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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 8:42:00 AM
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WesP
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I really dont understand what your wink meant.......but, i know i'm not racist.....and having lived my whole life in the south......and driven through it quite frequently.......man's heart is desperatly wicked......and you can see it regarding the races still, in many pockets of this nation.
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It seems to me that the people who yell loudest about racism are the most ardent practitioners of it. That may be a surprising statement from a Southern boy, but it's true! 
He has used race as a counterpoint in discussions before, and I just do not see the widespread attacks that he feels the need to defend against. There will always be a few mean, ignorant people on one side or the other, but that does not equate to rampant evil racism stalking his every moment.
Let me clarify for you. You said the people in the South showed their true colors respecting Osama. LOL! I am in the South, and I think that was a harsh and undeserved judgment. Never did I call you a racist. I was just pointing out that ALL of us are not racist. In fact, the majority of us are not. 
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 9:30:37 AM
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I think that the race card is a cop out, quite frankly.
I think it's a way to be controversial and to trump up voters.
Rather than running on race, which based on the cries against racism, should be a non-issue, any candidate should run on his/her own merits, policies, and abilities. The color of skin shouldn't even come up. Right?
If we truly want to move past it, it should not even be discussed...period. Every time skin color is brought up, race becomes a factor.
Let the rotten fruit fly.... 
And I'm not sure where everyone gets off saying Obama knows what it's like to be poor. While Michelle grew up in South Chicago, Barack certainly did not. At least Hillary Clinton admitted she was privileged.
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 9:51:20 AM
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Sunshine......if you know anything about Obama, it is that he was for the most part raised by a single parent.......who worked quite a few jobs to see that her children were taken care of. He also lived w/his grandparents who instilled a lot of different views in him.
And, i guess living in Georgia, you all dont have any racial inequalities to anyone of color???
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 10:05:18 AM
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And, i guess living in Georgia, you all dont have any racial inequalities to anyone of color???
I've lived in Alabama since 1981 and, believe it or not, race is rarely a topic of interest among the white folk I associate with. Not saying there aren't still some white-sheeters out there or the odd redneck sporting Confederate flags on his Ford pickup, it's just that most of them have accepted the message that skin color is as important as hair color or eye color. Even at church on Sunday morning.
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 10:52:22 AM
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And, i guess living in Georgia, you all dont have any racial inequalities to anyone of color???
Do you not see the judgment in these types of statements? There are racial problems in every part of the world. To continue the stereotype of the South by portraying it in the view of the 60's and prior is to demean people who do not deserve it at all. I would say racism is just as bad in some large western and northern cities as it is in a small country town in Georgia. Before anyone denies that, yes, I have lived in cities in the North and the West.
Yes, I agree with this wholeheartedly. For you, Rosie, to place judgment on southerners is just as bad as judging someone on their race.
My comments were to point out that if we don't want race to be a factor...STOP BRINGING IT UP!!!!!
Nothing on Barack's own website states that he grew up poor, though his parents did, but it looks to me from his own bio that the poor factor didn't seem to be very important....since his parents met at the University of Hawaii, and Barack himself was able to live in different places around the world. Doesn't sound like a poor boy to me, Rosie.
If we want a raceless society, that means we have to create it...and the first step is to not create racial lines where there don't need to be any.
Barack supposedly has a campaign of mert and substance on his own....why, therefore, should his race play into it in any way?
And Rosie, you need to be really careful about accusing (or implying) people of being racist just because of where they live....
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 11:07:00 AM
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I think the real truth of the matter is that NO ONE really wants to talk about the issues.
One of the issues being race and racism in america.
We can't talk about that. If you bring it up, folks think you're just perpetuating the problem.
If McCain talks about it, he's being a racist. If Obama talks about it he's being a racist or playing the race card. Is there anyone who can actually talk about it?
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 11:07:53 AM
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I think the real truth of the matter is that NO ONE really wants to talk about the issues.
One of the issues being race and racism in america.
We can't talk about that. If you bring it up, folks think you're just perpetuating the problem.
If McCain talks about it, he's being a racist. If Obama talks about it he's being a racist or playing the race card. Is there anyone who can actually talk about it?
Rap singers. (j/k)
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 11:10:47 AM
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And, i guess living in Georgia, you all dont have any racial inequalities to anyone of color???
I've lived in Alabama since 1981 and, believe it or not, race is rarely a topic of interest among the white folk I associate with. Not saying there aren't still some white-sheeters out there or the odd redneck sporting Confederate flags on his Ford pickup, it's just that most of them have accepted the message that skin color is as important as hair color or eye color. Even at church on Sunday morning.
It really is interesting. The most racial harmony of any city that I've lived in was Houston. The most racist city I've ever lived in was near Chicago.
Born and raised in the north, but still feel very strongly that the south has much better race relations than the north.
(Actually, the most racially harmonious city I've lived in was Seattle - but since it's mostly white, I figure it doesn't really count. To quote a friend of mine when we were walking down by the market - "I feel like a charcoal brick in a lilly patch.")
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 11:12:43 AM
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Rap singers. (j/k)
Funny, but not that far from the truth.
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 11:26:06 AM
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I think the real truth of the matter is that NO ONE really wants to talk about the issues.
One of the issues being race and racism in america.
We can't talk about that. If you bring it up, folks think you're just perpetuating the problem.
If McCain talks about it, he's being a racist. If Obama talks about it he's being a racist or playing the race card. Is there anyone who can actually talk about it?
