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tracydolls -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 2:51:22 PM)
quote: While I don't personally know Tracydolls and I don't want to excuse bad behavior, I will say that Tracydolls and I have had our little disagreements in the past and I can say with some realitive certainty to those of you who may be new here that Tracydolls is probably being a bit fecitious and sarcastic. Well you know me! FON ! Gotta be sarcastic. LOL. I think the op was "loaded" After Katrina EVERYONE should know that the Gov't aint gonna help.

freakofnature -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 3:08:36 PM)
quote: After Katrina EVERYONE should know that the Gov't aint gonna help. And for the most part Tracy, I'll add, they should probably stay mostly out of the way! Which is what I mean by personal responsibility. BTW, new pictures? You grandbaby is beautiful. I am trying to expand the new picture of you in LA, but I have been unable to do so.

tracydolls -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 3:12:38 PM)
FON, This pic is not clear is it? I know I need glasses so I couldnt tell?

Tinkerbell_ -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 3:42:32 PM)
On the subject of sarcasm: It can only be acceptable so far. We also have to realise that there are many people who read these threads who aren't Christians and this isn't exactly the image we want to send them. On the topic of the floods...I agree that there were so many mistakes made in the instance of Katrina. Living in the panhandle when they say "leave" we leave. When Katrina came around we had our bags packed ready by the door just in case she decided to turn in the gulf. I wasn't taking any chances on my birthday. [8D] There has been so much damange along the coast that NO was a mere portion of it. An entire military base was practically wiped out. She went through two states and wiped out most of the coast. Having grown up in the midwest I have to agree with those who stated that they merely pulled up their boot straps and went to work. It doesn't matter who's yard it was, people will do what they with what they have and go from there. Because not everything was destroyed during the floods there were still bartering options. I'll drain your house if you help move my furniture or something like. shrug It's not a colour issue [8\|] and why must everything come back to that? sigh

Consecrated2God -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 3:48:06 PM)
quote: I'm getting the impression that the answer is thus: the bigger the scope, the more acceptable and excusable violence and theft is. Acceptable and excusable? Not at all. Bigger disaster, more homes lost, more lives lost, more looting, more suffering, more media coverage, more missions trips, more politicizing, more everything. No one is excusing anything, they are trying to explain it to you because you were asking why.

StephK -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 4:18:07 PM)
quote: After Katrina EVERYONE should know that the Gov't aint gonna help. quote: I'll add, they should probably stay mostly out of the way! Which is what I mean by personal responsibility. That is the truth. Something that a lot of people discovered was that the insurance companies found any loophole they could to get out of paying. I have a friend who had well over $20,000 worth of damage and only received $148. Another man was told that the insurance wouldn't cover the damages due to earth movement, that's right an earthquake. I'm sure the earth moved when all of the trees on his property were blown over. [8\|] A lot of people did do everything they were supposed to do only to find themselves on the short end of the stick.

trainfan -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 5:13:24 PM)
A few observations about Katrina. I read shortly after the disaster that Amtrak who maintains a passenger rail yard in New Orleans decided to haul all their equipment out before the storm hit. They also took out their employees and employees families and had extra room so they contacted the local government and asked if they would like to put people on the trains that were leaving. The answer, a flat out no. I was talking to a guy recently about the flooding and Katrina and he knew a guy who lived in New Orleans who first decided to ride out the storm but when he heard how bad it was he changed his mind and decided to leave the only problem was he had no car. So he packed some food and water bottles and started walking. He made it out 20 miles before the strom hit and found shelter with a local farmer along the highway. Now granted many people who were left were not able bodied but many were and just wouldn't leave. This same guy I was talking to also went down to the Gulf coast with a group from his church to build housing. They went to 2 areas to work 1 urban the other rural. In the urban area the local residents came out with their lawnchairs and watched the group work. In the rural area the local residents were working right beside them rebuilding. We have been having a lot of severe storms in the area where I live in the upper midwest. Pretty much as soon as the weather clears a little, here come the neighbors and even strangers to lend a hand to those around them who need assistance and those who need assistance if they are able are right out there too, unless it takes place in the inner city where they sit around and wait for the city to show up to clean up the damage. IMO it deosn't matter if the people are conservative or liberal or what color your skin is. In most (not all cases) people who live in the inner cities pretty much think they are entitled to help while people in the suburbs and rural areas just help themselves rather than wait for help from the government.

