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RE: Right Judgement? - 7/3/2008 12:08:51 PM
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lightshineon
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Um we are not to judge self-righteously, but by the word of God. If we are never to judge would criminals run the street? We are also told not to hang with certian people in the church. That takes judgement. Evangal, I have alot of scripture I could use about voting. The one which comes to mind is this one. Every thoughtless, word, deed or action will be judged on the day of judment. Matt.12:36, Also does it tell us we are either for or against Jesus? You will know a tree by its fruit? Were not called to be wondering fools. We are to judge by the word of God, and make sure we are not doing the same sin. And are you not making a judgement, when you choose who to vote for. How about judging president Bush?
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RE: Right Judgement? - 7/3/2008 12:26:19 PM
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Um we are not to judge self-righteously, but by the word of God. If we are never to judge would criminals run the street? We are also told not to hang with certian people in the church. That takes judgement. Evangal, I have alot of scripture I could use about voting. The one which comes to mind is this one. Every thoughtless, word, deed or action will be judged on the day of judment. Matt.12:36, Also does it tell us we are either for or against Jesus? You will know a tree by its fruit? Were not called to be wondering fools. We are to judge by the word of God, and make sure we are not doing the same sin. And are you not making a judgement, when you choose who to vote for. How about judging president Bush?
Good points lightshineon.
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RE: Right Judgement? - 7/3/2008 12:28:54 PM
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lightshineon
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Thank You. 
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Um we are not to judge self-righteously, but by the word of God. If we are never to judge would criminals run the street? We are also told not to hang with certian people in the church. That takes judgement. Evangal, I have alot of scripture I could use about voting. The one which comes to mind is this one. Every thoughtless, word, deed or action will be judged on the day of judment. Matt.12:36, Also does it tell us we are either for or against Jesus? You will know a tree by its fruit? Were not called to be wondering fools. We are to judge by the word of God, and make sure we are not doing the same sin. And are you not making a judgement, when you choose who to vote for. How about judging president Bush?
Good points lightshineon.
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Right Judgement? - 7/3/2008 1:00:20 PM
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Evangel70
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Um we are not to judge self-righteously, but by the word of God. If we are never to judge would criminals run the street? We are also told not to hang with certian people in the church. That takes judgement. Evangal, I have alot of scripture I could use about voting. The one which comes to mind is this one. Every thoughtless, word, deed or action will be judged on the day of judment. Matt.12:36, Also does it tell us we are either for or against Jesus? You will know a tree by its fruit? Were not called to be wondering fools. We are to judge by the word of God, and make sure we are not doing the same sin. And are you not making a judgement, when you choose who to vote for. How about judging president Bush?
Lightshineon, I'm not talking about not judging criminal behavior. We would have no laws and no legal system if that were the case -- and we'd be living in chaos. Of course, we are to judge behavior that harms or endangers the lives of others. That's why there are laws on the books condeming rape, murder, stealing, prostitution, speeding, drunk driving, etc. We would not have a cohesive society without some form of judgement.
What I'm talking about is judging one moral sin above another. For example, is divorce a worse sin than adultery? Is watching pornography worse than having sexual relations without the benefit or marriage? The bible says that ALL sin separates us from God. The man guilty of lying to his boss about being sick so he could go and play golf, is just as guilty and subject to condemnation in GOD's eyes as the serial killer or the child molester. Now of course, in our legal system that would not be the case. The lying employee would probably not be punished and the serial killer and child molester obviously should be punished to the full extent of the law. But to say that it's o.k. to lie since there is little chance of "worldly" punishment is IMO mocking God's word.
With respect to judging the actions of other's we shouldn't just wink at the lies and corruption of one political party thinking "they may be crooks and liars, but at least they don't support abortion or gay marriage" and think we are judging "righteously". As I've stated many times before ALL politicians lie.
