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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/7/2008 3:54:02 PM
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Well, some people had things happen to them like, uh, getting deathly sick their senior year of college, and taking years to recover, and um had a couple different jobs, but healthwise couldn't keep up..
Be careful before you judge.
Hello OneOfHisJewels. I think you may have taken my post personally when I wasn't referring to your situation in the least bit. Hopefully my PM will clarify a little more but let me know if not.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/7/2008 7:15:53 PM
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This is a loaded question.
I feel like the correct, "Christian-y" answer is something like, "Oh, of course not! It doesn't matter at all! That's just worldly and materialistic to consider it!" And that's probably the answer I would have given at 23. But at 43...not so much.
For one thing, your career choice says a lot about you. While I know a lot of "Group Three" people whom I would be very glad to NOT marry, when a man tells me that he is, say, a doctor, I know immediately that he, at least for a time in his life, had to prove himself intelligent, disciplined, and capable of delaying gratification. (It's pretty hard to keep your head down in your school books for an extra six years when everyone else is already out of college and earning a grown-up's paycheck!) Those are all qualities that I value highly. Of course I require more, but those are all God-honoring traits and it's a good place to start.
Yes, I know that people from all walks of life posses these qualities. But if I can see some clues like that right up front, you bet I'll follow up on them.
Someone else may value the traits of people who tend to drift toward the ministry. Others may value the traits that military/law enforcement types typically suggest. That's fine. It's supposed to be that way. There's a lid for every pot, you know? There's nothing wrong with knowing at the git-go you belong to a skillet, not a saucepan.
For another thing, your career affects every part of your life. Who your friends are, where you live, who your children go to school with, how much free time you have, and how you are able to spend it. If you marry outside your own "career group", you had better have a very, very strong sense of yourself, or you can find yourself living some kind of life that you don't even recognize.
My parents are pretty much group 4. Farmers. But they had a "Group 3" mentality, and all my siblings, their spouses and myself all have advanced degrees. This doesn't make us any better people than those who don't. It's just something that we all value, and it is where God has led us.
My first husband was from Group 4. We had so many much more serious issues that we never got around to this one, but it definitely didn't make things any easier.
I have dated men from all groups. (Except the model group. Gee. Not a lot of those on my dance card. But, shoot, if one had asked, I probably would have gone on at least one date!) It seems that my healthiest, most succesful relationships to date have all been group 3. Therefore, I can only deduce that, yeah, it matters to me.
Current Person Of Interest is in a Group 3 job, but he is in a Group 4 field; he is a runner, so that makes him a little Group 5, and he is a volunteer fireman, so that makes him Group 2, too. Hm. He's too shy for the ministry, so that knocks out Group 1. And he's never mentioned any Victoria's Secret work...
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/7/2008 9:50:52 PM
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I think, initially, job titles can impress us, but it's not going to make us fall in love with the person. Of course, if one is real shallow and insecure and needs something to compensate, that person might fall in love with someone with an attractive job title. I'm shallow to a degree, so if you tell me you're an Everest climber, I'll probably start melting....lol. But no, it's not gonna make me fall in love with you unless you treat me right.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/7/2008 10:02:26 PM
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titles do initially impress me, BUT they do not attract me nor do they hold my attention.
the only exception would be the title Preacher Man. i would be attracted to a strong-natured, speak-it-like-it-is-Paul-the-Apostle type....the only problem is that i would more than likely be intimidated and uncomfortable (like suddenly being under a microscope)....unless he was kind and totally not like that. then i might be okay.
beyond the Preacher Man title, i am, when it comes down to it, attracted to the rough-around-the-edges types, the man's man, no matter what his position.
so i'm a marshmallow for the blue-collar and military types (no matter high or low their rank or position) : construction workers, policemen, Army/Navy/Airforce/Marines, and the like. 
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/7/2008 10:09:22 PM
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so i'm a marshmallow for the blue-collar and military types (no matter high or low their rank or position) : construction workers, policemen, Army/Navy/Airforce/Marines, and the like
I'm the same. I've dated mostly men in uniforms. Somehow, I'm not attracted to preachers, but I'm attracted to men with very strong convictions. As long as they don't sound preachy. I'm also attracted construction workers and men that wears tool belts and hard hats. Mountaineers really make my knees week too.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 8:32:29 AM
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Yes, a job title does affect the attractiveness of any fellow I consider. Before joining a few online dating sites, I would have said no. But the truth is, you can tell a lot about a person by their job title.
