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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 9:41:29 AM
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faroukfarouk
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hi, well on the surface it looks like good work.
I guess that there's no replacing actually seeing him work.
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i am working on being more picky than normal (which is very picky). the artist i'm looking at isn't in the shop til wed so i'll call him to set up a time to watch him ink. he upped the fee for an appointment to $60 so i'm really checking him out. basically i found today that i'm going to tell him that i want to watch him so i can see what i'm getting myself into and know what to expect. maybe close it by saying that he would want me to get cold feet and chicken out before he starts? he's has his own myspace page with pics so you can see his work area and some of his work. he tattoos the japanese style i'm looking for and just as important he can get blacks black. the water jesus is pulling peter from is supposed to be abyss like but this tattoo (from the bad artist) is no more than 5 months old and has holidays (from not holding the needle right) and fading fast.
please check out the artist i'm looking at to see if he looks good (safe wise too) your eyes may see something i might miss (or hopefully nothing)....
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=281571651
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 10:09:59 AM
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stellaluna
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I wouldn't get tattooed by him unless it was something very small. His line work is shaky, although his shading seems to be decent, except on the portraits.
Mostly, he's 21! He's been tattooing for a year! That's no where near long enough for me...all my artists have been tattooing at least ten.
Although, $60 is nothing, so it may be safe to assume you're getting something small?
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 11:48:59 AM
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miasma
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I would not get a tattoo from him. Not even a free one.
She must mean 60 pounds, Stellaluna, as he's in England, which is well over $100.
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 12:15:30 PM
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I would not get a tattoo from him. Not even a free one.
She must mean 60 pounds, Stellaluna, as he's in England, which is well over $100.
Miasma, he is in LONDONDERRY, NEW HAMPSHIRE. I had to do a double take on that one too.........LOL
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 12:27:27 PM
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spdrgrl.603
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its $60 just to make an oppointment with him. the tattoo is not cheap (to get the touch up and the clouds done it's at least $700) and there are tattoo artits that have ink for years that aren't safe and artists that inked for a couple that are OCP with sanitation which this guy is. his ink lasts and i've talked to people who got work done by him.
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 12:32:42 PM
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I wouldn't get tattooed by him unless it was something very small. His line work is shaky, although his shading seems to be decent, except on the portraits.
Mostly, he's 21! He's been tattooing for a year! That's no where near long enough for me...all my artists have been tattooing at least ten.
Although, $60 is nothing, so it may be safe to assume you're getting something small?
inking for a year but their training goes anywhere from a year to acouple and a good majority of these artists charge anywhere from $15,000 for apprentice up. its like college but its an apprenticeship. during this time artists start off doing boring stuff like answer phones, then they progress to knowing hoe to maintain and clean the shop/ work area, watch their master tattoo, and really, i mean really practice inking. they may start off on a squash first to get a feel for the needle and the progress on to skin but use a purple like ink that isn't permanent and fades after a couple weeks. they dont "just" tattoo for a year. there's a lot more to it than that. and this is in NH i'm not London.... we are named after a place in London thou... USA all the way!
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 1:02:13 PM
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miasma
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Theoretically, apprenticing is not an easy (or cheap) effort. Still, though, doesn't mean they're any good at it. Or that whoever apprenticed them wasn't just doing it for the money.
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 2:48:59 PM
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You absolutely do not have to explain to me how a tattoo shop or apprenticeship works. (Although it is highly uncommon around here to pay for an apprenticeship and apprenticeships sometimes last several years.) I have spent YEARS in tattoo shops. My former best friend owns a tattoo shop. My husband's best friend owned and now works in a tattoo shop. I have half a dozen other friends that OWN tattoo shops. I have done setups and tear-downs. I have scrubbed tubes and made needles. I have catalogued and initialed sterilized items coming out of the autoclave. I understand the whole process.
I have half a dozen tattoos and some large pieces among them and sanitation aside--I still would not let someone who has been a tattoo artist for one year do work on me, unless it was something very small. I certainly wouldn't spend $700 with an artist so new. You asked us to look at his work and give an opinion. I did that, as did miasma. His shading is decent if you don't look at his portraits, but his line work looks like a new artist.
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 3:02:22 PM
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spdrgrl.603
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wow. please dont take it personal here. i wasn't explainingg it to you persay but anyone reading.... not everyone here is as informed as you. hence why i have almost a thousand people looking at this thread so far....
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 11:09:31 PM
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spdrgrl.603
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miasma:
Do you recommend it as a career, for those who are willing to go through the apprenticing? and do you think the safety procedures are adequately dealt with during the apprenticing?
Take care.
