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RE: Yahwah - 8/4/2008 11:49:18 AM
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Say Lbolt I brought to their attention, but they came up with allah. Quiet me down on using different names. But I sometimes forget to his hebrew names. Then I guess then I have wrong phone number. If you get what I mean by that.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/6/2008 11:05:20 AM
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Please keep it on the topic. I suggest carrying on this conversation via PM instead of bringing it in here.
Thanks!
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RE: Yahwah - 8/6/2008 11:09:09 AM
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As for the Hebrew language would you not agree that it is better to go to the source. That being a scholar in Hebrew and Archaeology. There are a great many Hebrew scholars who say God's name is different things; well they can't all be right. I have been searching for God,s correct name for twelve years and it is just a matter of giving a better explaination. I will consult some experts to see what I can squeeze out of them.
You made a good point Michael! Precisely. That is another group- scholars – they like rabbis and politicians are legally expected to each hold to his own opinion. It's even considered sort of prestigious :) One can always find a group of scholars that will support such and such idea- and if he doesn’t he can start his own, individual school of thought.
This is the limitation of all applied science and linguistic studies – it is based on currently accepted in mainstream academia circles model of reality. Some new evidence appears – the model changes. That is why butter was good and healthy, then became evil , now it’s good food again.
I go with ( for the most part) mainstream view but if someone digs up and revives a native speaker of ancient Hebrew, not the modern ivrith speaking Professor of Linguistics - I will let him bend my ear. I will take him out for dinner even. 
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RE: Yahwah - 8/6/2008 11:21:38 AM
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One can always find a group of scholars that will support such and such idea- and if he doesn’t he can start his own, individual school of thought.
This is why it's so important for everyone to study themselves.
The Bible that is, google can help, but we can find an equal amount
of pro and con on any subject and then a few others.
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That is why butter was good and healthy, then became evil , now it’s good food again.
I noticed this decades ago. Coffee is bad; NO, coffee is good; No, it's bad; No, it's good.
Eggs are bad; No, eggs are good; No, they're bad; No, they're good.
Just as the issue with butter. There's a new book out called the 24-Hour Diet.
Written by an actual scientist. He debunks all the main stream thinking about diets.
But, what I like, what God created good has always been good; i.e., butter.
Man is the one declaring this is good that is bad, etc.
God's Word never changes; we just change our opinions about it.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/7/2008 2:25:57 AM
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The word HaYah in Hebrew is also the same in ancient Aramaic, but with the meaning of "The Living." I think I know why so many people object to my translation. It's because it does not support the trinity doctrine of "I'am." Anyway, thats my opinion.
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As for the Hebrew language would you not agree that it is better to go to the source. That being a scholar in Hebrew and Archaeology. There are a great many Hebrew scholars who say God's name is different things; well they can't all be right. I have been searching for God,s correct name for twelve years and it is just a matter of giving a better explaination. I will consult some experts to see what I can squeeze out of them.
You made a good point Michael! Precisely. That is another group- scholars – they like rabbis and politicians are legally expected to each hold to his own opinion. It's even considered sort of prestigious :) One can always find a group of scholars that will support such and such idea- and if he doesn’t he can start his own, individual school of thought.
This is the limitation of all applied science and linguistic studies – it is based on currently accepted in mainstream academia circles model of reality. Some new evidence appears – the model changes. That is why butter was good and healthy, then became evil , now it’s good food again.
I go with ( for the most part) mainstream view but if someone digs up and revives a native speaker of ancient Hebrew, not the modern ivrith speaking Professor of Linguistics - I will let him bend my ear. I will take him out for dinner even.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/7/2008 8:46:58 AM
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OK so back to the topic of the pronounciation of Yud Hay Vav Hay, God's personal name.
In ancient hebrew the closest word we have to it is Judah; spelled Yud Hay Dalet Vav Hay and is pronounced Yah hoo-dah. Same spelling but with a D dropped into the middle of it. The vav in this case takes on the vowel sound -oo as in moo.
If we drop the dalet we get Ya-hoo-ah. I do notice the similarity in sound to Yeshua, which may or may not be coincidence. If I had to hazzard a guess, it would be this one. But it is only a guess.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/7/2008 4:19:22 PM
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This is why it's so important for everyone to study themselves.
The Bible that is, google can help, but we can find an equal amount
of pro and con on any subject and then a few others.
