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...would be the same no matter what language it is spoken in...

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ORIGINAL: LBolt

Sorry I haven't read much into this thread, just a few posts here and there...I believe that it's important for us to realize that our heavenly Father's name is Yahovah, Yahweh, YHWH not Allah. Elohim is more appropiate than God, IMO. Names mean a lot. My name would be the same no matter what language it is spoken in. For example "Roger" is "Roger" no matter if one spoke Chinese, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic, Spanish...

The problem with alot of the names of God is that they are linked to paganism (the names of other gods), I believe Elohim is very merciful and realizes that a lot of us jujst don't know...but I think there is coming a time and it's is now, when we have to break from these falsehoods and embrace and use Elohim's proper name.

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ORIGINAL: LBolt

I believe they are indeed refering to Yahushua HaMosiach...But doing history research this probably came from the Greek god Zeus. Our translators for the most part, have not made this correction yet. "Jesus" as we know it is probably roughly 500+ years old. There is no letter "J" or it's sound in the Hebrew Alefbet, in fact it is a relatively new letter. In the scriptures, where you see the letter "J" probably should be the letter "Y" transliterated...in Greek it would have a "I" sound.

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ORIGINAL: LBolt

I believe they are indeed refering to Yahushua HaMosiach...But doing history research this probably came from the Greek god Zeus. Our translators for the most part, have not made this correction yet. "Jesus" as we know it is probably roughly 500+ years old. There is no letter "J" or it's sound in the Hebrew Alefbet, in fact it is a relatively new letter. In the scriptures, where you see the letter "J" probably should be the letter "Y" transliterated...in Greek it would have a "I" sound.

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ORIGINAL: LBolt

There are various scholars who would disagree with you on this on...Especially on the letter "J." Irregardless, my name would be the way it is pronounced no matter the language. George Bush is called "George Bush" not matter who's refering to him. Well...some might have a few other not so nice choice words but you get my drift...

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ORIGINAL: benelchi

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ORIGINAL: LBolt

I believe they are indeed refering to Yahushua HaMosiach...But doing history research this probably came from the Greek god Zeus. Our translators for the most part, have not made this correction yet. "Jesus" as we know it is probably roughly 500+ years old. There is no letter "J" or it's sound in the Hebrew Alefbet, in fact it is a relatively new letter. In the scriptures, where you see the letter "J" probably should be the letter "Y" transliterated...in Greek it would have a "I" sound.

There are several things wrong here:

First, the Yod - 'J' transliteration is far older than 500 years, and is not unique the the name Jehovah, but is present in the transliteration of almost every Hebrew name that contains a 'J'

Second the 'J' sound is not something relatively new, but is fact quite old. It originally existed in Hebrew (but not as a Yod). In Hebrew there are 6 letters known as the BeGeD KaPhat letters. In ancient Hebrew each of these letters had a soft and hard pronunciation, today only three of the letters maintain both, but the grammar still indicates both even in Modern Hebrew. Linguistic archaeologists believe (based on transliterations of ancient Hebrew into the surrounding languages that the dalet when unpointed sounded like our 'J' does today.

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

The Hebrew grammatical rules are very complex, and to explain God's name accordingly would require the writing of a small book. So in a nut shell God says that He is Male and that his name is Holy. He also states that He is Alive and Active. All of that is contained in his name. God's Holy Name "Yahwah' does not break any Hebrew grammatical rules.

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ORIGINAL: LBolt

Getting back to the question you asked me earlier, one scholar, Todd Bennett, I'm currently reading some of his material...There are others. And yes, you are right regarding the word "elohim", this is readily seen throughout the TaNaKH. However, I do not hear of anyone else (deity, that is) refering to themselves as Yahweh or Yahovah. If I'm wrong please point this out. If there is another elohim named Yahweh or Yahovah, please point this out to me.

Thanks!

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What Are the True Sacred Names?



Although even Hebrew experts and scholars disagree as to the exact pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, as much as we can ascertain from study, Yahveh and Yeshua seem to be the most correct transliterations of the Sacred Names (see the paper, The LORD God by S.O.T. Ministries for evidence for Yahveh; see the appendix 1 for Yeshua), although at least 38 different spellings exist among the various Sacred Name Only groups, and over 55 variant spellings for Messiah’s name! It is evident that they cannot all be correct. Even if they did have the “correct” Sacred Name, it does not mean that they will all be saved. Thus there must be more to the “Name” than mere syllables. If the exact pronunciation of God’s name were important to him, there would be no problem finding out what it is. Yet the disagreement of the various Sacred Name groups demonstrates that this matter, vital to salvation in their eyes, is not truly the issue with God.



