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bkj -> Watching Porn and Masturbating Isn't The Same As Cheating...Is it? (7/5/2008 7:16:10 AM)


I just had the craziest dream that my wife was unfaithful. It was the worst feeling in the world. She had slept with another man in an office of some kind where we all worked. I had the sickest feeling in my stomach. I was disgusted and enraged. So much so, that I woke up from my dream.

As I sat in my bed attempting to ponder how upset I would be if that event ever really took place, I felt like the Spirit of God brought to my mind a revelation. The Holy Ghost revealed to me that every time I masturbate or watch pornography, and confess it to my wife, she feels that same disgust and outrage due to my infidelity.

Infidelity? For the longest time I couldn’t understand it. What was the big deal? It wasn’t as if I was really cheating on her. My rationale was, I’d rather satisfy myself when I feel that urge instead of really going out and finding someone else. I could see how she could be a little upset, but she should be “happy” that I chose this route instead of the latter.

It was my sin. This was something that was exclusively between God and I. My own problem with lust that I had to get over myself, but to her it was all the same. Getting that enjoyment and fulfillment from another source and not honoring her and the sacredness of our marriage was the same as cheating on her directly.

In my dream, when I found out what she had done I was ready to pack my things and leave. My whole world was crushed. I had suicidal thoughts, homicidal thoughts and wondered how I would get back at her. It was truly an unfathomable thought that she would ever do that to me. But then I thought to myself, you can’t leave. You have been doing the same thing to her for years.

I have apologized for my actions to her in the past, and while I was truly sorry, I lacked the understanding of what my actions were truly doing to her and putting her through. After that dream, I felt like someone had literally kicked me in the stomach. My whole world was rocked. If I truly love my wife, there is no way that I can keep putting her through something that hurtful. On the flip side, though my wife truly loves me, there is no way anyone can be expected to keep enduring that extreme feeling of pain over and over and remain in a marriage.

There was an incident a few years back at my church when I had to aid a couple going through an affair. The husband was clearly caught in the act of sleeping with another woman, and I remember judging him. I thought to myself, how could you be so stupid? How could you do that to your wife? Now I find myself asking those same questions with my finger pointed in my own direction.

Maybe your wife isn’t like mine. Maybe I’m crazy and you can’t relate to anything I just said. That’s fine. Maybe you are going to exploit the fact that I have exposed my weakness on paper and make some funny comment about my situation. Maybe you will judge me as I judged my brother in Christ a few years back.

Or

Maybe you are someone who has imperfections. Maybe you’re glad that there is someone out there going through the same things as you. The worst feeling in the world is to go through something and feel as if there is no one to relate to what you’re going through.

Who do you talk to about an addiction to pornography when you are a respected leader in your church? Who do you tell that you and your wife have sex less and less frequent, to the point where you feel unfulfilled and frustrated? I have watched various programs, read books, prayed for my wife’s desire to increase or mine to decrease. I have tried to give of myself and be considerate of her needs. I have searched for “real” answers. Oddly enough, the truest form of reality came from a movie, “I Think I Love My Wife”, by Chris Rock.

Warning: There is offensive language and blunt truth, and due to that fact I wouldn't recommend it to you. The fact of the matter is, that movie dealt with real issues and questions that people have. That is what people are looking for: real answers to real issues.

God instituted marriage and blessed the marital bond. If Chris Rock can talk about marriage and staying faithful to his wife despite the temptations and pitfalls this world presents, how much more should we as Christians be able to do likewise.

The church is built to reach “real” people and “real” people have “real” issues. If you can’t talk about your issues in the church and to God, then where will we turn? Just because I’m born again doesn’t mean that there is no sin evident in my life. If anything being born again illuminates the fact that I have sin in my life and allows me to see my need for God to forgive that sin and to help me overcome through the blood of Christ. Sin is never acceptable and always inexcusable, but ever present and needs to be dealt with.

How hypocritical we have become. A people who judge from the outside and point the finger at those whose sin is no greater than our own. Then we wonder why people don’t come through the church doors. They are intimidated. They feel as if the church is for people who have it together. Imagine that. An organization filled with perfect people who do no wrong. Who wouldn’t want to join a place like that? It is only when we expose our problems, shortcomings, flaws, and become transparent that we can become healed.