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ORIGINAL: miasma
Theoretically, apprenticing is not an easy (or cheap) effort. Still, though, doesn't mean they're any good at it. Or that whoever apprenticed them wasn't just doing it for the money.
faroukfarouk-
please stay on topic. if you have no information related to tattoo artists and their methods (dangerous ones) and safety or experience to help people looking into this then stop posting. moderators have already told you more than once to stay on topic. this isn't about recommending it as a career and adding the word safety at the end doesn't make it fit with the thread's topic. again the topic is about the risks of tattooing, allergic reaction to inks (people need to know this before they go under the needle), and dangerous to safety parlor practices
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/8/2008 11:33:44 PM
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I will say that many--most, perhaps--have difficulty with red ink. I have seen tattoos that were predominantly red that were rejected by the wearer's body. Not good! That means antibiotics and scarring. On the milder end, the red areas sometimes peel multiple times.
(There are a lot of companies that sell ink; the most predominant is probably StarBrite. Some artists mix and match, according to which inks work best in particular colors.)
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/9/2008 1:12:16 AM
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Photo-aggravated reactions
Photo-aggravated reactions are most commonly caused by yellow (cadmium sulfide) tattoo pigment. Edema and erythema may develop upon exposure to sunlight. Although the mechanism is not clear, cadmium sulfide is the light-sensitive material used in photoelectric cells; therefore, the reaction is believed to be phototoxic. Red tattoos have been associated with photo-aggravated tattoo reactions less frequently than yellow tattoos, and most likely, these reactions are related to the trace amounts of cadmium added to brighten the red pigment.
In contrast to hypersensitivity reactions to red tattoos, reactions to pigments used to create green, blue, and black tattoos are much less common. Chromium in green tattoo pigment is associated with localized eczematous reactions at the site of the pigment, eczema of the hands, and generalized eczematous reactions. Patients may be sensitized primarily by exposure to cement. Patch testing to 0.5% potassium dichromate is often positive.
Blue tattoos that contain cobalt have been linked to localized hypersensitivity reactions and (rarely) spontaneous development of uveitis.
Allergic reactions to black tattoo pigment are very rare, with fewer than 5 cases reported. Presumably, these patients were sensitive to carbon.
Pseudolymphomatous reactions
Delayed hypersensitivity to tattoo pigment may result in a pseudolymphomatous reaction. Lymphadenosis benigna cutis (pseudolymphoma) can develop after insect bites, after acupuncture, after antigen injection, after wearing of earrings, and in association with tattoo pigments. Tattoo-induced pseudolymphoma occurs primarily within red portions of the tattoo. This reaction is rarely induced by green or blue tattoos.
Clinically, most reactions are characterized by flesh-to-plum or plum-red indurated nodules and plaques similar to cutaneous B-cell lymphoma. Be alert to this type of reaction to tattoo pigment to prevent an erroneous diagnosis of lymphoma.
What is in the ink:
• Black - Carbon (India ink), iron oxide, logwood
• Blue - Cobalt aluminate
• Brown - Ferric oxide
• Green - Chromic oxide, lead chromate, phthalocyanine dyes
• Purple - Manganese, aluminum
• Red - Mercuric sulfide (cinnabar), sienna (ferric hydrate), sandalwood, brazilwood, organic pigments (aromatic azo compounds)
• White - Titanium oxide, zinc oxide
• Yellow - Cadmium sulfide
There is more info on this in my first post….
its not just red ink although other cases beside red ink is rare.... me i dont want to take that risk. all my tattoos are black and white.
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/9/2008 8:26:31 AM
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faroukfarouk
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Stellaluna: So have you partlicularly avoided red ink for safety reasons?
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I will say that many--most, perhaps--have difficulty with red ink. I have seen tattoos that were predominantly red that were rejected by the wearer's body. Not good! That means antibiotics and scarring. On the milder end, the red areas sometimes peel multiple times.
(There are a lot of companies that sell ink; the most predominant is probably StarBrite. Some artists mix and match, according to which inks work best in particular colors.)
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/9/2008 10:08:20 AM
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No, my reaction to red is very mild. I don't react to any other color.
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/9/2008 10:54:40 AM
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faroukfarouk
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stellaluna:
I see, thnx, so I guess then that know you can get inked in pretty well any colour, right, and you can be confident that you won't get a reaction to it in your skin.
I reckon it pays to be aware if any allergy or reaction is likely, tho.
Take care.
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No, my reaction to red is very mild. I don't react to any other color.
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(I'm a guy. Some tattoo designs look nice, though...but I haven't worn my earrings lately. So, think the lady in the avatar is my sister?)
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/9/2008 12:06:15 PM
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spdrgrl.603
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quote:
ORIGINAL: faroukfarouk
stellaluna:
I see, thnx, so I guess then that know you can get inked in pretty well any colour, right, and you can be confident that you won't get a reaction to it in your skin.
I reckon it pays to be aware if any allergy or reaction is likely, tho.
Take care.
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No, my reaction to red is very mild. I don't react to any other color.
you cant get inked in "any color" sides red.... i just posted other color reactions and said that thou they are rare they do happen.
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/9/2008 12:07:44 PM
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faroukfarouk
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oh okay
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ORIGINAL: faroukfarouk
stellaluna:
I see, thnx, so I guess then that know you can get inked in pretty well any colour, right, and you can be confident that you won't get a reaction to it in your skin.
