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modu -> "Jesus wept" Why? (7/4/2008 11:46:04 AM)

Let us rely on spiritual revelation here.



IBorn2Worship -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/4/2008 11:54:19 AM)

I believe He wept at the grief Mary, Martha and the others endured over the death of Lazareth. I believe He was empathsizing over the depths of grief the human race goes through when a loved one dies.

Death is a horrible, horrible thing, and it is due to the result of sin. It never was meant to be that way and it brings great sorrow to the Saviour's heart to watch the results of sin...death being the ultimate.



bob97 -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/4/2008 11:58:15 AM)

I think maybe because he was part flesh and His purpose was to experience all of the turmoil known to man… thus the anguish of coming to the end of this life and the suffering that He must face. Making Him the perfect Judge and Priest on our behalf.

Bob



Machaira -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/4/2008 12:33:59 PM)

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"Jesus wept" Why?


I think generally speaking the answer is found in the fact that the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity, took on a human nature. This simply means that as a man, Jesus would have been subject to Human emotion, at least to some extent. This can be seen clearly in the Garden of Gethsemane and Jesus' weeping over Jerusalem, (Matthew 26:37-39; Luke 19:41), for example.

Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

Heb 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil . . .

Heb 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Php 2:7 but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

When considering the preceding verses the following makes perfect sense:

Joh 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in his spirit and greatly troubled.

Jesus was obviously moved by the Human predicament and the emotion it produces.

One commentator also suggests the following:

It is right, it is natural, it is indispensable for the Christian to sympathize with others in their afflictions. Rom_12:15; “rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.” - Albert Barnes on John 11:35



LCannon -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/4/2008 1:03:31 PM)

Good observations. Probably on a personal and emotional level he was entering the mourners grief and disappointment that he shared. However, on the eternal plane, he claimed and substantiated his claim to be what he claimed to be.



SpongeBlog -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/4/2008 1:51:01 PM)

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"Jesus wept" Why?


How could he not? He himself being "...a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering", and being the prophesied one who "...carried our sorrows" (Isaiah 53:3,4)



rcjames -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/4/2008 4:42:53 PM)

Jesus wept in this instance because Mary and the Jews did not believe Him.

And I believe He weeps today over those of us who do not believe Him.



Thsnks
RC



modu -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/8/2008 4:54:30 PM)

Jesus wept because in Lazarus, the expression of The Father's love in Him to give life from the dead was evidently displayed. It was the tears of love and not pain or disappointment.



Machaira -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/8/2008 5:29:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: modu

Jesus wept because in Lazarus, the expression of The Father's love in Him to give life from the dead was evidently displayed. It was the tears of love and not pain or disappointment.


The answer to your question is found within the context of the verse in question. Jesus sympathised with the sorrow of those who were weeping for Lazarus. I posted this a few posts back:

Joh 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in his spirit and greatly troubled.



modu -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/8/2008 8:02:07 PM)

Machaira,

Jesus had lots of occasions where He met people thinking like men and He been divine saw those situations in the light of God. Those people weeped because they saw the pang of death on their brother, but when Jesus saw the situation, He knew within Him that the situation was to reveal God's glory to the eyes of all. He knew, He had the power of the Father in Him not to see Lazarus as dead, because He was there as the author of Life. In that instance, He was deeply moved in the Spirit and troubled, which means the power of God in Him was greatly stirred or agitated to show His glory to those folks and the world. While they were weeping in pain, Jesus was weeping for the expression of God's love on Lazarus against the pang of death. The weeping was that of victory. If you follow the story properly, you would also know there was delay in getting to the city Lazarus lived. Why? God would never share His Glory with anyone. That is His Joy He would never compromise with, never.



Machaira -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/8/2008 8:08:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: modu

Machaira,

Jesus had lots of occasions where He met people thinking like men and He been divine saw those situations in the light of God. Those people weeped because they saw the pang of death on their brother, but when Jesus saw the situation, He knew within Him that the situation was to reveal God's glory to the eyes of all. He knew, He had the power of the Father in Him not to see Lazarus as dead, because He was there as the author of Life. In that instance, He was deeply moved in the Spirit and troubled, which means the power of God in Him was greatly stirred or agitated to show His glory to those folks and the world. While they were weeping in pain, Jesus was weeping for the expression of God's love on Lazarus against the pang of death. The weeping was that of victory. If you follow the story properly, you would also know there was delay in getting to the city Lazarus lived. Why? God would never share His Glory with anyone. That is His Joy He would never compromise with, never.


Sorry . . . the reason Jesus wept is explicitly stated --

Joh 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in his spirit and greatly troubled.

