RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ear tickler?
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/5/2008 9:37:05 PM
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earthless
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Eric B,
Like I have stated before - this is not about Paul Washer nor Joel Osteen - but I did need to comment on your post that shows you do not the serious heresy that Joel preaches from Houston. I do not idolize any man and no one is above reproach, I was just letting you know that there are indeed serious matters with the person you said there wasn't or didn't know.
I do not know what I could possibly be deflecting if my loyalty is to God's Word and not what any man can ever speak. Maybe we're just misunderstanding each other? Lord knows tone is often very hard to convey properly on a message board.
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/5/2008 9:45:16 PM
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Eric B
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But again; it's not about what Olsteen teaches. I say "deflectionary", because people keep taking little things I say and creating tangents with them. So now, whatever I say about Washer and "tough preaching" means nothing because I have not "equipped myself" by reading the entire Olsteen thread and learning about everything he teaches. That is a deflection. Hence, I'm the one who keeps saying it is not about Olsteen. That started from a passing reference I made about him on the Washer thread.
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/5/2008 9:45:57 PM
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So if there is discussion of Joel Osteen's error or non-error, can that be taken to the Joel Osteen thread?
Back to topic. I'm not familiar with Washer, but I have seen some disturbing treatments of "Lordship salvation" that do indeed equate to a works salvation. Last time I checked, here's what the apostle Paul had to say about salvation that was in any way based on works:
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Galatians 1
8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
10For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.
Guess what? Loud and angry preaching and railing about sin can be just as much of an ear tickler as the touchy feely appeal of someone like Joel Osteen. Granted the audience is different.
Oh, and for the record, "churchianity" started long before the 80s and the 70s as well.
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/5/2008 9:51:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: Eric B
But again; it's not about what Olsteen teaches. I say "deflectionary", because people keep taking little things I say and creating tangents with them. So now, whatever I say about Washer and "tough preaching" means nothing because I have not "equipped myself" by reading the entire Olsteen thread and learning about everything he teaches. That is a deflection. Hence, I'm the one who keeps saying it is not about Olsteen. That started from a passing reference I made about him on the Washer thread.
Eric - that was certainely not the intention of my comments. I am simply suggesting that you become familiar with what Joel Osteen teaches for your own sake and duty. That is all, nothing more and nothing less.
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/5/2008 9:52:54 PM
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I agree with earthless that if there is any salient reference to Joel Osteen, that it's good to find out what he's about. No question.
I hope this thread is more about the issue of what it means to preach "tough" and not about a particular preacher.
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/5/2008 10:56:39 PM
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I hope this thread is more about the issue of what it means to preach "tough" and not about a particular preacher.
I agree!
I think it's a great topic.
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/6/2008 7:54:49 AM
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I hope this thread is more about the issue of what it means to preach "tough" and not about a particular preacher.
Me too! If it's about a particular preacher, I can't participate, since I've never heard either Osteen or Washer preach, and if I wanted to post about them I'd be posting in those threads anyway.
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/6/2008 8:25:47 AM
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Tough preaching like that of John MacArthur and Josh MacDonald are hard pills to swallow, but their preaching makes me better and that's why I listen too those guys. Pastor Brooks of Evangel Ministries in Detroit is a tough guy as well.
We need more preaching like him in our community. He called out Christians for the Rwanda Genocide, saying we made a nation of converts but not a nation of disciples.
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/6/2008 8:34:12 AM
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To me tough preaching is addressing those issues in my own walk that I don't always jump for joy at discussing. Addressing the things I don't want to hear. I do want to hear them, but it's not always a pleasant conviction, know what I mean? If it causes me to grow, then I want to hear it. I need to hear it. The flesh can blind us with a veil and it's the Word of God that will tear it down. That's tough preaching to me. If I am sitting in a sermon and I am thinking that so and so should be hearing this, I'm not applying it to my own life-this is not good.
I need to squirm in my seat because I'm not perfect. I need to squirm because He's not through with me. To sit still means I have become complacent and am tolerating sin in my life. Tough equals growth to me, presenting the hard Truth to uncover my own self deception.
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/6/2008 3:33:30 PM
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To me tough preaching is tackling those passages in the Bible that are difficult to preach. Sometimes the Bible has some pretty controversial things to say, and it takes guts to preach on them and not ignore them and pretend they aren't there or that it really doesn't say that.
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/7/2008 2:17:04 PM
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R C Sproul is very excellent.. I've been listening to him. You can download him. He is very solid. thru the month of April he is tackling the tough sayings of Jesus, i.e. Why did Jesus curse the fig tree that was just sprouting leaves, and Why did a lot of innocent people have to die in various times in the USA (like the Oklahoma City bombing).
now, Mr Sproul is very solid, and I would say he speaks mildly (as a teacher) but yet is a tough preacher.
OK sorry, this topic was not originally meant to be about any paticular minister, by the way :)
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RE: Can You Handle Tough Preaching? or are you just an ... - 7/7/2008 2:41:49 PM
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RC Sproul is a great handler of God's Word.
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