicely for church (nicer than some people are able to), that those people are to be "labeled" as "uppity"???
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