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RE: Baptist - 7/8/2008 12:30:16 PM
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That is one thing all Baptists do seem to agree upon, the church social/dinner. 
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Even the CRC can agree on that - our church turned it into an art form such that we've got kind of a Communion Phase 1 (juice/wine and bread) and a Communion Phase 2 ('taters, BBQ, pie...)
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RE: Baptist - 7/8/2008 12:56:45 PM
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 My SBC church doesn't have food functions very often.
No "Communion Phase 2" seems like signs of an obvious spiritual issue ....;)
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RE: Baptist - 7/8/2008 7:47:54 PM
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The reason I asked about the Baptist Is because I have been told that some believe in osas and some believe as I do that you can lose your salvation.But they both say they get their Doctrine from the Bible.That's not possible.The Bible does not teach it both ways.How can the Baptists be so right If some teach and believe one way and others teach and believe the other?I'm a Nazarene,but their is only one sect of Nazarene.There isn't all these different sects.I've been in the Baptist teaching now for a little over 30 yrs and I find them so confusing.I'd go some where else,but the Nazarene churches around here are too far away.
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RE: Baptist - 7/8/2008 10:38:03 PM
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The reason I asked about the Baptist Is because I have been told that some believe in osas and some believe as I do that you can lose your salvation.But they both say they get their Doctrine from the Bible.That's not possible.The Bible does not teach it both ways.How can the Baptists be so right If some teach and believe one way and others teach and believe the other?I'm a Nazarene,but their is only one sect of Nazarene.There isn't all these different sects.I've been in the Baptist teaching now for a little over 30 yrs and I find them so confusing.I'd go some where else,but the Nazarene churches around here are too far away.
I like the way the Range of Doctrines for the community puts it:
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6. Eternal Security/Loss of Salvation
Range of views:
An astonishing number of North American Christians are unaware how many other conservative Bible believing North American Christians differ with them on this issue. Few differing doctrinal positions are viewed as so evidently true to members of each side, or so essential to a correct understanding of the Gospel. While Christians books, and radio and TV programs are disproportionally representative of the "eternal security" position, millions of members of Pentecostal, Wesleyan (Methodist, Nazarene, Wesleyan) and Mennonite denominations do not subscribe to the doctrine of eternal security.
For the amount of energy invested in debating this issue, it seems to make very little practical difference in the lives of the vast majority of true Christians in both camps. Those believing in "eternal security" do not have a casual attitude toward sin, and are no less committed to a lifestyle of obedience. Those not believing in "eternal security" do not believe that salvation is easily or frequently "lost", or live in constant fear of damnation. Examples that appear to disprove these statements can be found in both camps and prove nothing.
Both positions have, for several hundred years, pitted their most brilliant Bible scholars at each other, presenting the proof texts and arguments which "obviously prove" their positions; both sides remain unconvinced. Remaining unconvinced in the face of alledged proof texts by members of either side is not evidence of either their stupidity or disbelief in Scripture. For some reason, the Holy Spirit chose not to so inspire the Bible that it is unequivocally clear to all true Christians which of these positions is correct.
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RE: Baptist - 7/9/2008 7:45:27 AM
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I'm a Nazarene,but their is only one sect of Nazarene. There isn't all these different sects. I've been in the Baptist teaching now for a little over 30 yrs and I find them so confusing.I'd go some where else,but the Nazarene churches around here are too far away. You may want to look for a Free Methodist (as opposed to United Methodist) or Wesleyan congregation. They are doctrinely very similar to Church of the Nazarene but the Free Methodists have a different church government style (episcopal as opposed to congregational).
BTW, the "Sect of the Nazarene" mentioned in Acts has little in common with the CoN denomination. It was the original Messianic Jewish community.
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RE: Baptist - 7/9/2008 1:19:39 PM
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The reason I asked about the Baptist Is because I have been told that some believe in osas and some believe as I do that you can lose your salvation.But they both say they get their Doctrine from the Bible.That's not possible.The Bible does not teach it both ways.How can the Baptists be so right If some teach and believe one way and others teach and believe the other?I'm a Nazarene,but their is only one sect of Nazarene.There isn't all these different sects.I've been in the Baptist teaching now for a little over 30 yrs and I find them so confusing.I'd go some where else,but the Nazarene churches around here are too far away.
