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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/29/2008 11:23:00 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Wow, there is some ugly rhetoric in here...
"Pearly white gates", "stumbling blocks", "sweetie pie"???? 
Why is stumbling block rhetoric? Lots of things in our lives become stumbling blocks for ourselves and for others. People who don't try to reason and don't give others any respect must have some sort of issues don't you think? People who disagree but offer no better idea shouldn't be so categorically dismissive of those they don't agree with. Nobody wants a messed up system of health care, government run or otherwise. But NO solution is the worst of all. I'm against abortion too, but what about those who are allowed to be born, and then can't get the help they need to live a healthy productive life? Isn't that just another twist to the problem we seem to have of nobody really caring about the helpless? Including the government, many many many many individuals, and the church as a whole.
It wasn't the phrase 'stumbling blocks', it was the sentiment sent with it. This is a 'moooo' point now (as Joey Tribbiani would say it).
What sentiment did it send with it in your opinion? We can disagree without being hateful and disrespectful can't we? Shouldn't we show respect to and interest in what others in His family think about what He says? Jumping on people and making snide remarks about what they posted isn't productive, or right in my opinion. Disagreeing is fine... after all this is a forum. But just bashing and saying mean things isn't fine.
Of course this is only in your judgment...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/29/2008 11:26:43 PM
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Maybe Obama or whoever is elected will have trouble recognizing and/or admitting their own weaknesses before God, but that doesn't mean that can't change. God changes peoples' hearts all the time.
Or not...
Most candidates will say about anything to get elected anyhow so how do we know what any of them REALLY believe or support? Pray we will make the right choice is all we can do I think.
Well in the case of Obama it's crystal clear he supports the murde of unborn children.... If you wana believe he's simply saying it to get elected that's your perogative...
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/30/2008 7:20:29 AM
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Now, I asked you what your solution is - please stop dodging the question.
My solution is not to let the government be involved... Please stop bearing false wittness against me because you don't like my answer...
John
John, I have repeatedly shown that the majority of Americans live in a 100% privatized healthcare system, and that most agree that this is a broken system.
You have come on this thread, one would assume, to offer solutions to this problem, or to advocate the current healthcare climate in the US is agreeable to you. I am simply asking what your solution would be, or, if you think it is agreeable, why this is. It seems that you do not take a position - which is the reason for the questions.
If you think the current healthcare climate in the US - that being that 45-47 million Americans are without heath insurance; that hard working people face bankruptcy to pay for healthcare; that these private clinics, pharmaceautical companies, insurance companies are getting wealthy at the expense of other people's health - if you find that this is a good situation, by all means - please say so.
Or, if you have another solution, please offer it.
Otherwise, why did you come on this thread?
To pass time and do my part in regards to keeping the goverment out of health care. As for my position... No government... I believe I have made that clear... I am here to counter those who believe the government is the answer... I don't have to any more reason than that to be here...
John
Ie, you think the current system works, then? A simple yes or no, please.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/30/2008 7:25:58 AM
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LOL! John, I am an independent, and do not know whom I'm voting for.
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And, I was strictly taught that God does the judging, not us. Obviously you were taught differently and I definitley part ways with that way of thinking.
Some simple questions... Is pedophile right or wrong? Getting drunk, hanging out in topless bars?
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BTW, if you did not want to hear about the millions without health insurance, why did you even want to come onto this thread?
I am not sure where this judgment came from...
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Just curious - generally if you come onto a thread, you offer if you are pro or con to it...
I believe anyone who reads my posts are sure that I am "con" against the government being involved in health care...
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Well, I'm not going to get off topic; and I do believe I was taught correctly.
Government is currently only involved in healthcare for those over 65, a selected few who are disabled and very few who are low income.
The rest of us, ~75% have privatized healthcare, John, and the majority of us pretty much agree that this privatized healthcare does not work, it is broken. Do you think this system works - if so, why, given the aforementioned + the fact that 45-47 million Americans are without healthcare insurance. If you don't think it works, then what is your solution.
And if you do not answer this question that I have asked you quite a few times, I will assume that you do agree that for 75% that have privatized healthcare - the system is broken; you have no solution yourself, and you came on here to offer no real solution.
Peace and God bless,
PS BTW, if McCain tones down his war rhetoric and promises to sign Kyoto, I'm voting for him. He has an ok record on the environment - and is actually trying to appeal to environmentalists ih his latest campaign messages.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/30/2008 7:41:28 AM
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If you don't think it works, then what is your solution.