“Confess your sins one to another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.”
James 5:16

I am not an authority on the subject, I simply have confessed my sin and ask that you would pray for me that I may be healed and made whole.




BlackCapnHarlock -> RE: Watching Porn and Masturbating Isn't The Same As Cheating...Is it? (7/5/2008 8:31:09 AM)

I love porn and hot looking female porn stars. With that being said, I LOVE GOD more. GOD says porn is sin.
So bye bye porn.

That's pretty much it. As for it being adultery, it is. Look at JESUS' words.

Matthew chapter 5 verses 27-28

27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Porn was around even in JESUS' day and real popular with the elites who decorated the walls of their estates with it. He knew what he was saying here.

When we dudes or ladies watch porn we imagine that we are in the act with the person. It's spiritual adultery pure and simple whether you masturbate or not. If you had the choice of watching a porn star on film or actually have sex with one, you would opt for the latter, right? Yep it's adultery and we are in sin when we indulge in it.

That is why attractive porn stars make more money than ugly porn stars. Feeds the fantasy fuels the lust. The sad part is folks in the industry know this and they don't respect their fans, or purchasers. You are just $$$$ to them and a loser who can't get a chick as hot as them in real life.

If you know how porn stars and strippers actually viewed their "fans" you wouldn't buy any of their products ever again.

It's up to us to cut this garbage out, serve GOD and work on our relationship as you indicated in a genuine way. Porn isnt' reality, it's fantasy, even the porn stars will tell you that. Stop trying to live a fantasy life and start living for JESUS CHRIST.




19ramman85 -> RE: Watching Porn and Masturbating Isn't The Same As Cheating...Is it? (7/5/2008 11:14:03 AM)

I know were you are coming from. And I won't judge you - namely because it aint in my human job description.

In one point in my life- I too was involved in porno for many years. Yes- like you, to a point- I still have a few issues in regard to it, not as serious complicated as yours- but none the less. I still deal w/ it- even after 15 yrs of supposedly being - "Born Again".


That being said- IMHO- YES! Looking and getting ones jollies off of porn, whether single OR married, is sinful. Period!


Mostly because it lowers the value of sexual pleasure by several values, and increases the likelyhood that one would look at the opposite sex as more of a sexual pleasure type thing- rather than the unique God type person they really are.

It is also the flesh giving pleasure to the flesh- which we are oh so warned about many, many times in the Bible to avoid at all costs. A good example? King David and Bathsheba.

It already sounds like you are truly on the road to repentance in this regards![sm=thumbsup.gif][sm=thumbsup.gif][sm=thumbsup.gif]

It will be hard and very difficult to over-come, but you can do it- if you want!


And Satan will try his darndest to get you back in that old habit, even to the old arguement (and a very tired one at that!) - "its not really cheating". Because in a sense- and like you (kinda) pointed out, you are violating the marriage bed- by getting your jollies off of other women, and not just your wife- whom should be the only one in that regard.


There was an incident a few years back at my church when I had to aid a couple going through an affair. The husband was clearly caught in the act of sleeping with another woman, and I remember judging him. I thought to myself, how could you be so stupid?

Now that you have had that for a revelation- ask God to forgive you for your ignorance in that regards- and learn from it!.

Maybe your wife isn’t like mine.

You're right! and neither are the rest of them (Praise the Lord on that one, eh/ lol)


Maybe you are someone who has imperfections.

If I could sell mine- I wouldn't have to work for a living- you too?


The worst feeling in the world is to go through something and feel as if there is no one to relate to what you’re going through.
Sometimes I wonder if this is one of ol Beelzeebub's way of controllng us.

Who do you talk to about an addiction to pornography when you are a respected leader in your church?

Okay- this is going to bite ya a bit - but it sounds an awful lot like PRIDE to me. You need to get over that. For there isn't NOBODY, in the whole word who hasn't sinned against God. ANd- if anybody tries to tell you different - tell them they are a hypocrite !

