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his_chosen -> Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/26/2008 7:38:34 PM)

Still scratching my head over the neighbor insisting on cutting down the tree... Now, we have a crazy neighbor thing!

We live next door to a church. Their building was originally a home, which they added onto over the years. It's still a very small church, maybe 25members?

Although they are "next door", their driveway is actually on a road that is along the back of our property, and not on our street. Because of the length of their driveway, it's always been easier to just haul the garbage cans across our yard and park them at our driveway. They've been paying ds1 to do this since we moved in 5yrs ago. So far so good, right?

Well, we have city garbage cans. The big honkin' ones that can only be lifted by a garbage truck. The address on the church's cans is actually for our neighbor across the street. However, years ago, the church did buy these cans. Because they are not "residential" they can not have their own cans, otherwise they have to pay a "commercial" fee of $100/month. They produce about one kitchen bag's worth of trash/week, so it's not like it's a burden to the city. So far so good, right?

For some crazy reason, the neighbor across the street has taken these cans. His address, so he wants 'em. He's a singly guy, so it's not like he's producing that much garbage! Again, we're talking the really big garbage cans. And he's storing them in his garage.

Um, why does this guy need three huge garbage cans? And why did he feel the need to take them from the church after all these years?



dianetavegia -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/26/2008 8:32:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: his_chosen
Because they are not "residential" they can not have their own cans, otherwise they have to pay a "commercial" fee of $100/month.


I guess I'm being a bit 'picky', but scripture says we are to obey all laws, which would include the 'not residential' rule. I think the church should NOT use the wrong (address) cans.

We've been in small churches where a member would take the garbage to the dump or a pastor would take it home and put it with his garbage.



isaacsmom -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/26/2008 10:17:43 PM)

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The address on the church's cans is actually for our neighbor across the street. However, years ago, the church did buy these cans.


How did they come to do that?



MrsTracy72 -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/26/2008 10:43:42 PM)

I think that if the city hasn't had a problem with this and the cans were purchased by the church, then what is the problem? We don't know if the city had agreed to let the church do this so it isn't up to us to say what is right and wrong there, but if the church purchased the cans, even if they aren't using them, the person who took them has no right to take them. They are now the churches property and if the church uses them for garbage pickup and the city doesn't mind, then that is their choice. If they want to use them for another purpose, they are their cans, so that person had no legal right to take them. People are so petty. Just like my tree people. Oh well, I suppose it is what it is though.



his_chosen -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/27/2008 10:37:04 AM)

It really is silly. I mean, who really needs three of these HUGE garbage cans?! With the six of us, we rarely fill more than half of one.

The church pays property taxes. They should get garbage pick up. We're talking one kitchen bag worth of garbage per week. Yah, if they were a larger church and filled two cans, maybe that's asking too much.

The church cannot buy cans from the city because they are considered "commercial". Years ago the neighbor bought the cans for the church, using their address, not the church's.



garsyt -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/27/2008 11:22:52 AM)

I'm thinking this is an issue that the church needs to take up with the neighbor that bought the cans AND unfortunately your son may lose his job over it. maybe they could just buy a simple can to sit out behind the church and your ds could transfer their one bag of trash to your can every week.

Blessings,

Garsy



dianetavegia -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/27/2008 1:03:53 PM)

If the church has to 'lie' .... If the church was 'not legally allowed to purchase cans'..... If the church is 'not allowed regular pick up'...... then they are wrong. ' ' = my words.

The neighbor who took the cans with HIS address on it may have good reason for not wanting them used by the church. When we had city pick up, you were allowed X number of cans a week. If you used more than X number of cans, you were billed. The neighbor should not have taken cans the church purchased 'illegally' through another neighbor, but should have asked or demanded the church remove HIS address from these cans.

This most probably is going to cost your son his job, but I also think you should talk to the church and suggest they put the trash in another secure can and your son will put it with your trash each week.

Even the appearance of evil should be avoided. A church that has to mislead just to get trash pick up is putting forth a bad witness.



agapetos -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/27/2008 7:09:22 PM)

I agree with Diane, the church shouldn't be doing this.