And if you do not answer this question that I have asked you quite a few times, I will assume that you do agree that for 75% that have privatized healthcare - the system is broken; you have no solution yourself, and you came on here to offer no real solution.
Alright, this constant demanding of an alternative solution is a bit ridiculous. I don't mean to jump into the middle of this debate between you and John, and I am not trying to attack you but I'm SOOOOOO tired of hearing this.
Why is it that anyone in opposition must provide "a different solution"?
If everyone in favor of government taking over healthcare thinks the current system is broken, well how long have you had these feelings about it? What did YOU propose in the meantime, besides sitting back and waiting for the government to put forth the option of socialized healthcare? If nothing, then why expect that everyone in opposition ought to be able to do what you yourself never did?
That being said, this thread is here for those of us who agree and for those of us who disagree with universal healthcare.
I don't need to have another answer in mind to know that socialized medicine would not be a good idea, and I refuse to go along with something that I do not believe in just because it is the only idea being put forth at the moment.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/30/2008 8:08:12 AM
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I agree 100 % and want NO part of judging anyone... Im still working out my OWN way, and trying to help others if I can. I thought I was merely making an observation based on what John was posting in here, not judging him...
That pig doesn't fly... You can't have it both ways... Your observations are judgments....
I quote you...
You are so snide and nasty to people John, what put that big stumbling block on your shoulder anyhow?
Btw... I don't take issue with you judging... I just believe its not a righteous one , but you are more than welcome to judge...
John
Your own words are witness ...I am done with you
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/30/2008 8:13:05 AM
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If you don't think it works, then what is your solution.
And if you do not answer this question that I have asked you quite a few times, I will assume that you do agree that for 75% that have privatized healthcare - the system is broken; you have no solution yourself, and you came on here to offer no real solution.
Alright, this constant demanding of an alternative solution is a bit ridiculous. I don't mean to jump into the middle of this debate between you and John, and I am not trying to attack you but I'm SOOOOOO tired of hearing this.
Why is it that anyone in opposition must provide "a different solution"?
If everyone in favor of government taking over healthcare thinks the current system is broken, well how long have you had these feelings about it? What did YOU propose in the meantime, besides sitting back and waiting for the government to put forth the option of socialized healthcare? If nothing, then why expect that everyone in opposition ought to be able to do what you yourself never did?
That being said, this thread is here for those of us who agree and for those of us who disagree with universal healthcare.
I don't need to have another answer in mind to know that socialized medicine would not be a good idea, and I refuse to go along with something that I do not believe in just because it is the only idea being put forth at the moment.
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Well, if you think the current climate is good, then you should say it. If not, then what do you propose?
I have stated that I believe in the mixture of the two, Sophie - like Obama is proposing. The government picks up where privatized can't - you know, like the 45-47 million without health insurance.
If you're going to complain about the current system, then I think you oughta offer what your solution is - I don't see any harm in asking this.
Peace and God bless,
PS See you later !)
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/30/2008 8:30:30 AM
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Well, if you think the current climate is good, then you should say it. If not, then what do you propose?
I have stated that I believe in the mixture of the two, Sophie - like Obama is proposing. The government picks up where privatized can't - you know, like the 45-47 million without health insurance.
If you're going to complain about the current system, then I think you oughta offer what your solution is - I don't see any harm in asking this.
Peace and God bless,
PS See you later !)
Well I do have to say I think the current system is better than what I expect to get from the government run system.
It's a nice thought that "the government" is going to pay for everyones healthcare, and be able to lower the cost of private insurance at the same time, but the reality is that is not going to work. You will see hospitals closing down all over the country like they are in other countries that had their government attempt such nonsense.
And as far as offering another solution, the problem is is that you and others have done nothing more than jump on a bandwagon already in motion, and then expect the rest of us to be experts on healthcare beyond what anyone else has been able to propose in order to be eligible to debate the matter. I suppose there's no "harm" in you asking, it just seems silly to me is all.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/30/2008 8:36:14 AM
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If you don't think it works, then what is your solution.
And if you do not answer this question that I have asked you quite a few times, I will assume that you do agree that for 75% that have privatized healthcare - the system is broken; you have no solution yourself, and you came on here to offer no real solution.
Alright, this constant demanding of an alternative solution is a bit ridiculous. I don't mean to jump into the middle of this debate between you and John, and I am not trying to attack you but I'm SOOOOOO tired of hearing this.
Why is it that anyone in opposition must provide "a different solution"?
If everyone in favor of government taking over healthcare thinks the current system is broken, well how long have you had these feelings about it? What did YOU propose in the meantime, besides sitting back and waiting for the government to put forth the option of socialized healthcare? If nothing, then why expect that everyone in opposition ought to be able to do what you yourself never did?
