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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/18/2008 10:51:26 PM
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PrincessDonna
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He doesn't have the first molars? They would be right behind the pointy canine teeth. If he doesn't have them, he may well be cutting them also and they just aren't up to the gum surface yet.
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I have to force him in his high chair for breakfast and lunch and he hasn't really been eating more than a bite... literally. He DOES eat an evening meal and eats pretty good.
This *could* be from him nursing so much in the wee hours of the morning. Or...it could just be he's not hungry then. We call the 1-4 years the camel years...kids seem to go through spurts where they eat a TON and other spurts where you wonder how they are surviving on how little they eat. From seeing friends' kids, this seems to be the norm for toddlers and some preschoolers.
The more I think about this, the more I am convinced that this is NOT a nursing issue at all, but a teething and night waking issue, which would likely still be happening even if you weren't nursing or cosleeping. Levi has gone through spurts of doing the same thing in the past few months, and we have not been nursing since he was 11 months old.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/18/2008 10:57:37 PM
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Hmm. Kinda sounds like he is reverse cycling. Eating more in the night to make up for not eating during the day. It could be because of his teeth, or it could just be a "new" routine. Sorry if you already answered this, but did he start doing it when you moved? Or is it just in the past couple weeks?
At dinner I would make sure he is getting enough protein and fats. I would also consider THIS method of gentle sleep training since he is certainly old enough to start eating more during the day and less at night.
When Gabby is teething we do motrin/tylenol around the clock, it keeps her from turning into crabbola.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/18/2008 11:22:39 PM
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He doesn't have the first molars? They would be right behind the pointy canine teeth. If he doesn't have them, he may well be cutting them also and they just aren't up to the gum surface yet.
Yes, he does have these, sorry I wasn't clear on that. When I said he had the teeth directly beside the pointy teeth, that is what I meant... but nothing after that, the ones behind. But nothing after that.
Well, tonight he fell asleep at 9, we ate a later supper than usual... so well see how it goes. I did think of one thing... we usually eat our evening meal rather early. 5pm, sometimes even earlier, but usually between 5-5:30. So, he could be hungry at night, too. He is usually a happy kid, so I don't think to offer him a snack. We will see how tonight goes since we ate after 7pm tonight.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 12:31:20 AM
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Everyone has talked a good bit about trying combinations of food, water, and pain medication; but what is his nap pattern? That always played a part with my kids. If they napped past mid-afternoon or took even a quick doze in the evening, they were more likely to be awake at night. I would even try to schedule some large muscle activity a few hours before bedtime to help wear them out. To really sleep a long stretch at that age, my kids had to be both tired and full to start with.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 7:25:23 AM
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According to your original post - he nurses between 5 and 6 times in an 8 hour stretch. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't eat breakfast or lunch. Now, I can't imagine he is getting a real meal at each one of those eatings, but even a 4 month old baby can easily go between 3 and 4 hours between nursing, and waking up only once or not at all at night. That would mean they are only eating 6-7 times in an ENTIRE day.
Even if he truly is hungry, the answer remains the same. You have to teach him when to eat and sleep.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 7:42:16 AM
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we usually eat our evening meal rather early. 5pm, sometimes even earlier, but usually between 5-5:30. So, he could be hungry at night, too. He is usually a happy kid, so I don't think to offer him a snack.
That could be a lot of it right there.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 9:24:00 AM
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we usually eat our evening meal rather early. 5pm, sometimes even earlier, but usually between 5-5:30. So, he could be hungry at night, too. He is usually a happy kid, so I don't think to offer him a snack.
That could be a lot of it right there.
I agree. If mine had their tea (that's what we'd have called it) at 5pm, they would have had a snack between 7 and 8 before going to bed.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 9:50:20 AM
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His nap schedule is usually late morning/early afternoon. It usually last 1 1/2 hours, maybe close to 2 hours. So he is usually up around 2 "ish". Depending on if he decides to nap early, he will sometimes take another nap around 4-:4:30 for about a 1/2 hour. I have noticed, that as long as he is up by 6-7 (depending on when he takes another nap and how long he sleeps), he still gets tired around 9:30-10:30 at night
Last night was a joke. I should of tried the tylenol, or something! (lol). He went to sleep at 9pm (he didn't have a 2nd nap, was up around 1:30 from the first nap). I left him in the reclyner, sometimes when I move him, he wakes right up, the reclyner gives him that feeling that someone is holding him. At 10:30 he woke up, I brought him to bed with me and nursed him to sleep. At 12:15 he woke up, I nursed him, then I went to the couch for a while because he doesn't normally wake up so quickly from the reclyner, or in our bed, I thought maybe if I slept on the couch without him it would be better. At 2am he woke up, he got off my bed and was searching for me in the dark, while crying. He stopped at the love seat to "study" the blankets there to see if I was there (I recently switched the love seat and couch around). Then, he went to the boys room, they are at a sleep over, so he stood in there and cried for a while. I thought he'd come back... but the little stinker shut himself in their closet, so I had no choice to but go and rescue him. So, he nursed back to sleep with me around 2:15-2:30. Then he finally slept until 5:30, then woke around 7:00, then at 8:15 and after that nursing we got up. So, 6 nursings between 9pm and 8:15am. I think there was a couple of comfort nursings in there, which is very rare for him to do that at night. Last night was an odd night. I don't know if it was eating late or what, but I had trouble sleeping, too.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 9:52:06 AM
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Oh, goodness, Annie. Can you nap while he does today?