garsyt -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 5:50:33 PM)
quote: This same guy I was talking to also went down to the Gulf coast with a group from his church to build housing. They went to 2 areas to work 1 urban the other rural. In the urban area the local residents came out with their lawnchairs and watched the group work. In the rural area the local residents were working right beside them rebuilding. We have been having a lot of severe storms in the area where I live in the upper midwest. Pretty much as soon as the weather clears a little, here come the neighbors and even strangers to lend a hand to those around them who need assistance and those who need assistance if they are able are right out there too, unless it takes place in the inner city where they sit around and wait for the city to show up to clean up the damage. IMO it deosn't matter if the people are conservative or liberal or what color your skin is. In most (not all cases) people who live in the inner cities pretty much think they are entitled to help while people in the suburbs and rural areas just help themselves rather than wait for help from the government. I bolded two parts here that I think are KEY! I've seen this too. We lived in a inner city neighborhood once and had a big tree go down in our backyard one time. Our neighbors had several larger branches and stuff down in their yard as well. The next morning we started clean -up. Now we really didn't have much of a choice. The tree took out power poles and wires too and until those were taken care of we simply couldn't do much and then the tree was huge so the rental agency hired a crew to take care of the mess. They didn't want my help! But they did except my cookies and lemonade! and were very grateful for my phone when one of their workers fell from the the part of the tree that was still standing and they needed to call 911! Now the neighbors had a cow because the city told them that since their tree came down in their backyard and not on any city property, they had to deal with it on their own. I volunteered to help them out - but they just fussed and moaned about it so much that I just couldn't deal with them. Conversely, we had a nasty storm blew through several years ago that took out trees and damaged roofs all over the small town that we now live in. There was trash and junk blown everywhere but as soon as the sun came out and the winds and rain subsided EVERYONE was out doing what they can to help out neighbors and the one of the teens in the area organized a bunch of teens and pre-teens to get out and get picking up the trash that was scattered everywhere! Others went into the homes of shut-ins and elderly and made sure they were okay and helped move things from flooded basments. Chainsaws and power tools were heard for hours afterwards as once one job was done the men running the tools moved on to the next home. Others ran into town and bought tarps and other supplies, someone came back with a van load of food and drinks for those that were helping out. and it didn't matter what political party, race or religion you claimed - we just did what was needed for those that needed it as they helped us out. Blessings, Garsy

Peter_Gunn -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/16/2008 7:12:13 PM)
I'm glad to see some of you are finally getting it (ie: trainfan, Garsy)...it's a matter of character and doing what needs to be done. The people bringing out lawn chairs...what a bunch of losers! Personally, I can't wait until the water clears and we get to see all the wonderfully inspiring and heroic footage of farmer helping farmer! I have no doubt the people in the midwest won't even need or want help from "outsiders". By the time FEMA, chruch groups, charitable organizations, Home Despot, etc. get rolling, they'll have that place spic and span. They're the people that make this nation great! And who in the heck felt the need to play the race card??? Who ever said anything about race and why is that all some people ever think about??? How disappointing to see amongst a group of "Christians". And to YOU... quote: ME--As you shouldn't comment on any character because it is just not the Godly thing to do. If you are truly "helping" with your church, then praise God, if you are making a difference, then worship God, if your parents have been spared, then thank the Living God instead of moaning and groaning. Your complaints here are not edifying to the saints of God nore does it glorify the Father Who is in heaven. What you have managed to do was create strife...look around. But more importantly, look inside yourself and inquire of God about why you feel the way you feel and allow Him to deal with it so that you can be constructive in your walk with the Lord and less destructive with your words that are not pleasing to the Lord. God bless you, I am grateful and praising God that my parents still have their home intact. That will leave them time, money and energy to help their neighbors. Rather than creating strife, I hope some bright folks have asked themselves some serious questions about issues regarding "entitlements". Again, thank you for your generous "blessing"...now go learn some manners.

tracydolls -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 4:30:58 PM)
quote: And who in the heck felt the need to play the race card??? Who ever said anything about race and why is that all some people ever think about??? How disappointing to see amongst a group of "Christians". If you put a card on the table, which you did in op, just because you don't say spade, we are not suppose to know the card is a spade? 92% of americans claim Christianity. Can't tell the difference between them and sinners, can ya?