Right! Smart fellow you are Carl.
That is why scholars’ opinion needs a grain of salt to validate 'em. There is no idea that can’t be supported by some scholars - presuming you give them a sizable grant- that ‘ll buy you a prof and whole research lab that will prove beyond the reasonable doubt anything you wish, that the earth is flat or warming up Al Gore style.
I can absolutely guarantee that the same can be achieved with any Linguistics department – they , for grant money will find in the good ol Tanach any words the customer wants - be it "Yahweh" or its multiple variations , "Toyota" or "Burger King". Just pay them!
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RE: Yahwah - 8/7/2008 4:23:13 PM
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I think I know why so many people object to my translation. It's because it does not support the trinity doctrine of "I'am."
I see where you getting with this. This forum doesnt allow questioning/ arguing against the Trinity, in which i am a firm believer, so i wouldnt even be interested in it .
Appreciate your politeness , Michael.
But now i am bowing out of this discussion.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/12/2008 3:21:04 PM
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This is why it's so important for everyone to study themselves.
The Bible that is, google can help, but we can find an equal amount
of pro and con on any subject and then a few others.
Right! Smart fellow you are Carl.
That is why scholars’ opinion needs a grain of salt to validate 'em. There is no idea that can’t be supported by some scholars - presuming you give them a sizable grant- that ‘ll buy you a prof and whole research lab that will prove beyond the reasonable doubt anything you wish, that the earth is flat or warming up Al Gore style.
I can absolutely guarantee that the same can be achieved with any Linguistics department – they , for grant money will find in the good ol Tanach any words the customer wants - be it "Yahweh" or its multiple variations , "Toyota" or "Burger King". Just pay them!
This is why I will "agree" with the King James Only crowd when we get into a
discussion. I tell them how much I love the KJV because I can make it say
anything I want to. It never goes over very big when I disclose my feelings
like that. LOL.
I've found information that shows that YHVH is actually from a root-verb.
So if Yahweh is a verb, how can we declare that IT is HIS name?
Just another thought for the mix.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 11:36:00 AM
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I think I know why so many people object to my translation. It's because it does not support the trinity doctrine of "I'am."
I see where you getting with this. This forum doesnt allow questioning/ arguing against the Trinity, ... Subjects that can't withstand debate are usually forbidden.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 11:39:52 AM
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I think I know why so many people object to my translation. It's because it does not support the trinity doctrine of "I'am."
I see where you getting with this. This forum doesnt allow questioning/ arguing against the Trinity, ... Subjects that can't withstand debate are usually forbidden.
And people that hold to heresy are dangerous to those young in the faith.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 11:52:49 AM
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I think I know why so many people object to my translation. It's because it does not support the trinity doctrine of "I'am."
I see where you getting with this. This forum doesnt allow questioning/ arguing against the Trinity, ... Subjects that can't withstand debate are usually forbidden.
And people that hold to heresy are dangerous to those young in the faith.
And that is why Creationism is not allowed to be presented in the public schools against Evolution. Evolution can not withstand debate either.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 12:16:12 PM
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And that is why Creationism is not allowed to be presented in the public schools against Evolution. Evolution can not withstand debate either.
Mike, that's a nice whine but the Trinitarian view has been established for 2 millennia as a core belief of Christianity. If you reject that, then you have something besides Christianity and, therfore, "another gospel" - something Paul said brings a curse on the one who holds it.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 12:45:39 PM
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This is something that saddens me.
We get so "hung up" on this or that and miss the whole ball of wax.
The true gospel:
1. Jesus/Yeshua was born of a virgin.
2. Jesus/Yeshua lived and died for our sins.
3. Jesus/Yeshua was buried.
4. Jesus/Yeshua was resurrected from the dead.
That's the gospel of God given through His prophets.
Romans 1:1 --- passed down by their writings.
Time to get back to the spreading of God's Good News
about His Son being born/crucified for us/and risen from the dead.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 12:48:59 PM
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What is really nice is that GOD knows our hearts and we are judged by what is in there.
And while some people are so stuck on names, what are you going to do with this one, "He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself." Rev. 19:11 and lest you say that is not Jesus, verse 13 declares "He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God."
John 1: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." So that rider is Jesus and He has a name no one but He Himself knows....perhaps we should address Him as Oh Name that no one but He Himself knows? Would that make you happy?