For instance, right now in my matches I have a "fitness coordinator", a "bread baker", "commercial realtor", "Life Scientist, federal government", someone who trains terrorism special response teams, "teacher", someone who deals in precious metals, "manager", and a "general manager in the food industry".
A fitness coordinator is going to take one look at me and head for the high hills...or the nearest gymn. And if he doesn't, I'm likely to be a "project" for him. Not a good way to start a relationship.
I wonder if a "bread baker" can make enough money to support our family.
Commercial realtor? Maybe so. If he handles his money right and is a good salesman, it could be a nice life, with plenty of time together and free time to minister as well.
Life Scientist, federal government--ditto above with one possible concern: is he a liberal environmentalist? If so, then no deal.
Someone who trains terrorism special response teams actually sounds very attractive to me. This person would be hired for their skill, responsibility and discipline. They would need a safe and happy place to be at home. There is an implied intelligence, and a certain amount of security in knowing that he is trusted to do such a thing by those who hire him.
A teacher is good. We'd be poor, but I've btdt before, and I'm a teacher-type myself. But I would really need to explore the situation, because not all teachers are good, wise, and dedicated.
"Someone who deals in precious metals". Hmmm. This could be a legitimate job, or it could be some loopy ne'erdowell who thinks the world is going to end and goes around getting people to invest in precious metals so they can live when it does. Tick off 10 points.
"Manager" needs to be a little more specific. What does he manage? Walmart? Dell? A pet store? His tin foil collection?
"General Manager in the food industry" is a possibility. Could be he makes a living, or not. Could be he's got an 8-5, or could be he travels a lot or has an erratic schedule. Not deal breakers, but definitely something to know before committing to anything, even a first date.
I hope the above has illustrated my point.  
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 9:37:29 AM
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Before joining a few online dating sites, I would have said no. But the truth is, you can tell a lot about a person by their job title.
I totally agree and this is one the points I was trying to make. The type of job a person is willing to take can say a lot about that person's character.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 11:36:06 AM
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Before joining a few online dating sites, I would have said no. But the truth is, you can tell a lot about a person by their job title.
I totally agree and this is one the points I was trying to make. The type of job a person is willing to take can say a lot about that person's character.
okay, i gotta ask.....
i'm giggling as i write all this, so keep that in mind as you read on, k?
What about the situation where someone starts at "the bottom" of a company and works their way up? Like a janitor up to president of a company. I have heard many stories like that before.
So what if you met this man while he is still at "the bottom" as a janitor? Would you, based on his title, just mentally strike him off your dating prospects list or pass right by his online dating profile?
On the other hand, what about a man that has an attractive job title, but -- as we hear on the news all time -- they are corrupt or have vices that aren't seen till it's too late?
And then, take me, just for an instance. i am a receptionist/legal assistant for a small, but very reputable law firm. Sounds kinda stuffy? i am SO not stuffy. Actually, i am very creative and artsy and poetic. My ideal job would be :
1. to be the one that comes up with more new names for Crayola Crayons, and tests them
2. testing finger paints, watercolors and colored sidewalk chalk
3. writing poetry for a living (HA!)....poets are usually discovered AFTER they die and they usually didn't live off their pen talents.
4. a nature walk leader for a state park
5. tending to butterflies on a butterfly farm
6. fishing all day
7. writing in my journal for a living / blogging
8. reading children's books to children all the time at some library
9. writing children's books .....a viable career, but one can't usually make a living from this, although in some cases this does happen
10. testing playground equipment all day
.......but i am a single mom who has to think about 401K, health insurance, steady hours, steady paychecks. i have no choice. i also can't relocate because i am divorced and my daughter's visitation with her daddy would be impaired/difficult.
So, i'd rather be taking care of butterflies or writing poetry and getting $1,000 a poem.....but i'm in a stuffy white-collar job. What about me?