In truth, the solution is to hold individuals accountable for their behaviors. To paint whole groups of people under one brush just perpetuates animosity due to the fact that all people in a particular area, a particular group, etc. are NOT the same. If a person issues racial epithets, attacks others based on racial hatred, etc., that person should be held accountable. It does no good to call his whole family racist and is not even true in most cases.
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 11:45:15 AM
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And, i guess living in Georgia, you all dont have any racial inequalities to anyone of color???
Do you not see the judgment in these types of statements? There are racial problems in every part of the world. To continue the stereotype of the South by portraying it in the view of the 60's and prior is to demean people who do not deserve it at all. I would say racism is just as bad in some large western and northern cities as it is in a small country town in Georgia. Before anyone denies that, yes, I have lived in cities in the North and the West.
Yes, I agree with this wholeheartedly. For you, Rosie, to place judgment on southerners is just as bad as judging someone on their race.
My comments were to point out that if we don't want race to be a factor...STOP BRINGING IT UP!!!!!
Nothing on Barack's own website states that he grew up poor, though his parents did, but it looks to me from his own bio that the poor factor didn't seem to be very important....since his parents met at the University of Hawaii, and Barack himself was able to live in different places around the world. Doesn't sound like a poor boy to me, Rosie.
If we want a raceless society, that means we have to create it...and the first step is to not create racial lines where there don't need to be any.
Barack supposedly has a campaign of mert and substance on his own....why, therefore, should his race play into it in any way?
And Rosie, you need to be really careful about accusing (or implying) people of being racist just because of where they live....
Since you lived in Georgia and was pointing out that this stuff doesnt exist, or shouldnt exist, that is all i was asking you!!!!!! I wasnt implying anything, except the fact that what you said in your first comment wasnt anything like your second. So maybe you should be careful how you word things!
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 11:50:14 AM
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RosieCotton
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well, two very racially charged cities i've lived in was Pensacola......and Richmond!
Two pretty scary places.......so, when i talk i am talking about my own experience......i believe that i can do that.
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 11:51:17 AM
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RosieCotton
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Ms. Soprano.
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Since you lived in Georgia and was pointing out that this stuff doesnt exist, or shouldnt exist, that is all i was asking you!!!!!! I wasnt implying anything, except the fact that what you said in your first comment wasnt anything like your second. So maybe you should be careful how you word things!
Who is this addressed to?
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 11:54:00 AM
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I agree that the south has better race relations than the north. I've been here in NC for 12+ years, having come down from upstate NY, and have seen both. Obviously, it wasn't always that way, but it seems to be now.
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And, i guess living in Georgia, you all dont have any racial inequalities to anyone of color???
I've lived in Alabama since 1981 and, believe it or not, race is rarely a topic of interest among the white folk I associate with. Not saying there aren't still some white-sheeters out there or the odd redneck sporting Confederate flags on his Ford pickup, it's just that most of them have accepted the message that skin color is as important as hair color or eye color. Even at church on Sunday morning.
It really is interesting. The most racial harmony of any city that I've lived in was Houston. The most racist city I've ever lived in was near Chicago.
Born and raised in the north, but still feel very strongly that the south has much better race relations than the north.
(Actually, the most racially harmonious city I've lived in was Seattle - but since it's mostly white, I figure it doesn't really count. To quote a friend of mine when we were walking down by the market - "I feel like a charcoal brick in a lilly patch.")
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 1:16:58 PM
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having pillars depicting slavery is not blatant racism?!?!?!
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 1:24:48 PM
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no, its just the attitude of the place!!!!!!
Who talks about how great it is that Arthur Ash couldnt plan tennis at the tennis courts near his house because he was black.
When i placed a kid in foster care in a foster home, i was told by another agency that i should change his placement before school started as he was black, and would prob. have some trouble at school.........sorry, for me these are real world attitudes!!!!!
Of living here in the South!
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 1:29:27 PM
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RosieCotton
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haha.....nice words there......i'm not poisoned......just have my eyes opened!
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 1:30:49 PM
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GroupW
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I am sorry that your personal experience has poisoned you against millions of us that are innocent. May God bless you and lead people in your community to express more love and tolerance.
Wes-
The experience bit runs both ways - when you encounter racism personally, you'll tend to see it even where it does not exist. When you don't encounter racism personally, you'll tend not to see it even where it does exist.
There are those that cry racism at every turn and those that think we're past it and folks should just get over it. Most of us lie somewhere between.
It's not that simple.
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RE: Obama plays his oun race card - 6/24/2008 1:40:36 PM
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WesP
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I am sorry that your personal experience has poisoned you against millions of us that are innocent. May God bless you and lead people in your community to express more love and tolerance.
Wes-
The experience bit runs both ways - when you encounter racism personally, you'll tend to see it even where it does not exist. When you don't encounter racism personally, you'll tend not to see it even where it does exist.
There are those that cry racism at every turn and those that think we're past it and folks should just get over it.
It's not that simple.
Those statements are true. I do not suggest that it does not exist. I have witnessed it and said that in another post. I shall bow out of this part of the discussion and return to the OP.
My main contention is that racism is aggravated by claiming that it is dominant in this area, this group, etc. When Obama makes statements about race to "help" his campaign, he is just as guilty as Sharpton and others who seek personal attention at others' expense. He is furthering the cry of victimhood without justification. When someone says something to me because that person hates white people, I ignore it. I am not a victim who needs recompense because of an angry, lost soul. If cannot get a better job because of racial quotas based on AA, I do not go to court and seek monetary recompense. And, finally, I do not go out and tell everyone what happened and try to stir up the community either. That fosters hatred.
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