Geez........no wonder we are instructed to stay away from these useless arguments that prove nothing and do nothing but waste time. No affront to those who posted on here other than those who play with words and enjoy doing that more than actually knowing the truth.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 2:18:33 PM
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Yah is HaYah, and He is the HaWah, and He is not the Je of HoVah. I do not want anything to do with the God of HoVah. Je of HoVah is the God of Hell.
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What is really nice is that GOD knows our hearts and we are judged by what is in there.
And while some people are so stuck on names, what are you going to do with this one, "He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself." Rev. 19:11 and lest you say that is not Jesus, verse 13 declares "He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God."
John 1: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." So that rider is Jesus and He has a name no one but He Himself knows....perhaps we should address Him as Oh Name that no one but He Himself knows? Would that make you happy?
Geez........no wonder we are instructed to stay away from these useless arguments that prove nothing and do nothing but waste time. No affront to those who posted on here other than those who play with words and enjoy doing that more than actually knowing the truth.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 2:19:23 PM
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Just because the Trinitarin Christians were able to distroy the Non-Trinitarin Christians, in order to establish Trinitarism; that does not make it true.
Ouchie! Someone is yelling here............
Trinitarian Christians.......destroying the non-Trins........what about the no name that only He knows? Doesn't work for you? Not specific enough to argue about? Someone needs a 'time out' 
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 2:20:45 PM
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Yah is HaYah, and He is the HaWah, and He is not the Je of HoVah. I do not want anything to do with the God of HoVah. Je of HoVah is the God of Hell.
Tsk Tsk man.........no one is forcing you to do anything....chill
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 3:13:13 PM
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Just because the Trinitarin Christians were able to distroy the Non-Trinitarin Christians, in order to establish Trinitarism; that does not make it true.
Mike, you silly person, YOU are here, as well as a host of cults. Y'all ain't destroyed, now are you?
Every time I've crossed paths with a non-Trinitarian, the rest of their theology was also so distorted as to only vaguely resemble Christians. It seems to be a linchpin doctrine without which the rest of one's religion fails.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 3:15:21 PM
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Every time I've crossed paths with a non-Trinitarian, the rest of there theology was also so distorted as to only vaguely resemble Christians. It seems to be a linchpin doctrine without which the rest of one's religion fails.
It also seems to make them quite angry........... 
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 3:36:42 PM
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Sustained argument against the Trinity is a violation of our Terms of Service 15.
Also, if your intent with the large font is to shout, you need to know that is a violation of TOS 12 so it might be advisable to take it down a notch.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 3:57:04 PM
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And we come to it.
I hope this is not what you believe Michael, but once you said Jehovah is the god (little 'g') of hell I know I have heard this before. Either the Jews or the Christians demoized the serpent who was the chief creator and chose to worship Jehovah who is supposed to be the false god seeking to overthrow the good serpent. Is that what you believe. Please say it isn't.
Or would you compare Jehovah to the norse god loki? Simply a mischief maker?
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 4:05:05 PM
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Since you will not give any thought to what I say, I will make it more plain to you. The Hovah part of Je-hovah means RUIN and MISCHIEF in Hebrew, according to Strong's Concordance #1943. Hovah is another form form #1942; RUIN and MISCHIEF quote:
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Just because the Trinitarin Christians were able to distroy the Non-Trinitarin Christians, in order to establish Trinitarism; that does not make it true.
Mike, you silly person, YOU are here, as well as a host of cults. Y'all ain't destroyed, now are you?
Every time I've crossed paths with a non-Trinitarian, the rest of their theology was also so distorted as to only vaguely resemble Christians. It seems to be a linchpin doctrine without which the rest of one's religion fails.
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 4:09:08 PM
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Another 'hot topic' presented by this OP is "The word church is not found in Scripture"....he also states in his 1st post that he does not believe in Angels. Yet he calls himself MT ArchAngel........... 
still yelling too............
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RE: Yahwah - 8/13/2008 4:10:16 PM
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Since you will not give any thought to what I say, I will make it more plain to you. The Hovah part of Je-hovah means RUIN and MISCHIEF in Hebrew, according to Strong's Concordance #1943. Hovah is another form form #1942; RUIN and MISCHIEF
Mike, that had absolutely nothing to do with my post, other than to confirm how bad theology flows from the anti-Trinity premise.
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