Like someone else noted in this thread already - anyone can take the term 'Baptist' and put it in their church's name. Does not mean they are SBC, etc...
We also have an excellent thread on the issue of whether or not something can take us out of Jesus' hands when He said His children can never be taken out of it. (notice my stance on that issue?)
What I meant by loseing our salvation,I know noone or nothing can take us out of Gods hand,However when we choose to live in sin,that choice removes us from Gods hand.That's what I mean by loseing our salvation.And I will die believing that,because I know that's what Gods word teaches.So many of the Baptists are very legalistic and It's so confusing.
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RE: Baptist - 7/9/2008 2:44:17 PM
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What I meant by loseing our salvation,I know noone or nothing can take us out of Gods hand,However when we choose to live in sin,that choice removes us from Gods hand.That's what I mean by loseing our salvation.And I will die believing that,because I know that's what Gods word teaches.So many of the Baptists are very legalistic and It's so confusing.
But most Baptists (SBC) think what you believe is legalism, that is, you believe that your salvation is kept by works instead of God's grace.
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RE: Baptist - 7/9/2008 2:50:01 PM
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I used to be Nazarene, and now I am SBC.
I found the Nazarenes by far to be more legalistic, because their salvation depended upon their works. It was more common to examine others based on silly things and make judgments about their salvation, and it was common to be in agony wondering if there was some unconfessed sin that would keep us from heaven.
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RE: Baptist - 7/9/2008 4:03:47 PM
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What I meant by loseing our salvation,I know noone or nothing can take us out of Gods hand,However when we choose to live in sin,that choice removes us from Gods hand.That's what I mean by loseing our salvation.And I will die believing that,because I know that's what Gods word teaches.So many of the Baptists are very legalistic and It's so confusing.
But most Baptists (SBC) think what you believe is legalism, that is, you believe that your salvation is kept by works instead of God's grace.
Sorry,there's no truth to the statement that I believe I'm kept by works.And neither do Any of the Nazarenes.Ma father was a Nazarene minister,so I've been Nazarene all my life (almost 64 yrs).He has always taught and preached we're kept by The grace of God but we work for ths Lord because we love Him,not to stay saved.I've been a part of the Nazarenes for too many yrs to know the above statement is not true.
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RE: Baptist - 7/9/2008 4:12:41 PM
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Sorry,there's no truth to the statement that I believe I'm kept by works.And neither do Any of the Nazarenes.Ma father was a Nazarene minister,so I've been Nazarene all my life (almost 64 yrs).He has always taught and preached we're kept by The grace of God but we work for ths Lord because we love Him,not to stay saved.I've been a part of the Nazarenes for too many yrs to know the above statement is not true.
If you are kept by grace and you do works because you love Him, then how can you lose salvation? By chosing to do sin - which is ceasing of good works? That's being kept by works.
If His grace keeps you, then it will not fail. If it is by your ability to do good works, then you shall fail. I am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. (see 2 Timothy 1:12)
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RE: Baptist - 7/9/2008 4:46:44 PM
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RE: Baptist - 7/10/2008 10:55:22 AM
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What I'm trying to understand is,why are there so many sects of Baptist's?
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RE: Baptist - 7/10/2008 11:00:13 AM
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What I'm trying to understand is,why are there so many sects of Baptist's?
Because the only issue that makes them similar is a belief that baptism should be done by immersion (not pouring or sprinking) and only for believers with understanding (not infants). Just about any othet doctrine is up for grabs.
Another for instance is that the Free Will Baptists believe that feet washing is an ordinance just like baptism and the Lord's Supper. Most other baptists consider feet washing to primarily be an example, not a required practice.
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RE: Baptist - 7/10/2008 11:33:28 AM
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It's primarily due to different interpretations of biblical doctrines.
http://www.founders.org/journal/fj70/article1.html
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RE: Baptist - 7/10/2008 2:49:18 PM
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I am so glad Heaven will not be devided by denominations. Ain't you?
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