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 12:01:24 PM
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Does a job title affect attractiveness?? To An extent........yes
I will be the first to say that the inside of the cup is more important than the outisde of the cup, however, that being said....sometimes things such as a persons job title can give an indication to a persons heart and inner man. An example would be....if the gal's job title is "Exotic Dancer"...that would be a turn-off and cause her to be totally unattractive to me. If guy had a job title, I am assuming that we are talking about born-again believers here, man or woman, if the guy had a job title such as a bartender, or a dealer at a casino, then that would taint how I would view such a person.
Ultimately, though, speaking in generalities, if a man or a woman has sought out the Lord in their lives and is truly where the Lord presently wants them to be vocationally, then who would I be to criticize or denegrate that? But, as a single christian man desiring marriage one day, I do have the freedom(as much as the Lord permits in my life) to reject such a person for consideration for a relationship based on how I internally perceive their "job title".
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 2:46:28 PM
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.......but i am a single mom who has to think about 401K, health insurance, steady hours, steady paychecks. i have no choice. i also can't relocate because i am divorced and my daughter's visitation with her daddy would be impaired/difficult.
So, i'd rather be taking care of butterflies or writing poetry and getting $1,000 a poem.....but i'm in a stuffy white-collar job. What about me?
I'm not exactly sure how to answer the question but I will try. I appreciate the fact that you are very honest about your expectations. That way, anyone who approaches your is fully aware of where you stand although it may narrow the list potential suitors a bit. It's not fair if the expectations haven't been disclosed and the script flips later on into the relationship. There are women who aspire to being SAHMs or SAHWs and that's perfectly fine too as long as they are honest about it because there are men who are looking for that type of woman. If you can find a man that is able to support you (while you pursue your passion) that's great.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 4:09:32 PM
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Before joining a few online dating sites, I would have said no. But the truth is, you can tell a lot about a person by their job title.
I totally agree and this is one the points I was trying to make. The type of job a person is willing to take can say a lot about that person's character.
What about the situation where someone starts at "the bottom" of a company and works their way up? Like a janitor up to president of a company. I have heard many stories like that before.
So what if you met this man while he is still at "the bottom" as a janitor? Would you, based on his title, just mentally strike him off your dating prospects list or pass right by his online dating profile?
As a housekeeper in a medical facility, I like this thought . If that is all you know about me, and you base your opinion of me on it, I am afraid you're be sadly waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off- though more power to ya Unless you know why I am currently working in this position, what I have done in the past, and what jobs people have suggested I take instead, you'll probably never realize that I am in this job because I LIKE it- the physical and social (I hate, hate, hate desk jobs), as well as the ministry aspects, keep me here. I've thought about going somewhere else, but I'd miss the people too much. I've thought about another position, but it would limit the opportunities I have. I'll take the 'lowly' title and keep the great job, thanks!
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 4:24:03 PM
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That is true kuku. I can't even imagine you in a desk job.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 5:02:59 PM
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My mother was a high school drop out and my father never got further than that, although he did graduate, yet both of them were two of the most intelligent people I've ever known. From my father I learned how to disassemble almost any kind of machine, diagnose it's problem and put back together again. From my mother I got a love of reading.
You would never know that neither had any formal education.
Because of that, a persons title has virtually no effect on my attraction to a women.
Now if I met a woman who said she was a Victoria's Secret model or a Playboy Playmate I believe I would sit up and pay closer attention. But if she turned out to dumb as a fence post, that'd ruin it for good.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 5:28:02 PM
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My mother was a high school drop out and my father never got further than that, although he did graduate, yet both of them were two of the most intelligent people I've ever known. From my father I learned how to disassemble almost any kind of machine, diagnose it's problem and put back together again. From my mother I got a love of reading.
You would never know that neither had any formal education.
I was going to address something like this earlier. Education and intelligence are two very different things. My dad is a mechanic and is very intelligent. I will watch him sit outside for an hour or two just looking up at the trees. Later that day, he is hooking up the truck and chain to the tree and will pull it down perfectly (he's done that hundreds of times). I can't say that for many engineers. (Once, an engineer came to our next door neighbor to pull a tree down... and it landed on our brand new above-ground pool!)
That said, a person's values say a LOT to me. And there are certain professions that draw people with blue-collar values (generally, ultra-conservatives). Nothing against ultra-conservatives, but they will not agree with the kind of work I do and I will not agree with some of their values. As long as we do not talk about work and certain hot-topics, I have no problem with blue-collar workers and ultra-conservatives. (And, btw, I am a conservative, just not "ultra").
