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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/3/2008 4:16:42 PM
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solarflare
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Why, I think we should just take away everyone's TV! Those teletubbies,
I mean vangelists, will go broke then!!
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/6/2008 8:32:22 AM
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BlackCapnHarlock
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quote:
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.html
They say the love us, they lying they ain't nothing but crooks
Jack
and all your money seeking preachers GOD will crumble your wealth,
and all your false preacher prophets are going to stumble to hell.
Sean Slaughter, Die Another Day
Both of those are Christian rappers who got it right. Many of these folks are crooks. HOWEVER, we can't assume they all are because they are rich.
Joel Osteen's house is not that big and you know what, if I was the pastor of a church with 30,000 members I would have a nice income and live ina nice neighborhood as well.
Some of the conservative preachers we listen to John MacArthur, MacDonald, and others who are serious about the word and aren't teaching false doctrine, are rich as well. Should we condemn them?
Don't judge a book by it's cover people. TBN is gawdy, and stereotypical but until you get proof they are crooks like Benny Hinn who's a crook,
then we should keep our mouths silent as many of the people we see as "all right" may be crooked and flawed as well.
Goodness the Christian army is the only army at war with itself.
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Ezekiel 16:6 Eze 16:6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
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RE: Lifestyles of the televangelists - 7/6/2008 8:30:38 PM
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Eric B
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The quote on the link is so true:
"Christianity began as a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. When it went to Athens, it became a philosophy. When it went to Rome, it became an organization. When it went to Europe, it became a culture. When it came to America, it became a business."
I wished he cited who said that (or maybe it was the link right above the quote).
Everyone quotes "the laborer is worthy" and 2Cor.9, but the leaders in the Church back then were not modern business type "executives" like today who were stationary, and "paid" for their "profession" with the Church supporting all their living expenses (and even "vacation", "retirement", etc). Those passages were referring mainly to apostles, who were contantly traveling, and like Christ "had nowhere to lay their head". (So it wasn't just "money", it was also food and shelter). The local Church was basically a home fellowship, with those really knowledgeable in the scriptures as teachers, and shepherds and overseers watching to make sure everything is all right. (And Paul indicates that everyone should grow to be teachers, not stay as "babes" following and being "fed" by someone else for the rest of their lives). There were also "elders" who were literally, older men. So they were to be supported, too.
But as the quote said, the Church copied organization (including government) and later, business. I was alarmed years ago, when I saw the church financial statement, and thousands were going to the "pastor" (for a classy house, frequent church business travel, etc), while only hundreds were going to missions, which is supposed to be part of our whole purpose as a Church.Then, he is aparently unhappy with our giving and leaves for greener pasteurs. (And to us left behind, guilt was thrown around, and we quickly disbanded). After that, I was basically through with organized Church. It confirmed everything I already had always questioned regarding the corporate business model of organization. Then, in the 90's; CT and other magazines were replete with articles on pastor "burnout". They do all the work, while everyone just comes and receives. But that's because we have copied a corporate supply/demand model where the people are paying them to do the work! Nobody got it. There was a bit of a push to go back to cell groups, but they still seemed to rely on the organized "church" as their base, so they didn't seem to go anywhere.
We are so used to paying someone to "lead" us, that it was hard to lead home fellowships or cell groups. So we continue to go to an organized Church. But to me that is a necessary evil, for the time being.
So all of these televangelists are just the model we've been following taken to the extreme.
< Message edited by Eric B -- 7/6/2008 9:40:25 PM >
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