Very poor scholarship is demonstrated by many Sacred Namers. Just because a word in English sounds like a word in another language does not mean that they are related. The assertions that the word God comes from the Babylonian deity Gad (fortune) or Jesus comes from the Greek Zeus is extremely poor etymology (see appendix 2 for more details).



Sacred Name Only supporters imagine a linguistic connection between the English God and Hebrew Gad (“luck, fortune”). Because the pronunciations of these two words are very similar, they claim that “God” is the Babylonian deity of good luck. However, the fact that two words in two different languages sound the same is not proof that the two words are cognates. On the contrary, such is usually not the case. For example, Spanish con (“with”) has no connection to English cone; German nein (“no”) has no connection whatsoever to English nine; Hebrew ki (“because”) has absolutely no connection to English key; Yiddish teller (“plate”) has nothing to do with English teller; Russian tut (“here”) is not associated with English toot, etcetera ad infinitum.



If the Hebrew word Gad were so terrible per se, there would be no tribe of Israel or prophet of King David by that glorious name. If God didn’t want us to ever pronounce the names of pagan deities, why would certain names of pagan gods be recorded in Holy Writ?



Sacred Name Only believers avoid using even the Hebrew adonai merely because of its similarity to the Greek God Adonis! Some refuse to transliterate Adonai, even though Scripture uses this word over 200 times to refer to the Creator. Some Sacred Name Bibles will even translate Adonai as “Yahweh.” This is not honest translation; it is deliberately misrepresenting what the Hebrew Scripture said, the very crime they accuse mainstream Bible translations of!

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

The Hebrew grammatical rules are very complex, and to explain God's name accordingly would require the writing of a small book. So in a nut shell God says that He is Male and that his name is Holy. He also states that He is Alive and Active. All of that is contained in his name. God's Holy Name "Yahwah' does not break any Hebrew grammatical rules.

Actually it does break several Hebrew grammatical rules. Hebrew word pronunciations are based on Hebrew Grammar. That doesn't mean a word that breaks the rules is necessarily wrong, there are a few words that break the rules. Lilah (night) has a feminine ending in both the singular and plural but it is masculine; ruach spirit or wind is used both in the feminine and masculine i.e. it functions as a "neuter" even though no neuter form exists in Hebrew. However, WE HAVE EVIDENCE that makes it abundantly clear that these words do break the rules. Your claim has been made WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL! It does not take a book to state the points of evidence, it just takes the citation of a reference that shows a similar usage at a similar time period. In Hebrew, just like in English, there are words that break the rules of grammar, but there are far less of them in Hebrew.

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Because God's first name YH defines that He is male there is no need to repete it in His last name WH. His name is two verbs forming the Pronoun Yahwah.

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ORIGINAL: benelchi

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Because God's first name YH defines that He is male there is no need to repete it in His last name WH. His name is two verbs forming the Pronoun Yahwah.

This is complete nonsense. You have moved from something that was just unsupportable i.e the pronunciation of Yahweh to something where all direct evidence stands in contradiction to what you have claimed here. There is not one Hebrew scholar who would support the idea that Yahweh should be divided into two names YH and WH; this is not just unsupportable, it is just plain wrong!

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Exodus 3:13-15. 13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?” (Elohiym means, “God of The Living.”) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living” or “god-s of life,” for those who have life immortal. 14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.” (HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.) 15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah,... WHEN God gave His first name HaYah / YH. Ha is not part of His name, it is the article "THE." After that God gives His full name YHWH / Yahwah.

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

I have been looking at men and women names in Hebrew and I'M seeing contradictions to the rules. I think I'm geting a headache.

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They are just words.

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ORIGINAL: benelchi

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Exodus 3:13-15. 13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?” (Elohiym means, “God of The Living.”) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living” or “god-s of life,” for those who have life immortal. 14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.” (HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.) 15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah,... WHEN God gave His first name HaYah / YH. Ha is not part of His name, it is the article "THE." After that God gives His full name YHWH / Yahwah.

This is also nonsense, HYH meant in the ancient semitic just what it means today "to be/ to exist". It is one of the most well attested verbs in the bible; it is used many times in every biblical book as well as in contemporary literature.

Neither does 'Elohim' mean God of the living, it simply means God (or gods). God of the living is elchi spelled with a 'chet' not a 'hey' and the verb 'live' is also spelled with a 'chet' not a 'hey'; it is CH-Y-H.

BTW - my screen names, 'ben el chi', is 'son of the living God' taken from Ho. 1:10 (2:1 in the Hebrew bible) where 'living God' really is used.


Because it seem like we have come full circle, and are again right back where we were at the beginning of the of this discussion, I think I will bow out rather than repeat the same information I have already provided. Here is one of the previous links where these claims have already been addressed.