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jazzact13 -> Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (7/28/2008 1:41:42 PM)
Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat quote: How safe are our blogs? That question was raised again when on the evening of July 26, 2008, a popular religious blog was shut down by an Internet service provider. A complaint filed by Christian author and apologist, Richard Abanes, claiming that one article on the religious opinion site, Apprising.org, had slandered him, caused the web host, IPower, to send its publisher, Ken Silva, a 48-hour warning to remove the offending piece or be taken down. In that the piece was not believed to be slander at all, but rather religious and theological opinion, he refused to be forced into censoring his site by Richard Abanes. The site went down. Here are links to sites by the two main protagonists in this event. Christian Research Net PoP cuLTuRe MiX I have to admit, there is something a bit scary here. That someone can get an entire site taken down based solely on accusation seems rather frightening. Disagreement is one thing, but whether intended or not, this could open up some pretty nasty precedences (sp). Given that things like The Fairness Doctrine and hate speech laws are being proposed that would curtail free speech, is it possible this will be used as a wedge to impose things on the internet, too?

cow451 -> RE: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (7/28/2008 2:00:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jazzact13 Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat quote: How safe are our blogs? That question was raised again when on the evening of July 26, 2008, a popular religious blog was shut down by an Internet service provider. A complaint filed by Christian author and apologist, Richard Abanes, claiming that one article on the religious opinion site, Apprising.org, had slandered him, caused the web host, IPower, to send its publisher, Ken Silva, a 48-hour warning to remove the offending piece or be taken down. In that the piece was not believed to be slander at all, but rather religious and theological opinion, he refused to be forced into censoring his site by Richard Abanes. The site went down. Here are links to sites by the two main protagonists in this event. Christian Research Net PoP cuLTuRe MiX I have to admit, there is something a bit scary here. That someone can get an entire site taken down based solely on accusation seems rather frightening. Disagreement is one thing, but whether intended or not, this could open up some pretty nasty precedences (sp). Given that things like The Fairness Doctrine and hate speech laws are being proposed that would curtail free speech, is it possible this will be used as a wedge to impose things on the internet, too? The rules about blogging haven't caught up with the phenomenon. Without seeing the actual piece in question, I can't decide whether it was or wasn't slander. As an author, Abanes has read reviews and should not be thin-skinned. I'm guessing Silva may have crossed the line. The folks at the IPower probably reached that conclusion.

jazzact13 -> RE: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (7/28/2008 2:28:56 PM)
Good point. I think this is an archived copy of it here. A PASTOR'S ASSESSMENT OF RICHARD ABANES

Soxfan -> RE: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (7/28/2008 2:52:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jazzact13 Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat quote: How safe are our blogs? That question was raised again when on the evening of July 26, 2008, a popular religious blog was shut down by an Internet service provider. A complaint filed by Christian author and apologist, Richard Abanes, claiming that one article on the religious opinion site, Apprising.org, had slandered him, caused the web host, IPower, to send its publisher, Ken Silva, a 48-hour warning to remove the offending piece or be taken down. In that the piece was not believed to be slander at all, but rather religious and theological opinion, he refused to be forced into censoring his site by Richard Abanes. The site went down. Here are links to sites by the two main protagonists in this event. Christian Research Net PoP cuLTuRe MiX I have to admit, there is something a bit scary here. That someone can get an entire site taken down based solely on accusation seems rather frightening. Disagreement is one thing, but whether intended or not, this could open up some pretty nasty precedences (sp). Given that things like The Fairness Doctrine and hate speech laws are being proposed that would curtail free speech, is it possible this will be used as a wedge to impose things on the internet, too? Richard Abanes is an apologist and supporter of Rick Warren and his Purpose Drivel model. The blogger has been very critical of Warren's movement. I'm sure this came from higher than Abanes. I wouldn't be surprised if it came from Saddleback

cow451 -> RE: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (7/28/2008 5:01:24 PM)
As we used to say in my part of the world: It looks like a urinating contest.[:o]

