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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 1:13:53 PM
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Consecrated2God
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I've been thinking alot about this thread, and I really can't think of anything I enjoy doing that requires being female.
So are you ambivelent about being female, then?
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 1:33:30 PM
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The "weaker sex" stuff bothers me. I consider it my responsibility to pitch in and carry stuff during a move. I can buck up and scrape ice off a window; it's not a big deal. I would prefer to have more strength, honestly.
When you say that the "weaker sex" stuff bothers you, what exactly do you mean by that? Do you mean that you are bothered that you are not as strong as your husband? Or that men view women as being weaker? Or are you bothered that other women (such as myself) don't mind sitting in the car letting our husbands scrape the window?
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 2:24:51 PM
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What the young women of today need to be fighting for is for the rights of men, which were lost when my generation swung the pendulum too far and took men's rights away as we were grasping for ours.
What specfic rights are you talking about? Legal rights?
Or do you mean that some women don't esteem men as highly as the conservative right thinks we ought to? That we don't obey them like we ought to? That some men have to compete with women for jobs and such?
Well, off the top of my head --
Oh, I would be the last to claim that men have some automatic right to some kind of special esteem just they are males. Believe me. Too many bad experiences with supposedly "christian" men color my thoughts on that idea.
And as far as men having to compete with women for jobs, well, that is the way it ought to be. The best person for the job ought to have the job, and their acquisition of the job should not be influenced by gender.
However, when it comes to sexual harassment in the work place, men are still held back from admitting such things because of social pressure. Further, when it comes to spousal abuse, men are also still held back from seeking help, and they are loathed by society for admitting that they are abused, receiving little help, comfort, or settlement in the courts.
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I agree that courts are a litte to quick to give children to the mother in cases of divorce, but just because they aren't treated like demi-gods anymore, doesn't mean that they have lost any legal rights.
It was during my generation that marriage was made so easiest to discard in the court of law. At that time, children were automatically given to the women, men paid alimony, and men paid child support. The only things men have taken back a little during the generation that followed are:
* Women no longer automatically receive alimony.
* The courts are now finally starting to recognize that men can be the better parent, so they no longer just automatically give the only parental rights to the women.
* The courts also now starting to recognize that women ought to pay child support and if they don't, they are deemed deadbeat parents now.
These ideas are the only male rights that have been given in the generations that followed my generation's prime years -- their parental years. I am grateful for these, but they are still in their infanthood and are not practiced across the board in American courts.
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* Men still have no say whatsoever regarding their right to say whether or not their unborn children live, and this is the most heinous, unethical, discriminatory idea against the rights of men on the books today, making all the other gains seem like nothing. I don't give a hoot that the women carry the child nine months, give birth, etc., when it is adultery or fornication, she made the choice, knowing the possible consequences, giving up her rights to her own body at the time, then all of a sudden, she wants complete rights over her own body, the body of another, and the psychological and emotional well-being of a third party? That is just WRONG!
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 4:23:31 PM
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I've been thinking alot about this thread, and I really can't think of anything I enjoy doing that requires being female.
So are you ambivelent about being female, then?
I suppose so. I'm not unhappy being a female. I have a good life, and I am richly blessed. For that I am deeply grateful.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 4:32:07 PM
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The "weaker sex" stuff bothers me. I consider it my responsibility to pitch in and carry stuff during a move. I can buck up and scrape ice off a window; it's not a big deal. I would prefer to have more strength, honestly.
When you say that the "weaker sex" stuff bothers you, what exactly do you mean by that? Do you mean that you are bothered that you are not as strong as your husband? Or that men view women as being weaker? Or are you bothered that other women (such as myself) don't mind sitting in the car letting our husbands scrape the window?
I would like to have more physical strength, I think it would come in very handy. But I could always get off my bum and lift weights more, I suppose (which I did before my first child).
As for you and your husband and him scraping the car window? Darlin' I don't care how things work between you and your dH. Short of abuse, I recognize that there are many different marriage dynamics, and they can all be right depending on the people involved. (Another reason why I get so riled up at very strict gender roles - for example there are some men who are very good cooks, and if they enjoy cooking, why should their gender prevent them from cooking from their family?)
I don't know why exactly it bothers me so much. Maybe it's that we're perceived as being weak, and indeed we do tend to be physically weaker. And there's a part of me that hates that. We are who we are, and we all have different gifts. But I still can help the gut reaction I have to the "weaker sex" label.