That being said, this thread is here for those of us who agree and for those of us who disagree with universal healthcare.
I don't need to have another answer in mind to know that socialized medicine would not be a good idea, and I refuse to go along with something that I do not believe in just because it is the only idea being put forth at the moment.
So people should just come in here and say "yes I'm for it" or "no I'm not" and thats all? Then why keep coming back in here?
Or is this just a place for some to come and blast the government while ignoring the fact that the church is supposed to be doing this and isnt.
The reason we demand an alternative is because there are millions upon millions of uninsured, mimimum wage or no wage earners with NO coverage. It's unscriptural for us not to try to see that their needs are met somehow.... preferably through the storehouse of the church--- but we all know that ain't gonna happen without some major overhauling... If you think the government is bogged down in rhetoric and political pressure... how about that church???? I don't even want to go there.
Anyway, there are other reasons for needing to keep the population as a whole healthier... there are many new forms of viruses. ever more virulent it seems, and much antibiotic resistance. If we have a large population with no means of health care, what will happen if a virulent strain gets loose in this country as it already has in other places. And here too to some extent. Viruses don't care whether you are rich or not.
Hopeless people are often driven to desperate measures just to survive and give their families the barest of sustenance. Would you rather pay to imprison people than to give them health care? At least then they would get health care, and a TV maybe, and maybe even you could pay for them to go to college while they are incarcerated. That would be less expensive than healthcare and some sort of basic support for staying housed and fed? I think not. Punitive yes, degrading yes, fiscally prudent ... NOPE.
Somehow people who have been fortunate enough to find themselves in a reasonably "comfortable" position seem to tend to feel like they earned it, and think that those who have fallen on bad times or for some other reason can't provide the bare necessities for themselves and family somehow deserve it. Or think that all people who need help are lazy or stupid... there are some lazy and stupid poor people I guess, but most are neither. The percentage is about the same for the rich I reckon.
I just know what God says about the needy. I don't really care what man says.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/30/2008 9:18:05 AM
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So people should just come in here and say "yes I'm for it" or "no I'm not" and thats all? Then why keep coming back in here?
No I don't believe that's what I said. It seems to be though that some in favor of it would have it that way. If you disagree with them they no longer wish to debate the current issue, which is the merits of socialized medicine, and instead will only demand you produce a solution.
IMO the ones who love universal healthcare are the ones least likely to want to speak on the specific problems that other countries with such systems have come across. They only say the current system doesn't work but don't seem to care about what problems we may have under universal healthcare. It makes no sense to me.
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Or is this just a place for some to come and blast the government while ignoring the fact that the church is supposed to be doing this and isnt.
I am simply not going to agree with something I do not believe will help or work. I too wish the church would be more involved, as I have already said before. But just because they are not is not a reason for me to be in favor of another group that does nothing.
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The reason we demand an alternative is because there are millions upon millions of uninsured, mimimum wage or no wage earners with NO coverage. It's unscriptural for us not to try to see that their needs are met somehow.... preferably through the storehouse of the church--- but we all know that ain't gonna happen without some major overhauling... If you think the government is bogged down in rhetoric and political pressure... how about that church???? I don't even want to go there.
And IMO the proposed healthcare system would eventually be worse for the same uninsured that we are so worried about now. That is why I do not want it. I have already stated this multiple times.
I understand you seem to think it would help, I have told you already I understand that. But you are not understanding that I do not believe it would help. If I do not believe it would help, why on earth would I be in favor of it?
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Anyway, there are other reasons for needing to keep the population as a whole healthier... there are many new forms of viruses. ever more virulent it seems, and much antibiotic resistance. If we have a large population with no means of health care, what will happen if a virulent strain gets loose in this country as it already has in other places. And here too to some extent. Viruses don't care whether you are rich or not.
If this was the case I doubt health insurance would protect anyone from the virus either.
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Hopeless people are often driven to desperate measures just to survive and give their families the barest of sustenance. Would you rather pay to imprison people than to give them health care? At least then they would get health care, and a TV maybe, and maybe even you could pay for them to go to college while they are incarcerated. That would be less expensive than healthcare and some sort of basic support for staying housed and fed? I think not. Punitive yes, degrading yes, fiscally prudent ... NOPE.
Please, how is having health insurance going to keep people out of prison? What desperate criminal measures are these poor people taking that health insurance is going to eliminate?