Peter_Gunn -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 4:54:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: And who in the heck felt the need to play the race card??? Who ever said anything about race and why is that all some people ever think about??? How disappointing to see amongst a group of "Christians". If you put a card on the table, which you did in op, just because you don't say spade, we are not suppose to know the card is a spade? 92% of americans claim Christianity. Can't tell the difference between them and sinners, can ya? I went back and re-read my OP and don't see a thing that can be construed as race-related. Where are you getting this, pray tell? Or do you know something about the races that the rest of us are not privy to? I do believe you're the first to bring race-blaming into this discussion and we're now on page #4. Why is this on your mind so much? Projecting?

JimboFletch -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 4:59:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: And who in the heck felt the need to play the race card??? Who ever said anything about race and why is that all some people ever think about??? How disappointing to see amongst a group of "Christians". If you put a card on the table, which you did in op, just because you don't say spade, we are not suppose to know the card is a spade? 92% of americans claim Christianity. Can't tell the difference between them and sinners, can ya? I went back and re-read my OP and don't see a thing that can be construed as race-related. Where are you getting this, pray tell? Or do you know something about the races that the rest of us are not privy to? I do believe you're the first to bring race-blaming into this discussion and we're now on page #4. Why is this on your mind so much? Projecting? You don't understand. With Tracy, even traffic lights are race-related because they don't have black or brown lights. [;)] Just kidding, just kidding!

jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:06:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn I went back and re-read my OP and don't see a thing that can be construed as race-related. Where are you getting this, pray tell? ME--I'd like to answer that. Let's see where do I begin? Could it be the part where you say that the New Orlean folk during Katrina chose to loot, in other words, steal & the Iowans didn't? Or the part where you say that they just whined & complained? And what race was shown on media the most in New Orleans? Oh, black folks! And what race in Iowa, hmmmm, white folks. Are you getting the picture now? Either you are very clever or the denial you are apparently experiencing is indeed true. Nonetheless, I pray the Lord to open your eyes. Blessings

JimboFletch -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:12:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jstbeliev ME--I'd like to answer that. Let's see where do I begin? Could it be the part where you say that the New Orlean folk during Katrina chose to loot, in other words, steal & the Iowans didn't? Or the part where you say that they just whined & complained? I'm thoroughly shocked and outraged! Are YOU saying that black folk are looters and whiners! Unbelieveable. Truly. [:o]

Sophie11 -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:17:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jstbeliev quote: ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn I went back and re-read my OP and don't see a thing that can be construed as race-related. Where are you getting this, pray tell? ME--I'd like to answer that. Let's see where do I begin? Could it be the part where you say that the New Orlean folk during Katrina chose to loot, in other words, steal & the Iowans didn't? Or the part where you say that they just whined & complained? And what race was shown on media the most in New Orleans? Oh, black folks! And what race in Iowa, hmmmm, white folks. Are you getting the picture now? Either you are very clever or the denial you are apparently experiencing is indeed true. Nonetheless, I pray the Lord to open your eyes. Blessings You know, if YOU are reading race into everthing people say, and it gets you this upset, I honestly don't know how you get through each day with your sanity intact, I really don't.

Peter_Gunn -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:18:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: jstbeliev ME--I'd like to answer that. Let's see where do I begin? Could it be the part where you say that the New Orlean folk during Katrina chose to loot, in other words, steal & the Iowans didn't? Or the part where you say that they just whined & complained? I'm thoroughly shocked and outraged! Are YOU saying that black folk are looters and whiners! Unbelieveable. Truly. [:o] Some folks are sure espousing that opinion! I'm offended for the black posters who are having to read this junk!