I reckon it pays to be aware if any allergy or reaction is likely, tho.
Take care.
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No, my reaction to red is very mild. I don't react to any other color.
you cant get inked in "any color" sides red.... i just posted other color reactions and said that thou they are rare they do happen.
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/9/2008 2:52:57 PM
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spdrgrl.603
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this may be interesting for people curious.... its said to show tattoo practices... the show is on the History Channel and its called Ancient Ink. they do mention the cultures and all but also practices... i copied and pasted the description below. its said to air july 14 but you may want to check the times for your area.... looks interesting....
Ancient Ink:
Tattoos are an ancient ritual practiced around the world, by nearly every culture. Each culture has its own reasons for the practice, and many have unique ways to administer them. In this special, host Craig Reynolds will get tattooed, by traditional methods, while he visits these different cultures, experiencing first hand what it's like and what these tattoos mean to people. Craig's travels take him to far off places across the globe including: New Zealand, Japan, Hawaii, and Hollywood.
TV14
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/9/2008 3:44:56 PM
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faroukfarouk
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stellaluna:
I'm sure you know a lot about it: far more than me.
I thought that the art work looked good but you know more about it than me; maybe he is a young artist. Maybe too it takes some years for the tattooist to become completely professional and to develop healthy instincts about safety procedures.
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ORIGINAL: stellaluna
I have half a dozen tattoos and some large pieces among them and sanitation aside--I still would not let someone who has been a tattoo artist for one year do work on me, unless it was something very small. I certainly wouldn't spend $700 with an artist so new. You asked us to look at his work and give an opinion. I did that, as did miasma. His shading is decent if you don't look at his portraits, but his line work looks like a new artist.
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(I'm a guy. Some tattoo designs look nice, though...but I haven't worn my earrings lately. So, think the lady in the avatar is my sister?)
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/9/2008 11:52:44 PM
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spdrgrl.603
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someone made this suggestion and i'm trying it for the first time.... its a great suggestion for a safety precaution: tomorrow i'm following up with the NH Dep. of Health and the Derry Health Dept to get background info on the tattoo parlors inspection ratings (i'm looking into gothic tattoo which i had no problem with on my 2nd tattoo, precision tattoo, and wayne's tattoo world). whoever gave me this suggestion thank you.... its a good way to evaluate how safe a shop is!
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/10/2008 10:08:22 AM
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faroukfarouk
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There must be official listings of places that habe been checked and assessed, so it's worthwhile knowing about.
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(I'm a guy. Some tattoo designs look nice, though...but I haven't worn my earrings lately. So, think the lady in the avatar is my sister?)
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/10/2008 12:24:30 PM
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spdrgrl.603
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i wont be able to see the artist i'm looking at work till wed next week be/c he's at the 2nd annual tattoo expo at the radison. i did contact the state and town health departments (unfortuanately tattoo parlors aren't inspected up here. the town referred me to the state and the state said that the town didn't know that the state use to evaluate tattoo shops years ago but they dont anymore. only information i could get was if there were any complaints against the artists which there where none but i know not everyone files complaints who had problems.) and i'm making a list of tings to really look at and questions to ask. so far lee is very nice and told me sure. what questions stella or miasma do you think i should ask? things i'm really planning on observing carefully is how he sets up and cleans up.
-ps miasma thanks again for the suggestion of looking up through the health departments to see whether or not a parlors safe while it didn't work but it was a good suggestion!
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/10/2008 8:39:33 PM
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faroukfarouk
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Maybe the local authorities could have more info available about tattoo places that are inspected etc.
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(I'm a guy. Some tattoo designs look nice, though...but I haven't worn my earrings lately. So, think the lady in the avatar is my sister?)
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/11/2008 2:31:22 AM
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spdrgrl.603
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hey all! while this is hard for me i decided to go to gothic tattoo instead. not only did brenda ink for 15 yrs (her husband did a great job on mine 2nd tattoo 3 yrs ago) but she is also a dermatologist. their place is super clean. please see their link below. they use barriers which the people at wayne's dont (not even on their needle or tattoo machine!) i need help though. lee is brilliant at exageratting value (like me) he's pumping up the darks for my design but how do i get the design from him (i'm going to have gothic tattoo do it instead) w/o making him mad? picture it from an artist's perspective - you put hours into a design thinking your going to do it then some girl (me) wants someone else to ink your design. its sticky.... any ideas how i should do this? (the link for the place i'm planning on going instead is below)
http://www.myspace.com/gothictattoo
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RE: TATTOO SAFETY- MUST KNOW FOR ANYONE CONSIIDERING - 7/11/2008 10:30:14 AM
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stellaluna
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Did you give this guy a deposit? Because that's usually for the pre-work, drawing, etc. Also, where did the original design come from? Is it possible to have the new artist start over with it?
(I support your decision to go with her, by the way.)
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