Covaan, thank you for your response. I understand a lot better now where you're coming from.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 5:58:20 PM
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This may be off topic, but what are the old-fashioned manner rules concerning young women and elderly men? What I mean is, should a young, non-pregnant, healthy female be expected to give up her seat for an elderly male? I would say yes; I wouldn't even look around first to see if another male was going to stand up first. I'd just do it.
But would that be an insult to the elderly male?
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 6:03:07 PM
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This may be off topic, but what are the old-fashioned manner rules concerning young women and elderly men? What I mean is, should a young, non-pregnant, healthy female be expected to give up her seat for an elderly male? I would say yes; I wouldn't even look around first to see if another male was going to stand up first. I'd just do it.
But would that be an insult to the elderly male?
I don't know what the rules are, so I'm curious as to what people will say. But I would give up my seat. Even as a pregnant young healthy female. Part of that may be related to my job though...I have the instinct to take care of people, and most of them happen to be elderly. So I immediately think of my patients and would absolutely give up my seat.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 6:10:27 PM
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I would give up my seat to anyone who looked like they needed it more than me, including an elderly man.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 6:29:01 PM
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I would say that this ought to be done, but being a "senior," according to some businesses, I would suggest this: it may make the present-living older males very uncomfortable. I seriously doubt that they are ready for that. A young man could do it, and the gentleman would see it as kindness, but a young woman would embarrass him in the USA, under most circumstances, unless the man was obviously about to collapse.
If a young woman, or anyone up to my age, sees an elderly man who needs the seat, and you don't want to embarrass him, make it appear that you are leaving your seat for another reason. This will help to "save face" for him.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 9:04:38 PM
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I don't think door-opening and giving up seats are really a weaker vessel thing, though. It's kind of an old-fashioned way to honor women, but I don't think it's because anyone thinks women aren't strong enough to stand up or open a door. It's also something that in general isn't practiced anymore, at least not in my experience. Those are just superficial, symbolic things. I could care less if someone opens my door or not, (although it's nice if they don't let it slam on my face behind them) but when it comes to my husband doing the things I really don't want to do (like scrape ice off the windshield) I love the way he protects me. If it's wintertime and I'm going somewhere, even if he's not coming with me, he'll go warm the car up and scrape the ice off and get it ready for me to go. He super-considerate that way--not because I'm not capable, but because it's an act of love for him to do the more difficult tasks so I don't have to.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 9:16:36 PM
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Creator of my beautiful Western Wall quilt  , I used to resent it that my husband actually thought I ought to do all the cleaning, including cleaning his toilet, when we were both working, and we both came home tired. Then I bought a camper. And as I watched him decide to manage the camper, cleaning out the water- and sewer-lines of it, it became clear to me: I ought to clean his toilet on hands and knees, because that would be fair exchange, in my opinion, for his taking care of that! And when my bathroom's toilet broke, who took care of that on his day off while I happily went to work? He did.
I quit complaining. Did I show him some pointers regarding cleaning his bathroom when he tried to clean it the other day before I got to it? You bet! But I still clean his bathroom.
Oh, I should add this:
But I don't clean his bathroom on hands and knees -- I do it the normal way. 
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/27/2008 9:33:24 PM
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Cleaning a bathroom on hands and knees would be terribly inefficeint, anyway.  But yeah, I get what you're saying. Pouring a little toilet bowl cleaner in the john and twirling the scrubby around for a few seconds isn't much compared to reaching down inside it to get the lost crochet hook that someone accidentally flushed and unwadding the soggy toilet paper from around it.  When I think of all the gross jobs I get away with not doing, it's hard to get upset with him for asking me to do something for him like, oh, make him a pot of coffee.  My stickler though was packing his lunch. I told him for the longest time that packing him his lunch made me feel too doormat-ish, and that I'd appreciate if he'd pack his own. He did, but he expressed to me that he would feel loved and cared for if I'd do that for him. I resisted for a long time, and finally I decided I was going to just do it, not because I had to, not because it was my job, but because I loved him. I even made him fresh cookies for his lunch, and worked hard to make his lunch nice instead of packing him the usual bologna sandwich. All of the men at his work were jealous. So that turned out nice. Now I don't have to pack him lunch at all, since he eats with us every day, and that's even better.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/29/2008 1:07:36 PM
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But yeah, I get what you're saying. Pouring a little toilet bowl cleaner in the john and twirling the scrubby around for a few seconds isn't much compared to reaching down inside it to get the lost crochet hook that someone accidentally flushed and unwadding the soggy toilet paper from around it. When I think of all the gross jobs I get away with not doing, it's hard to get upset with him for asking me to do something for him like, oh, make him a pot of coffee.