cybrjewls -> RE: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (7/28/2008 6:07:17 PM)
LOL!! Will wonders never cease..... So 'more than conquering' of some to forgive their neighbor a little talking and free discourse regarding a questionable book. Wow, how cultic can you get? Congress will make no laws with respect to so-called leaders, who can't handle a little discernment applied to themselves, is definitely Constitutional?! I guess apprising.org will be up and running with a new isp soon; i hope. quote: ORIGINAL: jazzact13 Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat quote: How safe are our blogs? That question was raised again when on the evening of July 26, 2008, a popular religious blog was shut down by an Internet service provider. A complaint filed by Christian author and apologist, Richard Abanes, claiming that one article on the religious opinion site, Apprising.org, had slandered him, caused the web host, IPower, to send its publisher, Ken Silva, a 48-hour warning to remove the offending piece or be taken down. In that the piece was not believed to be slander at all, but rather religious and theological opinion, he refused to be forced into censoring his site by Richard Abanes. The site went down. Here are links to sites by the two main protagonists in this event. Christian Research Net PoP cuLTuRe MiX I have to admit, there is something a bit scary here. That someone can get an entire site taken down based solely on accusation seems rather frightening. Disagreement is one thing, but whether intended or not, this could open up some pretty nasty precedences (sp). Given that things like The Fairness Doctrine and hate speech laws are being proposed that would curtail free speech, is it possible this will be used as a wedge to impose things on the internet, too?

cybrjewls -> RE: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (7/28/2008 6:11:53 PM)
LOL!! Saddleback Community Church? Some should not use their freedom in Christ in such a way as to trip their neighbor into believing that the Nicolaitan mammon monster is more important than Christ; who forgives and justifies freely from among all of those who have sinned. quote: ORIGINAL: Soxfa quote: ORIGINAL: jazzact13 Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat quote: How safe are our blogs? That question was raised again when on the evening of July 26, 2008, a popular religious blog was shut down by an Internet service provider. A complaint filed by Christian author and apologist, Richard Abanes, claiming that one article on the religious opinion site, Apprising.org, had slandered him, caused the web host, IPower, to send its publisher, Ken Silva, a 48-hour warning to remove the offending piece or be taken down. In that the piece was not believed to be slander at all, but rather religious and theological opinion, he refused to be forced into censoring his site by Richard Abanes. The site went down. Here are links to sites by the two main protagonists in this event. Christian Research Net PoP cuLTuRe MiX I have to admit, there is something a bit scary here. That someone can get an entire site taken down based solely on accusation seems rather frightening. Disagreement is one thing, but whether intended or not, this could open up some pretty nasty precedences (sp). Given that things like The Fairness Doctrine and hate speech laws are being proposed that would curtail free speech, is it possible this will be used as a wedge to impose things on the internet, too? Richard Abanes is an apologist and supporter of Rick Warren and his Purpose Drivel model. The blogger has been very critical of Warren's movement. I'm sure this came from higher than Abanes. I wouldn't be surprised if it came from Saddleback

cybrjewls -> RE: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (7/28/2008 7:32:52 PM)
I hope that iPower.info understands that many of its customers would not agree with such a policy..... quote: ORIGINAL: jazzact13 Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat quote: How safe are our blogs? That question was raised again when on the evening of July 26, 2008, a popular religious blog was shut down by an Internet service provider. A complaint filed by Christian author and apologist, Richard Abanes, claiming that one article on the religious opinion site, Apprising.org, had slandered him, caused the web host, IPower, to send its publisher, Ken Silva, a 48-hour warning to remove the offending piece or be taken down. In that the piece was not believed to be slander at all, but rather religious and theological opinion, he refused to be forced into censoring his site by Richard Abanes. The site went down. Here are links to sites by the two main protagonists in this event. Christian Research Net PoP cuLTuRe MiX I have to admit, there is something a bit scary here. That someone can get an entire site taken down based solely on accusation seems rather frightening. Disagreement is one thing, but whether intended or not, this could open up some pretty nasty precedences (sp). Given that things like The Fairness Doctrine and hate speech laws are being proposed that would curtail free speech, is it possible this will be used as a wedge to impose things on the internet, too?