But please do use the resources at your Church - Minister, CHristian Counselor, and amybe someone you really, really trust.

And Keep Coming Back Here!



Who do you tell that you and your wife have sex less and less frequent, to the point where you feel unfulfilled and frustrated?

Not sure; 1) How old you are, 2) how long you've been married- but
even in my marriage I had those same issues. I really didn't understand for the longest time- "why", that was. But then, it dawned on me- I m getting older (I am now 47 and my wife is 50).

It finally dawned on me that now that I am older- my need for sex, isn't as great, nor as important as it was, even compared to five yrs ago- and the same for my wife. And the same sounds like it is happening to you.



How hypocritical we have become. A people who judge from the outside and point the finger at those whose sin is no greater than our own.

What do you mean- have become? Its been that way since Adam/Eve!


Then we wonder why people don’t come through the church doors. They are intimidated. They feel as if the church is for people who have it together. Imagine that. An organization filled with perfect people who do no wrong. Who wouldn’t want to join a place like that? It is only when we expose our problems, shortcomings, flaws, and become transparent that we can become healed.

Yup- know where you are coming rom there!

I used to think that also- that Church is for those who have a better relationship with God, were more perfect than I, and all those other tired-out don't go to Church because excuses. Heck- I still even battle the old - God doesn't want/love/care about me, and all the other assorted blah blah blah excuses.



An organization filled with perfect people who do no wrong. Who wouldn’t want to join a place like that?

You're right- that would be a nice place to join- unfortunately- it doesn't exist!



charles




evryknee -> RE: Watching Porn and Masturbating Isn't The Same As Cheating...Is it? (7/6/2008 6:54:55 PM)

bkj - Praise God that he used your dreams to point out the seriousness of your sin in regards to your the sins against your wife. These sins, IMO, do the same to God, too. The fact that you could hear Him talking to you and humbling you is a testimony to God's work in your life.

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Who do you talk to about an addiction to pornography when you are a respected leader in your church? Who do you tell that you and your wife have sex less and less frequent, to the point where you feel unfulfilled and frustrated?


This is a big problem in the church, and with men, as a whole. I have noticed that there are so many men, including myself, that do not have those real close relationships with other men to talk about such things. Even this chat site is impersonal (but better than nothing). And I agree, that alot of that is pride that keeps us from talking to others about these things, but I also think that it is because we have such a difficult time forming intimate relationships with other men. Fears of rejection, pride, quietness, amidst a few other things, certainly.




terryjohn -> RE: Watching Porn and Masturbating Isn't The Same As Cheating...Is it? (7/10/2008 4:35:39 PM)

Pornography is an interesting problem. On one hand we are to deny that there is any beauty in the female form and frankly any man who does not see it and says there is not, is a lair and the truth is not in him. The problem with all beauty a man sees is that he needs to desire it, to have it and this leads to all manner of sin for the sake of poccessing it. Whether it be a woman, a car, a house or any other beautiful object, our covetting of such things, leads us from Gods side. Hence, even single people are gulty of adultery.

Mt 5:28 - But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

You could say even to want to marry a woman, you would have had to committ adultery before you married her for the adultery is about leaving your first love God Himself. Therefore there is no man alive who is not guilty at some stage of adultery despite their protests. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Now with regard to love, I see it as scripture puts it, as nothing that my wife should have an affair with another for love never fails, it keeps no record or wrongs, it always trust, it always hopes otherwiase, it always forgives. In the end, it is not my sin but would be hers. Hopefully, however, I should never be the cause of this ever happening. By faith my conscience is clear and there is no fear of this happening and if it should I would be sad, but not angry and seek to correct that lead to such a fall in peace, love and faith.

Faith makes pornography nothing. Our desire should be towards God for He is a jealous lover, hence the commandments about being drawn away from Him through our desires for the things of this world. Given the destructiveness of pornography it is a wonder we men return to it to disgrace and dishonour themselves with it. All the feelings of guilt and failure associated with it are justified and in the end it is not worth it, but being faithful when it is so easy to be otherwise is all joy for it brings honour, and glory. This gospel then talks about being born again by the transforming of our minds and hearts and about being set free from the law of sin and death. I then marvel that this may then actually be possible. If we then should ask God to show us the truth of the matter we may begin to grow sick at the evil in porn.