I feel the same way. My hubby will do some gross things, and a lot of things that I just don't know how to do (like fix my computer or put a new alternator in my car), so I'm happy to do the things that he's not good at like making coffee or dinner or any other thing that he may be too tired to do.
My hubby and I were just discussing these kinds of things last night. I asked him if he wanted me to water the lawn this morning (we just moved to a place that has grass), and he said "Isn't that kind of my job?", and he goes, "Yeah, it is`.....taking out the garbage and watering the lawn". Not sure why I felt it was his job, and he's not sure why he felt it was his job either.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/29/2008 1:22:33 PM
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My husband will ask me to water sometimes, but only because we have very strict restrictions on when we can water here because of drought. He does almost all of the lawn stuff, mostly because he cares about it a whole lot more then I do.
Before I was pregnant with Nathan I would mow all the time. I liked it! It was good exercise. dH and I would get outside on a Saturday (we both worked full time), and I'd mow while he trimmed the bushes and other outside work. We got the lawn looking nice and spent time together (sorta).
I've mowed a few times since having Nathan, but very little.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/29/2008 1:24:45 PM
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I like to mow now and then, but generally Erick likes to do that. We used to mow a cemetary together when we first got married.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/29/2008 1:37:46 PM
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We literally made a verbal contract when we got married regarding certain things. He has a thing about spiders, so I promised to catch and release all of them myself. I have a thing about both mice and moths, so he promised to take care of these -- but not catch and release.
Later, when I found out he has a real fear of stinging insects, and I just don't, I added to my side of the contract to take care of all stinging insects.
We both just laugh and do it.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/29/2008 4:30:08 PM
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My favorite part of being a woman is having the ability to look at all things with sensivity and grace. I also believe that women pay more attention to detail - tha majority that is. Some men also have this ability as well.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/29/2008 11:35:13 PM
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But would that be an insult to the elderly male?
I guess it would depend on the mindset of the elderly male. Some would look at it as a sign of respect from you and others would look at it as you thinking they are weak and frail.
I personally try to show respect to people older than me because it just seems right. I also call my kids teachers Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. I call my pastor, Pastor eventhough other people call him Marc. That is just me though.
As for being a woman, I do love it when my husband holds my coat for me so I can put it on, and when doors are opened for me and things like that. But I will also hold doors for anyone who is behind me no matter who they are.
I know that physically our bodies are different from a guy, but as for being weaker, that depends on what you are talking about. My DH can't tolerate most things that I do eventhough he thinks he does a better job of it. The kids get on his nerves rather quickly. If he stubs his toe, he makes a big deal of it. And if he has to do two things at one time while listening to two children trying to state their cases to him, he is very openly irritated.
I have had two children with no medication, broken bones and sliced myself many times while doing things like cooking, or just fixing things around the house. I don't see myself as weaker because while physically, he can lift more than me, and he can run faster and things like that, I can tolerate alot more than he can.
As for being a woman, I think the one thing I like the best about it is NOT being a man.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/30/2008 6:53:35 AM
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I just love being a girl. I'm a bit of a tomboy at heart, but I wouldn't *not* be a girl for all the tea in China! I love the emotional aspect of it - the fact that I'm called to mother and help and supprt. I love being able to wear pretty things and have long hair.
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RE: What's your favorite part about being a woman? - 7/30/2008 8:30:54 AM
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I know that physically our bodies are different from a guy, but as for being weaker, that depends on what you are talking about. My DH can't tolerate most things that I do eventhough he thinks he does a better job of it. The kids get on his nerves rather quickly. If he stubs his toe, he makes a big deal of it. And if he has to do two things at one time while listening to two children trying to state their cases to him, he is very openly irritated.
I have had two children with no medication, broken bones and sliced myself many times while doing things like cooking, or just fixing things around the house. I don't see myself as weaker because while physically, he can lift more than me, and he can run faster and things like that, I can tolerate alot more than he can.
I agree with you on that. I've heard people say that women are more emotional than men, and I've always thought, at least between my husband and I, that it isn't true. While I might cry more easily, I think in many ways I am stronger emotionally than he is. It's a different kind of strength, but it's still a strength. When it comes to muscle work, though, he's a lot stronger than I am. For example, we were moving concrete landscape blocks several weeks ago, that weighed probably 20 lbs each. About halfway through the job I finally told him I was done helping him, because my hands were starting to bleed, and I was worn out. He did twice as much as I did and then continued working outside in the heat after I came inside.
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