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Somehow people who have been fortunate enough to find themselves in a reasonably "comfortable" position seem to tend to feel like they earned it, and think that those who have fallen on bad times or for some other reason can't provide the bare necessities for themselves and family somehow deserve it. Or think that all people who need help are lazy or stupid... there are some lazy and stupid poor people I guess, but most are neither. The percentage is about the same for the rich I reckon.
When have I ever said such things?
And FYI, I am not rich. Unless of course you mean by global standards, but then even the poor in this country would be considered rich.
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I just know what God says about the needy. I don't really care what man says.
Yes, but here is my problem with this. I am not saying not to help the needy. I am not saying not to help the poor. I understand that you want to help as well. But your "help" is nothing more than agreeing with an idea proposed by some politicians. This hardly gives you the room to sit in judgement of everyone who disagrees and accuse them of not caring.
When you say you are in favor of universal healthcare, I do not accuse you of not caring, and IMO it is going to do more harm than good, but still I understand that you believe it will help. Why is it that it is so hard for you to understand the same of me as well?
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 6/30/2008 10:01:20 AM
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I just know what God says about the needy. I don't really care what man says.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/1/2008 9:41:42 AM
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Well I do have to say I think the current system is better than what I expect to get from the government run system.
It's a nice thought that "the government" is going to pay for everyones healthcare, and be able to lower the cost of private insurance at the same time, but the reality is that is not going to work. You will see hospitals closing down all over the country like they are in other countries that had their government attempt such nonsense.
Consumer Talk Show Host Clark Howard had a report of Americans, taking Medical, and dental trips out of the country, to places like Costa Rica. Where, including air fare, their total bill is as much as 1/3 of what they'd pay in the US, with US educated doctors, and dentists. I expect more of this, once ObamaCare takes over.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/2/2008 7:22:19 PM
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Well, if you think the current climate is good, then you should say it. If not, then what do you propose?
I have stated that I believe in the mixture of the two, Sophie - like Obama is proposing. The government picks up where privatized can't - you know, like the 45-47 million without health insurance.
If you're going to complain about the current system, then I think you oughta offer what your solution is - I don't see any harm in asking this.
Peace and God bless,
PS See you later !)
Well I do have to say I think the current system is better than what I expect to get from the government run system.
It's a nice thought that "the government" is going to pay for everyones healthcare, and be able to lower the cost of private insurance at the same time, but the reality is that is not going to work. You will see hospitals closing down all over the country like they are in other countries that had their government attempt such nonsense.
And as far as offering another solution, the problem is is that you and others have done nothing more than jump on a bandwagon already in motion, and then expect the rest of us to be experts on healthcare beyond what anyone else has been able to propose in order to be eligible to debate the matter. I suppose there's no "harm" in you asking, it just seems silly to me is all.
Hi Sophie,
First off - again, I, nor any of the candidates except for Nader - we are NOT advocating that the government run the entire healthcarce show.
Second, I don't understand how you can say with such certainty that government would make everything worse - have you lived in another country that has some form of universal healthcare?
Third, I don't understand how you can be satisfied our current system: where 45-47 million Americans are without health insurance; people do not get needed surgeries; people have go bankrupt paying for necessary surgeries, or take out second mortgages on houses to pay for surgeries.
And, no, I am not jumping on a bandwagon. I have long thought that a country that promises free education to grade 12 certainly can find a way to provide healthcare to all. And, see, I'd rather have my country provide free healthcare to all than spend billions, probably trillions by now, on unnecessary wars - but that's another thread. I think providing money to those without healthcare is a heck of a lot better than destruction - perhaps you disagree.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/2/2008 10:04:40 PM
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Ie, you think the current system works, then? A simple yes or no, please.
I gave my answer... I have been clear...
I am here to counter those who believe the government is the answer...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/2/2008 10:07:12 PM
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And if you do not answer this question that I have asked you quite a few times, I will assume that you do agree that for 75% that have privatized healthcare - the system is broken; you have no solution yourself, and you came on here to offer no real solution.
I believe those who believe the government is the answer come here with no real solution...
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PS BTW, if McCain tones down his war rhetoric and promises to sign Kyoto, I'm voting for him. He has an ok record on the environment - and is actually trying to appeal to environmentalists ih his latest campaign messages.
Doesn't the above require a judgment on your part?
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/2/2008 10:13:50 PM
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I agree 100 % and want NO part of judging anyone... Im still working out my OWN way, and trying to help others if I can. I thought I was merely making an observation based on what John was posting in here, not judging him...
That pig doesn't fly... You can't have it both ways... Your observations are judgments....
I quote you...
You are so snide and nasty to people John, what put that big stumbling block on your shoulder anyhow?
