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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 11:45:26 AM
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tracydolls
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You said here that the colony failed. The books say James town was the first PERMANANT settlement and it was almost 15 years before the Pilgrims came!
Sorry again, it was not the first.
I said first PERMANANT. PERMANANT being the key word.
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 12:06:30 PM
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Leon_Figg3
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I'm proud that this is a country were people of ALL FAITHS AND BELIEFS, including George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Marin Luther King, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XIV, John Dobson, Jerry Falwell, The Dahli Llama, and many, many more can express their beliefs OPENLY without fear of persecution from the government or radical individuals who would do them harm for speaking what they believe.
Your kidding right? Martin Luther King was killed for his beliefs, the Gov't put him in jail many times, crazy people blew up CHURCHES and Children to keep MLK from getting anywhere.
First we have to get some simple history under our belts before we can be PROUD.
tracydolls,
First of all I do not believe history is simple. I had a junior high school history teacher who turned me on to history because of his beliefs and views about the course of history. One of the things he said was that one's basic understanding about history/ a historic event is based on which side is first and best able to record it.
In America the history of the Old West has largely been told from the view point of the "victors", but with the publication of books like "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" the other side got to have their say. Lo and behold it became clear that a lot of awful things were done that didn't have to be done. It became clear that individuals on both sides saw the conflict as inevitable and sought ways to lessen the resulting misery.
From other posts you have disclosed that you have had some bad experiences of a racial nature. I believe many of us have. I know I have. Though they may not come close to yours I am aware that they could have turned me into a racist, at the very least it could have made me very fearful of being around blacks, which it did for a time. However, I feel/ I'm certain that I was more fearful of the type of person who did me wrong than their skin color (I was mugged by a 6 foot black man when I was in the service. After I left the service I was conned out of some money and material by a black man I tried to befriend. Then when I ran out of money, it's believed that he broke into my house stold from me and vandalized my car)
Do I blame all blacks- NO (When I was mugged the only people in the vacinity who could have helped me were black). I blame the individuals who did me wrong and my trusting nature.
Do I blame the legal system, or the country for what happened to me(after I was robbed the police seemed to know who I was talking about who was responsible for my house being broken into and robbed. I was not his first victim)
Once again, my experiences may not compare to yours, but it is up to each of us how we respond to what has happened. We can either hold onto the hurt and anger and let I poison our view of our fellow man, or we can endeavor to be Christlike and move on.
After I was mugged I was surprised at the concern some of the black troops in my unit expressed. They feared that the mugging would have an adverse affect on my relationship with them as far as racial matters were concerned. It did not.
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 12:28:19 PM
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I'm proud that this is a country were people of ALL FAITHS AND BELIEFS, including George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Marin Luther King, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XIV, John Dobson, Jerry Falwell, The Dahli Llama, and many, many more can express their beliefs OPENLY without fear of persecution from the government or radical individuals who would do them harm for speaking what they believe.
Your kidding right? Martin Luther King was killed for his beliefs, the Gov't put him in jail many times, crazy people blew up CHURCHES and Children to keep MLK from getting anywhere.
First we have to get some simple history under our belts before we can be PROUD.
You're right on this. Good call on your part. In trying to find people who have been bold enough to speak their mind on political, religous, and social issues, I grabbed one person who had to make the sacrafice so that others could have those rights which they do enjoy today.
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 1:48:51 PM
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tracydolls
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Leon,
Ok let's take race out of the equation.
It's the one thing we will not be healed of.
My thing is I'm not willing to lie or be proud of this country. Or some of it's people. ( I have been guilty of both)
Has the Lord used some people for great things in this country. YES.
But this country seems to me to be going to Hell in a handbasket. Quickly. Gays getting married, etc.
Pride is not something anyone should have. I have to die to that every moment. Forget everyday.
There is no verse in the Bible that I can find that says be proud of your country. Period. or proud of anything.
Jer 50:31 Behold, I am against thee, O thou most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time that I will visit thee.
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 2:37:48 PM
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Seriously, one could as simply state that he/she is happy about certain things that define the country. It does not have to be unthrottled pride like lucifer displayed.
Uhh.. did you read the post or title?
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 3:02:10 PM
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No. I cannot read.
Hey! Perhaps, I can assume the most extreme definition of any word that someone posts. That way I will be able to enter the conversation intelligibly. Thanks!
Just assume the def. of it proud, pride.
No where in the Bible is it a good thing!
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 3:37:47 PM
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WesP
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No. I cannot read.
Hey! Perhaps, I can assume the most extreme definition of any word that someone posts. That way I will be able to enter the conversation intelligibly. Thanks!
Just assume the def. of it proud, pride.
No where in the Bible is it a good thing!
Beggin' your pardon, ma'am, but which definition would you like to use. Henceforth we can go by the definition you choose. It really does not matter what the OP intended anyway.
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Pride is an emotion which refers to a strong sense of self respect , a refusal to be humiliated as well as joy in the accomplishments of oneself or a person, group, nation or object that one identifies with.
That was from Wiki. It prolly ain't good enough, but anywho. I will work on my etymological extremism. 
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 3:47:33 PM
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Whatever def. you use it all comes back to the Bible
Satan is king over all the children of pride!
Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
Notice it don't say gays or criminals or people on welfare, children of pride
now who are those children, I wonder?
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 3:51:26 PM
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Whatever def. you use it all comes back to the Bible
Satan is king over all the children of pride!
Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
Notice it don't say gays or criminals or people on welfare, children of pride
now who are those children, I wonder?
So if I am proud of my son for getting good grades in school am I a child of Satan?
If I am proud of my Lord for what he has designed and created am I a child of Satan?
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 3:59:24 PM
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Whatever def. you use it all comes back to the Bible
Satan is king over all the children of pride!
Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
Notice it don't say gays or criminals or people on welfare, children of pride
now who are those children, I wonder?
Just like a quarterback! She drops back and shifts out of the pocket. There's a rush, and she scrambles out of bounds to stop the clock! The crowd goes wild! 
Seriously, tracy. Where in the OP does it define pride to be equal to that of satan? There are degrees of several things such as love, pride, heat, compassion, etc. Why do you insist that words are your definition only? Pride? JK! 
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 4:10:21 PM
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HisFish
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Whatever def. you use it all comes back to the Bible
Satan is king over all the children of pride!
Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.
Notice it don't say gays or criminals or people on welfare, children of pride
now who are those children, I wonder?
So if I am proud of my son for getting good grades in school am I a child of Satan?
If I am proud of my Lord for what he has designed and created am I a child of Satan?
of course you can be proud of your children and your country. Tracydolls is confusing that pride which is haughty, that sets ones self as being all self sufficient without any need for God with what we would define as the joy in the accomplishments of our loved ones or country and most of all, God.
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 4:32:53 PM
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tracydolls
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Just like a quarterback! She drops back and shifts out of the pocket. There's a rush, and she scrambles out of bounds to stop the clock! The crowd goes wild!
And on the next play she runs the 2 yards into the inzone for a quarterback sneak!
TouchDOWN!
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Seriously, tracy. Where in the OP does it define pride to be equal to that of satan? There are degrees of several things such as love, pride, heat, compassion, etc. Why do you insist that words are your definition only? Pride? JK!
I did'nt use a def. you did?
What does the Bible say pride is? You got a STRONGS?
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 4:39:16 PM
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And on the next play she runs the 2 yards into the inzone for a quarterback sneak!
TouchDOWN!
But wait, there's a flag on the play. ILLEGAL FORMATION. Bring the ball back, no score.
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 6:12:13 PM
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What makes our nation great and something to proclaim is this...
we are willing to self examine. Its all up for debate here. We fail and we do good and its all under scrutiny.
Its no wonder the socialists have such a foothold in america when so many deride it.
If pride is bad, so is destructive criticism. Saying america is evil. Saying its past mistakes defines it. Saying we are a racist nation, a selfish nation, a greedy nation, a nation who wants to conqour the world....is just prejudice.
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/25/2008 11:46:04 PM
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tracydolls
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That has no bearing on the OP. It was a totally different connotation.
Wait I thought it had a different definition?
What does pride or proud mean then?
How does the Bible define it?
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/26/2008 9:13:08 AM
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But wait, there's a flag on the play. ILLEGAL FORMATION. Bring the ball back, no score.
Still 3rd down, she choses not to huddle, she's fakes to the left, looking at her wide reciever running down right field,(Randy Moss) he's covered by 3 men, she hands the ball to her running back (Barry Sanders) He runs straight down the middle! no defenders in sight.
Touchdown.
Thanks for helping me with my football withdrawal. This is getting as good as the NFL thread! 
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RE: Why Is America Something to be Proud Of? - 6/26/2008 2:12:23 PM
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Hi
I am new to this particular thread but have been lurking for a while. As a black American female I would like to just step in here and present a slightly different point of view than some of the the others. First off I for one AM very thankful to have been born in America. I believe that God allows us to be born where we are for a purpose and to glorify him. Sure there were some terrible things in our history like slavery and persecution of the native Americans. That cannot be denied but everywhere there are humans you will find sin. It is our job not to just moan and complain about all of the social ills and how "hell-bent" this country is but to reach out to our world with the message of hope in Jesus Christ, and we black folks are not exempt from the great commission just because of what has been done to us. Nor do we have the right to hold onto unforgiveness and bitterness. The Bible says in Philippians to think on the good things. I have lived in the inner city, later on the suburbs, and now my husband and I live in the country. I was born in the north and lived there for much of my life but have been in the deep south for nearly 20 years now. We are the only black family on our road but have never had any trouble with our neighbors. In fact these are some of the sweetest people One of the things my parents instilled in us was to expect the best from people because if you go into a neighborhood with a chip on your shoulder expecting to find trouble you will. Yes I know and have experienced racism and sexism in my life and even discrimination for being a christian but and I have lived below the poverty line (food stamps and all) and am now considered upper middle class. So I have been at all ends of the spectrum. Have even been homeless for a while when I was trying to get through college. I will never forget where I came from but what happens to us can either make us bitter or better. I thank God that our country abolished slavery (unlike many of the African countries where it still exists). I am thankful that I could go to school and make a living and did not have to belong to particular Caste group or family. I am thankful that as a woman I have the freedom to be an individual with rights and privileges and not someones'elses' property. Most of all I am thankful that I am in a country where (at least for now) the gospel is still freely preached and I was able to be saved and still able to lead others to Christ. Yes when our own brothers in Africa sold us into slavery, satan meant it for evil but God meant it for good. This was Joseph's mentality about being sold into slavery in Egypt by his brothers and the one I am choosing to adopt. Blessings.
Rochelle
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