Bobby -> RE: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (7/29/2008 7:17:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Soxfan Richard Abanes is an apologist and supporter of Rick Warren and his Purpose Drivel model. The blogger has been very critical of Warren's movement. I'm sure this came from higher than Abanes. I wouldn't be surprised if it came from Saddleback Warrenists at church want me thrown out because I publicly questioned some of the things being done at church which were entertainment oriented instead of studying God's Word. Once they throw people out, they will not allow letters of transfer to be sent to churches, or impose strict restrictions. They believe we're troublemakers. Doctrine and theology are being purged from churches in favour of entertainment. What gives? One of those was the service that consisted only of dancing girls jiggling to pop music. Another incident was the non-education of our kids in the Bible. A friend informed me in recent weeks after I was told to go that the messages were too "simple" (good for non-believers, but Christians aren't necessary to listen to the "message"), and one where the pastor was so gaga over himself he called anyone who opposed him the devil and behind much of his troubles), and some deacons had enough, putting him "on leave" four weeks. They act like the Modern Left's attitude on speech; only they have rights, their opponents are shut out. Joe Wilson (my Congressman) has no right to speak in the House because "President" Pelosi has written rules prohibiting my Congressman from speaking.

rabanes -> RE: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (8/2/2008 3:36:49 PM)
JAZZ: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat RA: I DID NOT have a blog shut down. That was the result of the blog owner failing to comply with a request that came from his ISP. This story has been blown completely out of proportion, and been mixed with all kinds of conspiracy theories, false information, and partial truths. This Open Letter to Steve Camp outlines my initial thoughts/intentions/motivation for writing to Ken Silva's ISP. It also covers various issues relating to the "Ken Silva vs. Richard Abanes" controversy, including: 1. Bible Study notes on key passages being discussed, 2. the actual contents of my email to Silva's ISP, 3. observations about the current state of the church, 4. an indictment of today's so-called Online Discernment Ministries, and 5. documentation of Ken Silva�s violation of federal copyright/privacy laws, and other issues. The open letter should answer most questions and addressed the widely-read article by Steve Camp titled "Battles in the Blogsphere." _____________________ JAZZ: That someone can get an entire site taken down based solely on accusation seems rather frightening. RA: See above. This is not what happened. ______________________ JAZZ: Given that things like The Fairness Doctrine and hate speech laws are being proposed that would curtail free speech, is it possible this will be used as a wedge to impose things on the internet, too? RA: No worries. Issues dealing with First Amendment freedoms such as criticizing specific acts as sinful (e.g., fornication, homosexuality, etc.) and declarations about alternate religious belief systems being false (e.g., the New Age) are in no way being endangered. Such assessments are completely protected in the blogsphere by our Freedom of Speech. The problem with the article in question was the personal nature of its attack on me. It was not about my theology or doctrinal views. Bloggers are PERFECTLY safe. _______________________ COW: As an author, Abanes has read reviews and should not be thin-skinned. I'm guessing Silva may have crossed the line. The folks at the IPower probably reached that conclusion. RA: Very true. My skin is indeed thick. There were reasons I sent a complaint to the ISP. _______________________ SOX: Richard Abanes is an apologist and supporter of Rick Warren and his Purpose Drivel model. The blogger has been very critical of Warren's movement. I'm sure this came from higher than Abanes. I wouldn't be surprised if it came from Saddleback RA: Are you serious? ROFL, That, my dear friend, is most definitely NOT true. I would say Warren and no one else at Saddleback is even aware of this issue. What has happened has NOTHING to do with Warren or Saddleback. LoL. Richard Abanes Pop Culture Mix

Ps103 -> RE: Blog Shut Down by 'Christian' Apologist's Threat (8/6/2008 12:33:03 PM)
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