Peter_Gunn -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:21:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jstbeliev quote: ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn I went back and re-read my OP and don't see a thing that can be construed as race-related. Where are you getting this, pray tell? ME--I'd like to answer that. Let's see where do I begin? Could it be the part where you say that the New Orlean folk during Katrina chose to loot, in other words, steal & the Iowans didn't? Or the part where you say that they just whined & complained? And what race was shown on media the most in New Orleans? Oh, black folks! And what race in Iowa, hmmmm, white folks. Are you getting the picture now? Either you are very clever or the denial you are apparently experiencing is indeed true. Nonetheless, I pray the Lord to open your eyes. Blessings Just as I asked Tracydolls, are you on to something the rest of us don't know? Exactly what is it I'm in denial about? Or are you just another pot-stirrer who cannot carry on a mature, intelligent conversation?

JimboFletch -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:22:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch quote: ORIGINAL: jstbeliev ME--I'd like to answer that. Let's see where do I begin? Could it be the part where you say that the New Orlean folk during Katrina chose to loot, in other words, steal & the Iowans didn't? Or the part where you say that they just whined & complained? I'm thoroughly shocked and outraged! Are YOU saying that black folk are looters and whiners! Unbelieveable. Truly. [:o] Some folks are sure espousing that opinion! I'm offended for the black posters who are having to read this junk! I agree. I visited New Orleans in 2001 and it is one of the most diverse cities I've been to in the South. To make the kind of leap some are making is absurd.

jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:34:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch [ I'm thoroughly shocked and outraged! Are YOU saying that black folk are looters and whiners! ME--funny. No but I am saying that stereotypically...that is what some close minded folks, even "christians" believe. And I just get sick of hearing it. Thank God that when the Lord returns and establishes the new earth, topics like these....just won't be....

Sophie11 -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:38:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jstbeliev quote: ORIGINAL: JimboFletch [ I'm thoroughly shocked and outraged! Are YOU saying that black folk are looters and whiners! ME--funny. No but I am saying that stereotypically...that is what some close minded folks, even "christians" believe. And I just get sick of hearing it. Thank God that when the Lord returns and establishes the new earth, topics like these....just won't be.... No you were not just saying that it is a stereotype. You were outright accusing other in this thread of being racists. If you would like to apologize for jumping to conclusions, do so without downplaying the seriousness of your comments.

jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:39:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sophie11 You know, if YOU are reading race into everthing people say, and it gets you this upset, I honestly don't know how you get through each day with your sanity intact, I really don't. ME--I don't read race in everything people say, how generalisitc. I am reading between the lines of what Peter has said. Let's keep this focused on the person I am referring shall we? And I get through each day by the power and Spirit of God, the Holy One of Israel. For He keeps me as my mind is stayed on Him, for He also gives me a sound mind, praise Jehova! Thanks for your input. Blessings,

jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:41:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sophie11 No you were not just saying that it is a stereotype. You were outright accusing other in this thread of being racists. If you would like to apologize for jumping to conclusions, do so without downplaying the seriousness of your comments. Kindly and in deep respect. I was posting to another. Not you. And I am not apologizing for anything that I've written. Good bye! And of course, Blessings to you,

Sophie11 -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:47:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jstbeliev quote: ORIGINAL: Sophie11 No you were not just saying that it is a stereotype. You were outright accusing other in this thread of being racists. If you would like to apologize for jumping to conclusions, do so without downplaying the seriousness of your comments. Kindly and in deep respect. I was posting to another. Not you. And I am not apologizing for anything that I've written. Good bye! And of course, Blessings to you, Kindly and in deep respect, that is just what I expected.

jstbeliev -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/17/2008 5:52:33 PM)
sophie: Me too! At least I send blessings [:)]

Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: No fuss about flooding? (6/18/2008 1:11:46 AM)
Missouri is flooding now. They are saying this is going to top the 1993 flood. My husband and I both find it odd how our state is flooding from rain that fell hundreds of miles away. It is rather sad to see people feverishly filling sandbags one day only to see water running over them a few days later.

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