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 10:08:47 AM
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Oh, goodness, Annie. Can you nap while he does today?
Oh, I think I can have a lazy today. It is so foggy out, it would be nice if it stayed that way all day!
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 10:28:08 AM
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And definitely remember the ibuprofen tonight. Tylenol is not as good with teething, IME, because it is a pain blocker, but not an anti-inflammatory. Ibuprofen will help bring down the gum swelling and any inflammation in the ear canals, which can happen with teething also.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 10:45:10 AM
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Yikes! I've never heard of anyone allergic to ibuprofen. It works well for us, so we stick with it.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 10:45:57 AM
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One amazingly good sign today is that he asked for food this morning! He is in his high chair with no struggle and eating!
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 11:00:49 AM
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Yikes! I've never heard of anyone allergic to ibuprofen. It works well for us, so we stick with it.
I get "digestive disturbances" - mostly colic and indigestion - even if I take it with or after food. My ds is fine with it, my dd is the same as me.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 11:01:19 AM
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One amazingly good sign today is that he asked for food this morning! He is in his high chair with no struggle and eating!
That's great!
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Yikes! I've never heard of anyone allergic to ibuprofen. It works well for us, so we stick with it.
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Ibuprofen will help bring down the gum swelling and any inflammation in the ear canals, which can happen with teething also.
An allergy to ibuprofen would be awful. It's my pain reliever of choice for me and the babies. It seemed like it worked much better than baby tylenol for pain and inflammation.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 11:55:38 AM
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One amazingly good sign today is that he asked for food this morning! He is in his high chair with no struggle and eating!
Excellent!!
I meant to ask, does he drink from a cup during the day?
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 3:30:40 PM
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I haven't bothered to read all the posts...but I am going to put in my 2 cents worth anyway
Considering all the health obstacles your son has faced and still may be facing....you just have to decide if this is something you can do or not.
I had a son who had health challenges...and he nursed at night for a long time...but gave up his day time feedings quickly. The doctors later told me it was those night time feedings that kept him strong enough to face what he had to face.
Try offering him sippy cups during the day rather than nursing him every time he "wants" to..and then let him nurse at night since at night he gets down to business and just nurses.
As to those who think babies (and yes at 16 months they ARE babies) don't NEED to nurse at night...if they don't NEED to nurse at night...why are we offering them sandwiches,etc.
Up until 18 months, 80 to 95 % of their calories should still be from milk (breastmilk or otherwise).
And to the pediatrician who told the mom with the 8 day old that baby was using her as a pacifier and she'd end up doing that for a year or more...is an idiot. Sorry.
At 8 days...and EVEN AT 8 WEEKS...they are still working out how to make the milk supply meet their needs and they are needing that bond with mama. That said...pacifiers are not evil in anyway....but infants who are allowed to nurse for pacification up through about 12 weeks GENERALLY (and generally is always a dangerous thing to say) don't continue to do so much longer and GENERALLY do NOT need pacifiers at all after about 6 months.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 3:39:12 PM
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Up until 18 months, 80 to 95 % of their calories should still be from milk (breastmilk or otherwise).
Do you have a source on this information? One that isn't the LLL? My boy is offered milk with every meal and drinks it, but I'm pretty certain that milk doesn't even come close to that percentile in his calories. And he's extremely healthy and growing like a weed.
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 3:45:13 PM
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Levi doesn't come close to that either and hasn't for months.
I won't get into the binkies and tiny babies issue here, since that would be off-topic. But suffice it to say, I disagree. 
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RE: Nursing a 16 month old at night - 7/19/2008 3:47:36 PM
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Up until 18 months, 80 to 95 % of their calories should still be from milk (breastmilk or otherwise).
Do you have a source on this information? One that isn't the LLL? My boy is offered milk with every meal and drinks it, but I'm pretty certain that milk doesn't even come close to that percentile in his calories. And he's extremely healthy and growing like a weed.
Neither of mine had that much either (not even close). And were (are) also extremely healthy.
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weird, I know. So, most of the time, he doesn't drink extra liquids during the day. Once in a while he will though.
I didn't want to offend whoever said they do it though. 