Any more than this is unwarranted conjecture.



modu -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/8/2008 9:04:38 PM)

Machaira,

When in the Holy Bible, we see such word as fear God, it those not mean the frightful of Him because He is mean, no. It simply means we should reverence Him. Fear is a component of the enemy and not of God who is love. I would never say anything or would support any interpretation of the Holy Bible that is outside the word of God. The word of God is Spiritual and we can only get the fully meaning through spiritual revelation from the Holy Spirit. There where lots of times Jesus spoke and His disciples came back to Him in private for the full meaning. I am not trying to take anything out of the word, never. The word of God is my Life. Therefore, what I am only revealing is the interpretation given to me and if you read the message carefully, you would see the interpretation is same with the action Jesus did on Lazarus. "He was deeply moved in the spirit and troubled" means, His the Spirit of God that is in fullness in Him was stirred up or agitated to show God power in love. Jesus Christ, who is the Prince of peace would never be troubled for anything. Even, in face of death for the sins of mankind, He still kept His Peace intact by submitting to the will of the heavenly Father. My good friend, I quite understand that verse, but every word of God, I mean every letter has deeper meaning and confirmed by the word of God Himself. If there is contradiction, the word of God would prove it. And, I think this is where God is trying to take the heart of the world to, where His true and willing vessels, who relies of His Spirit would be instruments to reveal His great revelations to cure souls and bring life into our activities in the world in name of Christ Jesus. Please, take time and ask the Holy Spirit to confirm into your heart if my explanation is wrong or not. Go yourself and ask the Spirit of God to speak the right revelation concerning this issue to you and I assure you within the next 7 days, He would tell you.



doublecross -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/9/2008 12:43:13 AM)

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Let us rely on spiritual revelation here.
Although he did not sin when he was tempted like we are, Jesus shared in every aspect of our humanity. Shared with our grief. Mourned with those who mourned. Because you cannot find any lies in Him, He genuinely felt the loss of a beloved friend. Just like you would a dear brother even though you know that he will go to heaven. He also felt how death can tear your heart apart.

Your saviour is also human to the last bitter teardrop.



MrFribbles -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/9/2008 12:53:47 AM)

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He genuinely felt the loss of a beloved friend. Just like you would a dear brother even though you know that he will go to heaven. He also felt how death can tear your heart apart.


*nod nod* I know that if my fiancee were to die tomorrow, she'd go to Heaven. But I'd still be miserable losing her while I'm still here on earth. Death's sting has been taken away, but it still leaves a deep ache in our hearts. It is our enemy - our defeated enemy, yes, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt us.
Jesus was sad that his friend died. He was sad that His friends were grieving. Tears are natural for anyone in that sort of emotional state.



Liveloved -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/9/2008 1:05:12 AM)

Jesus wept over Jerusalem. He knew the hardness of man's heart. But His heart is that all men be saved. That is a tremendous grief for One Who loves that much.

Jesus wept at Lazarus' tomb because man does not understand God's ways. We are so slow of heart. And, again, His heart is for us to have His mind, to be conformed to Him, to think spiritually and have His understanding. He allowed Lazarus' death to show just how much power He has---power over death to bring man into true freedom. Mary and Martha were still clinging to their ways of thinking, their understanding. He wants us to be brought into freedom.

I believe He continues to weep. . . over us.



modu -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/13/2008 10:05:50 PM)

The weeping to share God's glory, victory and not of grief. Man is limited to see death as an end, Jesus is limitless to see life in Him from the heavenly Father as above death and infinite (Eternal).



rcjones -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/16/2008 8:45:42 PM)

Many times the narratives in the gospels relate that when Jesus saw a picture of Himself in the circumstances around him, he made notice of it.

An easy one is the particular notice of the "innocent" doves being sold in the temple, just as he would be sold there.

Another is that of Zaccheaus in the tree as a picture of Christ (being made to be sin) hanging in a tree.

See http://idontknownuthin.com/wiki/index.php/Dwg:Zacchaeus_as_Christ.jpg for a drawing to correlate the picture.

In this case, Mary and Martha represent the bride as the "prostitute-virgin bride", they have a brother who's name is that of a High Priest and he is sick.

Verse 1 in double entendre and shadow says : Christ was the powerless High Priest of the House of Christ (of misery and grace), the earthly son of the dual natured bride.

He was powerless in the flesh as a priest since he was not from the tribe of Levi. He would only become High priest in his death.

Seeing this perfect shadow of his own death, he tarries to see it through. Lazarus represents Christ as priest, who dies and is resurrected, placed in the tomb and covered with a stone, "so that the Son of God can be glorified".

The shadows of Christ are always lurking underneath the written text as watermarks that glorify Christ.

I have not unpacked the whole narrative word for word, but these are the hints that show that the detailed shadow is there.

The conclusion of the chapter testifies that the shadow is intended by John:

49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

As a direct result of the death and resurrection of Lazarus, the High priest began to plot Jesus' death.



rcjones -> RE: "Jesus wept" Why? (7/16/2008 8:51:08 PM)

OOps. I forgot the OP. This was background to say that when he wept, just as others have noted :

33 ¶ When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,

By associating Lazarus death with that of His own, the deep groan was the realization that while he was in the grave, and His Father had forsaken him, the earth was desolate indeed. Where on earth could God be found. The misery of man in that condition was great indeed.

38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.

As he approached the tomb, the old temptation of Satan recurs, sin is so repulsive to him that he cannot fathom being made to be sin. His prayer is always, please take this cup from me, nevertheless, not my will but thine be done.

He is pre-living the agony of the cross and separation from the Father.



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