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 6:02:46 PM
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Yes, a job title does affect the attractiveness of any fellow I consider. Before joining a few online dating sites, I would have said no. But the truth is, you can tell a lot about a person by their job title.
For instance, right now in my matches I have a "fitness coordinator", a "bread baker", "commercial realtor", "Life Scientist, federal government", someone who trains terrorism special response teams, "teacher", someone who deals in precious metals, "manager", and a "general manager in the food industry".
A fitness coordinator is going to take one look at me and head for the high hills...or the nearest gymn. And if he doesn't, I'm likely to be a "project" for him. Not a good way to start a relationship.
I wonder if a "bread baker" can make enough money to support our family.
Commercial realtor? Maybe so. If he handles his money right and is a good salesman, it could be a nice life, with plenty of time together and free time to minister as well.
Life Scientist, federal government--ditto above with one possible concern: is he a liberal environmentalist? If so, then no deal.
Someone who trains terrorism special response teams actually sounds very attractive to me. This person would be hired for their skill, responsibility and discipline. They would need a safe and happy place to be at home. There is an implied intelligence, and a certain amount of security in knowing that he is trusted to do such a thing by those who hire him.
A teacher is good. We'd be poor, but I've btdt before, and I'm a teacher-type myself. But I would really need to explore the situation, because not all teachers are good, wise, and dedicated.
"Someone who deals in precious metals". Hmmm. This could be a legitimate job, or it could be some loopy ne'erdowell who thinks the world is going to end and goes around getting people to invest in precious metals so they can live when it does. Tick off 10 points.
"Manager" needs to be a little more specific. What does he manage? Walmart? Dell? A pet store? His tin foil collection?
"General Manager in the food industry" is a possibility. Could be he makes a living, or not. Could be he's got an 8-5, or could be he travels a lot or has an erratic schedule. Not deal breakers, but definitely something to know before committing to anything, even a first date.
I hope the above has illustrated my point.
besiderself
I am right there with you! Does it tell you all you need to know about a man? No way. But does it offer some clues that you'd better pay attention to? Oh, yeah.....
(For some reason, that "Precious Metals" career made me imagine some guy hawking jewelry late at nights on QVC. Hm. Could do worse. Aren't you sorta a night owl? And you might get some good bling out of the deal...)
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 6:40:46 PM
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So I've noticed not a lot of guys here have spoken up- I'll put in my 2 pence..
I do differentiate when it comes to job title, but I've done and read enough resumes to know you can spin any title to mean anything.. That said, I would definitely be more intrigued by a young lady who is a secret agent or executive than say, a copy editor at a country living magazine.. but as it was mentioned earlier, like looks, it can only carry a relationship so far.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 6:45:21 PM
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Before joining a few online dating sites, I would have said no. But the truth is, you can tell a lot about a person by their job title.
I totally agree and this is one the points I was trying to make. The type of job a person is willing to take can say a lot about that person's character.
okay, i gotta ask.....
i'm giggling as i write all this, so keep that in mind as you read on, k?
So what if you met this man while he is still at "the bottom" as a janitor? Would you, based on his title, just mentally strike him off your dating prospects list or pass right by his online dating profile?
(If we were in our 20's, yeah, it would be worth a look. But since I'm in my 40's and he would be, too...no. By this time, he'd have either started climbing up or he's just all talk. so, no.)
On the other hand, what about a man that has an attractive job title, but -- as we hear on the news all time -- they are corrupt or have vices that aren't seen till it's too late?
(That's the risk you take with dating in general. Has nothing to do with careers. You can meet seriously charming psychopaths in Sunday School, good-looking men who stop bathing after marriage, physically affectionate men who later decide they're gay--all kinds of things. Oh well. That's why we date, and don't just choose our spouses from the Spiegel catalog. )
So, i'd rather be taking care of butterflies or writing poetry and getting $1,000 a poem.....but i'm in a stuffy white-collar job. What about me?
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 6:52:50 PM
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That's why we date, and don't just choose our spouses from the Spiegel catalog.
Speigel? Was it named after Sam Speigel, and does that catalog still exist?