Btw... I don't take issue with you judging... I just believe its not a righteous one , but you are more than welcome to judge...
John
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My words? Heh...
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/2/2008 10:50:02 PM
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So people should just come in here and say "yes I'm for it" or "no I'm not" and thats all? Then why keep coming back in here?
To do my part against those who advocate the government's take over health care...
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Or is this just a place for some to come and blast the government while ignoring the fact that the church is supposed to be doing this and isnt.
You can bet looking to the government for things the church should be doing isn't going to light a fire under the church... Of course I believe there is no real interest with most folks in the church doing its job since this is all about shaping the government to be more socialistic in nature...
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The reason we demand an alternative is because there are millions upon millions of uninsured, mimimum wage or no wage earners with NO coverage. It's unscriptural for us not to try to see that their needs are met somehow....preferably through the storehouse of the church--- but we all know that ain't gonna happen without some major overhauling... If you think the government is bogged down in rhetoric and political pressure... how about that church???? I don't even want to go there.
What is scriptural about supporting the government usurping the role of the church? The bible doesn't support the concept of the end justifying the means...
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I just know what God says about the needy. I don't really care what man says.
Interesting comment...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/2/2008 11:02:27 PM
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First off - again, I, nor any of the candidates except for Nader - we are NOT advocating that the government run the entire healthcarce show.
Slippery slope...
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Second, I don't understand how you can say with such certainty that government would make everything worse - have you lived in another country that has some form of universal healthcare?
This isn't another country and this government is about control...
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And, no, I am not jumping on a bandwagon. I have long thought that a country that promises free education to grade 12 certainly can find a way to provide healthcare to all.
Who says the government has any business providing <cough> free education... And if the education system is the standard I certianly don't want those same folks involved in healthcare...
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And, see, I'd rather have my country provide free healthcare to all than spend billions, probably trillions by now, on unnecessary wars - but that's another thread.
The government's stated reasonability leans far closer to war than it does being the provider of health care…
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I think providing money to those without healthcare is a heck of a lot better than destruction - perhaps you disagree
Perhaps some people wish to live under socialism... I know I don't...
John
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/3/2008 10:13:24 AM
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Hi Sophie,
First off - again, I, nor any of the candidates except for Nader - we are NOT advocating that the government run the entire healthcarce show.
Second, I don't understand how you can say with such certainty that government would make everything worse - have you lived in another country that has some form of universal healthcare?
Third, I don't understand how you can be satisfied our current system: where 45-47 million Americans are without health insurance; people do not get needed surgeries; people have go bankrupt paying for necessary surgeries, or take out second mortgages on houses to pay for surgeries.
And, no, I am not jumping on a bandwagon. I have long thought that a country that promises free education to grade 12 certainly can find a way to provide healthcare to all. And, see, I'd rather have my country provide free healthcare to all than spend billions, probably trillions by now, on unnecessary wars - but that's another thread. I think providing money to those without healthcare is a heck of a lot better than destruction - perhaps you disagree.
Peace and God bless,
No I have not lived in a country with universal healthcare, but then I suppose I can't disagree with it with any more certainty than you have in agreeing with it. The US has never done such, so there is not really any certainty in it at all. It is my opinion that it would be disaterous.
The other problem with the number of uninsured in this country is that there is no certainty they will get needed care simply by the fact that they get health insurance. Giving them health insurance in no way ensures people will be able to get healthcare. There are many today who do have insurance yet they still have trouble getting necessary procedures done.
And as far as free education, are you kidding? Look at the mess that has become. And also I might add the power the government has over the education of our children and the complete disregard of parents' voices on the subject matter being taught in public schools. That is not what I would want for our healthcare system.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/3/2008 2:04:23 PM
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relady
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And also I might add the power the government has over the education of our children and the complete disregard of parents' voices on the subject matter being taught in public schools. This poster is speaking for him/her self only. I live in an absolutely spectacular public school district which happens to be run very very well. The government does not run schools in America, conservative religious rhetoric to the contrary.
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/3/2008 3:07:53 PM
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I live in an absolutely spectacular public school district which happens to be run very very well.
Only someone from the left would make such a comment. Of course, teh left LOVES what our schools have become, and want as many children indoctrinated by them as they can.
Why else would they oppose vouchers or school choice?
Likewise for healthcare.....it's supposed to be let-the-government-take-care-of-you-from-cradle-to-grave, right?
Personal responsibility? We don' need no stinkin' responsibility!
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RE: Socialized Medical Care - 7/3/2008 3:15:22 PM
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