There are many things we can not share with men when God should be our first port of call. The Church is by association with God seen to be holy and they cannot be blamed for that, but their confession is and has always been, we are all saved by grace and faith alone and not that of ourselves. If anyman then have a problem with the saints, they have a problem with Christ too.

In the end, all men should get angry at their unworthiness and sin and attempt to move heaven and hell to be otherwise, for the since the time of John the baptist, the kingdom of God has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men have being laying hold of it.




19ramman85 -> RE: Watching Porn and Masturbating Isn't The Same As Cheating...Is it? (7/12/2008 12:14:57 AM)

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terryjohn ........... The problem with all beauty a man sees is that he needs to desire it, to have it and this leads to all manner of sin for the sake of poccessing it.


Boy do I disagree w/ that statement!

Lust, for practical purposes = a strong deire for something you don't have.

Even in my wild younger days- admists all the porn, and alcohol, I can honestly say- that there were very few and far in-between instances, where I actually - "LUSTED", for a woman! Sure- I may have looked at her beauti (and in regards to porn- gotten my, "pleasure") - but to "Lust" for it? Not really!

And I think most men here will say the same thing.


quote:

terryjohn ........ You could say even to want to marry a woman, you would have had to committ adultery before you married her for the adultery is about leaving your first love God Himself.


1) There are a lot of married folk out there- that never had sex before marriage (Granted, mine isn't one of them- but thats a different story)
2) Sex before marriage is called fornication.
3) Adultry is someone having sex w/ another- MARRIED,person who isn't your (their) spouse.
4) According to what Jesus taught about - DIVORCE, at least 50% of marriages today - yes- even those, nice looking Christian marriages - are in danger of Hell-fire- Becasue according to Jesus in Matt. 5:32/ 19:9 and others, that if a man divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness- he has committed adultery (the same applies to the woman, I am told).


-charles




jn1010lf -> RE: Watching Porn and Masturbating Isn't The Same As Cheating...Is it? (7/12/2008 10:12:35 AM)

Hello bkj

Are you a Christian? Is it possible that the Holy Spirit isn't impinging upon you to do something about porn? It robs a guy of love. Your wife is subjected to the ugly spirit that you take in every time you view porn.

Put it down and get closer to the Lord. Ask Him to give you new wants that are of Him. Believe me, I can tell you from experience that porn produces a slow spiritual death, so you need to deal with this. Get help. There are ministries that can help. If your Pastor cannot help, find one that can.




Raptorman -> RE: Watching Porn and Masturbating Isn't The Same As Cheating...Is it? (7/14/2008 10:02:22 PM)

Bkj, I love your post. It really gets me thinking.

For me, pornography has been a huge issue, stumbling block, pitfall, or whatever you want to call it. For the Christian man who wants to worship God but finds his unbridled tendency to lust barging itself into his path, porn is a stubborn and determined dragon. It is hard to resist, difficult to slay, and even if you succeed in "killing" it, this dragon has more leases on life than Jason Vorhees. Quite inevitably, it will come back and haunt you. I know that I want to grow past this habit, this disgusting and malignant tumor that grieves the Holy Spirit whenever I give in to its attractive whispers. Personally, I desperately want God to bestow me with a loving and beautiful wife. I may be only 21 years of age, but it gets frustrating beyond reason when you have never even had a date at my age, and all your friends are getting married left and right. I would do anything at all, if it could end my lonely singlehood and give me a romantic companion to whom I can fully give myself. But how can I expect or ask for that blessing if I break God's commands with such a vigorous regularity? Why would she join with a man who has not even been able to restrain his own lust, for her sake, and for the pleasure of God?

As I have stated before to other men in this forum, I would be honored to pray for you, along with all the other men struggling with pornography. God knows we all need support on this from time to time.

With the utmost sincerity, from your brother in Christ,
Raptorman




jdurham -> RE: Watching Porn and Masturbating Isn't The Same As Cheating...Is it? (7/15/2008 1:03:40 PM)

uhhhh....YEP it is....




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