MrsTracy72 -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/27/2008 8:08:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: his_chosen

The church cannot buy cans from the city because they are considered "commercial". Years ago the neighbor bought the cans for the church, using their address, not the church's.


I thought you said that the person sold them to the church and that the city had been picking up the garbage at the church for all these years with no problem. Not that someone used the churches address to obtain them. That is different. Maybe the person wants them back because the city picked up on it and is not happy with them.

The church could go to the city since they are non profit and ask for city pickup of trash. That would be the best they could do. But if the city says no, then it is no.



csl7037 -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/29/2008 6:41:58 AM)

I'm confused. Is a non-profit really considered "commercial"? If so, and if they really have about a bag/week - they should just put their bag at their back door and have your son carry it to your can.

I agree that the neighbor is probably uncomfortable (or is possibly getting letters/warnings from the city) that these giant cans shouldn't be there with his number on them. If the city decided to crack down or just be ugly about it, they're in your driveway with his house number - it's not the church who'll get in trouble, it's your neighbor. Is he using the cans or did he just remove them from use? I think he probably had a VERY good reason! Like I said, maybe he's gotten letters, or maybe he's just more concerned about the law than the church - which would be a pretty bad witness. (Maybe that attitude explains 25 members.)



MrsTracy72 -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/29/2008 10:13:14 PM)

You know, I was thinking about this and my old church was much the same. Not much trash, but the city made them use a service to pick up the trash. They just didn't have it done every week though. We did do dinners, but only durning Lent and Advent so while there was food type trash, it was going out in freezing weather and animals weren't around to get in. Does the city mandate residents to have those big trash cans? We have a choice here, and we choose not to. If that is the case, maybe the church can purchase cans from a Home Depot or some store like that and use them. If the city is picking up the trash now, then they would probably still pick up.



his_chosen -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/30/2008 11:54:40 AM)

The city provides every address with one garbage can. These can only be purchased from the city, not at a hardware store. If the resident wants they can buy additional cans. It's not uncommon for someone to have two cans. The garbage men don't care. It's often difficult to figure out which can goes with which house anyway--because of trees/mailboxes/driveways cans are not parked in front of each house. We and the next door neighbor park our cans next to each other to avoid blocking anyone's mailbox. And, if you miss the truck coming down your side of the street, people often run out and put a can on the other side to catch the truck on that side.

Because it's not practical for the church to leave garbage bags sitting out (they have 5 acres of woods directly behind the building), we will be buying an extra can for our house. We'll just park it next to their building. Judge me if you want. I just think the whole thing is silly.



APZR -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/30/2008 12:20:45 PM)

I'm going to disagree with Diane and others who said pay the commercial fees. Churches contribute a service to the community, they should not be taxed, they do not have to apply for 501(c)(3) as they are already not for profit, and they are NOT "commerical" operations. I'd suggest that church contact an attorney who is familiar with law and church issues.

As for the garbage cans... I can think of a lot of ways a single guy would use a big bulky container. Recycle cans and plastics, use as dirty cloth hampers, use as dresser...
When single and broke, guys will use all kinds of stuff to make do. Kind of like the power companies wire spools as a table. [;)]



MrsTracy72 -> RE: Another crazy neighbor thing... (7/30/2008 2:02:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: his_chosen

Because it's not practical for the church to leave garbage bags sitting out (they have 5 acres of woods directly behind the building), we will be buying an extra can for our house. We'll just park it next to their building. Judge me if you want. I just think the whole thing is silly.



If the city will pick up regular cans, then I would do that if I were the church. The city has been doing it without complaint as far as the church knows for how many years now? My garbage man does alot for me that he isn't supposed to do. But he does and that is pretty much how things work all over the city. It is sad to say because some people are treated differently than others, but sometimes a kind word is all you need. Cities are just like that and hardly ever follow the very rules they make. All you have to do is ask. The collectors know that they are taking the churches trash and do it without complaint. If they stop or are told not to, then that is a different story. The church will have to do the commercial thing and get the dumpster and all that. But until then, if that is how things have been, then leave them the way they are. Maybe since they have been having their trash picked up for so many years, it was ok back then and there might be a grandfather clause in effect. All you have to do is ask.



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