The only "Christian" president we have ever had that I would feel comfortable saying that his life reflected his faith was Jimmy Carter, and he, by his own admission, was an awful president (and I'll have to take his word for it since I was in elementary school during his presidency). If I were to base my understanding of the Christian faith by the actions of Presidents Reagan, Clinton or George W. Bush, I would want NOTHING to do with Christianity. That's why we can't base our faith on what politicians say but on the word of God.
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RE: THIS JUST IN: Christians now are given the right o ... - 7/4/2008 4:53:12 PM
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...Especially when the pedephile turns out to be a baptist deacon with a wife and 3 kids of his own?
Even more so...
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Making temporal judgment based on actions is what one must do, if not how does avoid the topless bar, drugs, etc...
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This is what the word of God says....
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. (Matt 7:1-2)
Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck out of your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:1-5).
If we condemn someone for something we do ourselves, we bring condemnation upon ourselves... That is what the above is referring to...
Of course if one judges in a righteous manner guess what? That is the manner in which they will judged with...
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Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He [God] will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. (1Cor 4:5)
The above is regarding judging with insufficient knowledge...
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What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. (1Cor 5:12-13)
The above is speaking to jurisdiction...
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You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance? (Romans 2:1-4)
Again...If we condemn someone for something we do ourselves, we bring condemnation upon ourselves...
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Take the issue up with God, dude.
God?
Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.
"But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6).
"And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).
"Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).
"Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18).
All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin.
We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so. "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).
Leviticus 19:15. "You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. But in righteousness you shall judge your neighbor."
May I suggest study over word searches next time, dude... 
John
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them" (Ephesians 5:11).
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RE: Right Judgement? - 7/4/2008 4:57:26 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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True, yet one is accountable to God for whom they vote for...
Where exactly is this in the scriptures?
But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." (Matthew 12:36-37).
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RE: Right Judgement? - 7/5/2008 12:32:31 PM
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Evangel70
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John & Lightshineon,
How can you possibly interpret Matthew 12:36 to have ANYTHING to do with voting for a secular political office. In it's context, this scripture reads:
"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
This scripture is about how ALL of us will have to give an account to God for how we live our lives as believers and how WE will be judged or acquitted by the very words we speak. This is a warning for believers that EVERYTHING we say and do reflects our "fruit" and not just how we act around Christians on Sunday.
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RE: Right Judgement? - 7/5/2008 2:22:33 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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John & Lightshineon,
How can you possibly interpret Matthew 12:36 to have ANYTHING to do with voting for a secular political office. In it's context, this scripture reads:
"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
This scripture is about how ALL of us will have to give an account to God for how we live our lives as believers and how WE will be judged or acquitted by the very words we speak. This is a warning for believers that EVERYTHING we say and do reflects our "fruit" and not just how we act around Christians on Sunday.
On what grounds do you remove the act of voting for someone from what a believer does? Where is the exception? You posted the following....
This is a warning for believers that EVERYTHING we say and do reflects our "fruit" and not just how we act around Christians on Sunday.
How is voting for a secular political office excempt?
You very post is in conflict with your view...
John
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RE: Right Judgement? - 7/5/2008 9:13:33 PM
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lightshineon
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I agree John.
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John & Lightshineon,
How can you possibly interpret Matthew 12:36 to have ANYTHING to do with voting for a secular political office. In it's context, this scripture reads:
"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
This scripture is about how ALL of us will have to give an account to God for how we live our lives as believers and how WE will be judged or acquitted by the very words we speak. This is a warning for believers that EVERYTHING we say and do reflects our "fruit" and not just how we act around Christians on Sunday.
On what grounds do you remove the act of voting for someone from what a believer does? Where is the exception? You posted the following....
This is a warning for believers that EVERYTHING we say and do reflects our "fruit" and not just how we act around Christians on Sunday.
How is voting for a secular political office excempt?
You very post is in conflict with your view...
John
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
F.T., 2007
Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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