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RE: Creationist Challenge: Present scientific evidence... - 8/21/2008 11:40:16 PM   
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Good, here's a method for determining the age of a sample. We all agree that (more or less) we get one ring per year in a tree. No single tree has more than a few thousand years of rings. This is true.

However, individual years can be picked out due to greater or lesser rainfall, or fires. So that the same year can be identified in two different trees in the same area. This allows us to build up tree-histories, or dendrochronologies. Dendrochronologies for bristlecone pines go back 8500 years, while others based on different trees have been extended back further than 10,000 years. This falsifies Ussher-oid YEC chronology.


Well, I give evidence for a young earth, and you respond with evidence for an old earth.


No, I argued that the exact same method you mentioned (dendrochronology) actually provides ages in excess of those allowed in YEC.

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I must ask what's the point in giving evidence for a young earth when you will just respond "we know the earth is old because radiometric dating/etc. says so."


That's not what I said. I used the same method you suggested.

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There have been cases where's there's been more than one good match for a tree ring pattern.


In the specific article brought up in the other thread, a better method reduced the ambiguity from 100+ matches to a single one.

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As for the carbon dating that's supposed to correlate with the dendrochronology...


Although radiocarbon dating bolsters the OE argument, standard dendrochronology alone conflicts with YEC. Indeed, if anything, dendrochronology is regarded as more certain than radiocarbon dating and is used to calibrate radiocarbon dating, not the other way around.

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RE: Creationist Challenge: Present scientific evidence... - 8/22/2008 1:37:12 AM   
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Never mind that no ancient culture has ever talked about ice covering the earth and over 200 ancient cultures have stories about a global flood, the whole goal of scientists is to deny the bible. So they'll make up any story they can think of to deny the bible, especially stories that no one in history can verify. Inf act, scientists know that the earth was once covered in water because there's so much evidence of it, that those who don't use the frozen water theory have claimed there was once a giant global tsunami. Anything but a flood even though the only event that's been verified by ancient tribes is a flood. That proves that scientists aren't interested in the truth, but simply to deny the bible.

Civilizations grew up near waters. It makes sense that there would be stories about floods, and many of the floods must have seemed global without the long distance communication we take for granted today. Have you compared these 200 stories of global floods with the story of Noah's flood? Most bear little resemblance to the Biblical flood. If they were all about the same flood, we'd expect they would be similar. They aren't. They are not stories about the same event.
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RE: Creationist Challenge: Present scientific evidence... - 8/22/2008 2:41:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Veritas

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ORIGINAL: Carico


Never mind that no ancient culture has ever talked about ice covering the earth and over 200 ancient cultures have stories about a global flood, the whole goal of scientists is to deny the bible. So they'll make up any story they can think of to deny the bible, especially stories that no one in history can verify. Inf act, scientists know that the earth was once covered in water because there's so much evidence of it, that those who don't use the frozen water theory have claimed there was once a giant global tsunami. Anything but a flood even though the only event that's been verified by ancient tribes is a flood. That proves that scientists aren't interested in the truth, but simply to deny the bible.

Civilizations grew up near waters. It makes sense that there would be stories about floods, and many of the floods must have seemed global without the long distance communication we take for granted today. Have you compared these 200 stories of global floods with the story of Noah's flood? Most bear little resemblance to the Biblical flood. If they were all about the same flood, we'd expect they would be similar. They aren't. They are not stories about the same event.


No we wouldn't expect similiarity. The equation is to get the oldest accounts of each people before corrupted by the process of time. Doing this show so much sameness about a global flood as to defy the odds of each being a invention. The oral and written history of so much of mankind is united on the point of a great flood. As it would be if it was true. Its buessing and speculating to a great degree to say living by water produces floods stories that each people meant to be taken as history. Talk about conspiracy..
This oral history of mankind alone should persuade there was a great flood. Leaving aside revealed religion and the evidence of eareth sciences.
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