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 7:02:08 PM
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I think perhaps an even better indicator of what job they have now, is what job does the person aspire to have and why? That, to me, can indicate a lot more about the person's passions and values.
As a guy, though, I don't care as much about her job title (assuming it's not something immoral like a stripper) and more about her values. does she work hard? does she value her kids (when she gets them)? and so forth. What kind of life, if she could choose, would she like to have?
Then again, I may think more this way because many of the girls I know now are still in college...but I also think this works out in the working world too.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 7:45:52 PM
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In most cases, it's people's attitude towards their job that would indicate the type of person they are, not the job itself. For example, I'm an accountant. I don't look like one, or act like one. I have no pocket protector, or glasses. I like my job, and to a degree, I'm using my skills as an accountant in my day to day decision making in life that's not work related.
Do I like my job? It's ok. It pays great. But I have no passion for it. Right now, I'd rather have a comfortable job so that I eliminate all the financial worries while raising my child. I greatly appreciate the job I have. I can focus on other things because of the lack of stress in my job. I do have plans for my next job, which would be after I retire. I'd like to be an outdoors search and rescue technician (I'm not sure if that's what they are called). But until then, I'm quite happy that God has blessed me with such an easy career that allows me to place my priority on my family. I can truly say I work to live, instead of I live to work.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 7:48:04 PM
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I think perhaps an even better indicator of what job they have now, is what job does the person aspire to have and why? That, to me, can indicate a lot more about the person's passions and values.
As a guy, though, I don't care as much about her job title (assuming it's not something immoral like a stripper) and more about her values. does she work hard? does she value her kids (when she gets them)? and so forth. What kind of life, if she could choose, would she like to have?
Then again, I may think more this way because many of the girls I know now are still in college...but I also think this works out in the working world too.
Exactly, vikingfan! Exactly!!
I want to be a stay-at-home wife and mother. I believe those "jobs" are the highest callings a woman has. I believe that childrearing ought to be done primarily by the parents, in the home... where nurturing and teaching begin at birth (even before birth, if much of the research is accurate). The parents are the most important teachers, caregivers, and spiritual mentors of kids. And that's what I want to do with my husband. (Currently, hypothetical husband, since I'm a singleton!)
I'd be willing to also bring in extra income. The volunteer work I do now and the hobbies I have all lend themselves to doing freelance work or part-time work. I'd continue to do most of them over the course of the rest of my life, even while raising kids. (Taking into account the fact that the seasons of childrearing place varying levels and kinds of demands on one's time and energy.) Even my current full-time job has given me skills that I will carry with me.
And... I believe that my life experiences, talents, skills, and abilities also lend themselves to being a wonderful wife and mom!
So... my challenge is really to display that I really would make a great wife and mother and "domestic engineer."
And to choose wisely a husband from among those men who are ardently looking forward to being a husband and father, as well as excelling in whatever job/career they have chosen.
Job title/career of a man really isn't so much the big deal..... rather, the very thing vikingfan described above is the "big deal." And compatibility has a lot to do with it.... compatibility of values, goals, beliefs, attitudes. The two people in the couple don't have to have the exact same set, but they are a stronger couple if their sets of values, goals, beliefs, attitudes, and priorities contain things that the one can deal with about the other.... and even appreciate about the other person.
Make sense? 
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 10:01:54 PM
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Nah. Job titles do not impress me. I work with lots of professional people, and have met many people in big important positions ... the person behind the title may be impressive, or they may not. Similar for someone with a "plain jane" kind of title ... it's really the person doing the job that catches my attention. What's their work ethic? How do they relate to people? Those are more important in my book that the title they hold.
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RE: Does a job title affect attractiveness?? - 7/8/2008 10:09:57 PM
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I am more affected at the attractiveness of a book title!!!
but seriously, if I am with someone who keeps mentioning their job title, like they are drawing up their identity on it, like it is supposed to mean anything at all.... it makes them look shallow, kind of fruity..... you see this happen at CW a little bit LOLOLOL rofl!!!!
in my bible study there is (as I call it) a dumb person who has a master's in psychology. he keeps mentioning it .... all the time... "hi my name is ****** and i have a master's degree".... "i believe in the trinity, and i have a master's degree" "i disagree with you, and I have a master's degree"
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