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MichaelTheeArchAngel -> Yahwah (7/29/2008 1:02:48 PM)

Yahwah


Yahwah is God¡¦s personal name based upon the ancient Semitic language. Take note that the letter [ƒ¶] in Biblical Hebrew was known as waw and pronounced as w, as in [ƒµƒnƒ¶ƒnƒµƒnƒº] Yhwh, ¡§Yahwah.¡¨ In Modern Hebrew [ƒ¶] is known as vav and pronounced as v. The derivation of Yahwah is from the ancient Semitic words HaYah and HaWah.
HaYah means ¡§The Life or The Living.¡¨ HaWah means ¡§The Beginning or The happening.¡¨ This is a partial list of words associated HaWah: Be, is, was, became, happened and appeared.

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, ¡§Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?¡¨ (Elohiym means, ¡§God of The Living.¡¨) It can also be translated as ¡§god-s of the living¡¨ or ¡§god-s of life,¡¨ for those who have life immortal.
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, ¡§The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.¡¨ (HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.)
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, ¡§Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That¡¦s my name forever, the name by which I¡¦m to be remembered, from generation to generation.¡¨
Psalms 22:22.
I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you.
Psalm 66:4.
All the earth bows down to you; they sing praise to you, they sing praise to your name." Selah. (Selah means to pause and consider.)
Psalms 83.
16 Cover their faces with shame so that men will seek your name, O Yahwah.
17 May they ever be ashamed and dismayed; may they perish in disgrace.
18 Let them know that you, whose name is Yahwah, that you alone are the Most High over all the earth. To see the rest click here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwah

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MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/29/2008 1:14:55 PM)

Fritz, if you would re-edit the Hebrew font and any other glitch it would be nice.



Odeliya -> RE: Yahwah (7/29/2008 1:38:35 PM)

Michael, my friend,

In this form( cubes) it will be difficult to retransliterate it back, without just editing the text manually, so let's not bug our dear Papa Fritz, he is busy as is.

Lets give the link to wiki article on Yahweh and Tetragrammaton and everyone can see what you talking about.

I got a question , though- where are we getting with this ?



JimboFletch -> RE: Yahwah (7/29/2008 3:33:51 PM)

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A brief history lesson

It was too late to be brief by the time you got to that place.

Anywhat, I prefer to address Him as my Lord and Savior did, Abba, Father. Any objections?

If not, we can close this puppy and have a cup of good coffee and a donut - or two.
[;)]



Lapidoth -> RE: Yahwah (7/29/2008 3:43:03 PM)

I'm with Odeliya in wondering what direction this is taking.

Are we starting a "Sacred Name Only" debate?

I have files and files for either side of this debate.
I call Him , Father.......... like Jimbo.

Exodus 3 says [ehyeh asher ehyeh] (sp?).
This is another attribute of God as the other names are an attribute.

I AM {whatever is needed}

Self-Sufficient. Non-Dependent One.

We on the other hand are the created ones; Dependent ones.



MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/29/2008 7:36:04 PM)

I have had people who said they were Christians say they did not care who Yahwah is, nor did they want to have anything to do with Him. And they have said they will call God what ever they want. I have also had those who say they are Christians say the commandments have been done away with, and there is no need to keep them. And then I have heared it said that it's OK to join Paganism and their holydays to Christianity. The information I provided is for those Christians who care and want to know what God's real name is, without any Pagan or Gnostic deceptions. So if you are one of the Christians that cares, then the information that I provided is for you, and not the others.



Bluethread -> RE: Yahwah (7/29/2008 7:49:02 PM)

Believe me I understand your frustration. However, if we get too dogmatic, we get nowhere. It is very important to set the groundwork through dialog before one requires others acknowledge ones views head to tail.

Now that you have begun the thread with the title you have. it might be best if you start over again with the one or two major arguments regarding your beliefs about The Name of Adonai. Once you have recieved a response, then you can move on from there.



evry1needsgod -> RE: Yahwah (7/29/2008 10:24:02 PM)

I call Him God. Is that a problem?



MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/29/2008 10:40:47 PM)

There are many gods, but there is only one Yahwah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwah



MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/29/2008 11:28:59 PM)

Even without the Hebrew letter charactors I think the point is well made; there is no ho or vav in the original Hebrew. Because I am a Judaeo Christian, (A Judaizing Christian) and not an Orthodox Jew or Orthodox Catholic, I do not believe in hiding God's real name.
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ORIGINAL: Bluethread

Believe me I understand your frustration. However, if we get too dogmatic, we get nowhere. It is very important to set the groundwork through dialog before one requires others acknowledge ones views head to tail.

Now that you have begun the thread with the title you have. it might be best if you start over again with the one or two major arguments regarding your beliefs about The Name of Adonai. Once you have recieved a response, then you can move on from there.



Zhi -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 12:15:28 AM)

Hmm. Do you consider proper pronunciation of Yeshua to be of similar import, out of curiosity?



MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 12:24:53 AM)

Yes I do, and this is the reason: Exodus 23:21
Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. His correct name is Yahshua. Yah shua means "Life Savior." Yahwah is Yah.

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ORIGINAL: Zhi

Hmm. Do you consider proper pronunciation of Yeshua to be of similar import, out of curiosity?



MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 12:30:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zhi

Hmm. Do you consider proper pronunciation of Yeshua to be of similar import, out of curiosity?

quote:

The optimist says the glass is half full. The pessimist says the glass is half empty. The engineer says the glass is twice as large as it needs to be.
And the realist wants to know what prior state the liquid was in, for the glass to be half full or half empty.



Zhi -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 12:32:56 AM)

Hmm. Also out of curiosity, do you take issue with Yahshua referring to God as Abba (Father) rather than Yahwah, including in His instructions to the disciples regarding how they should pray (specifically in the Lord's Prayer)? Or is Father also an acceptable form of address (or would you prefer Abba)?



MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 12:43:23 AM)

Abba or Father is a term of endearment and is also used in the Old Testament.
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ORIGINAL: Zhi

Hmm. Also out of curiosity, do you take issue with Yahshua referring to God as Abba (Father) rather than Yahwah, including in His instructions to the disciples regarding how they should pray (specifically in the Lord's Prayer)? Or is Father also an acceptable form of address (or would you prefer Abba)?



Zhi -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 12:53:03 AM)

I guess I'm just trying to figure out where the lines are here, in order to understand the specifics of your expectations.

If the form of address is in the Bible, would you consider it okay? For instance, El Shaddai, El Elyon, Adonai, Abba, etc?

If so, are the translated forms of the form of addresses in the Bible also okay? For instance, equivalents "Almighty", "Most High", "Lord", and "Father"? Or do we need to use the original language of those?



MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 12:57:43 AM)

All of those are name titles, but His actual personal name is Yahwah.
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ORIGINAL: Zhi

I guess I'm just trying to figure out where the lines are here, in order to understand the specifics of your expectations.

If the form of address is in the Bible, would you consider it okay? For instance, El Shaddai, El Elyon, Adonai, Abba, etc?

If so, are the translated forms of the form of addresses in the Bible also okay? For instance, equivalents "Almighty", "Most High", "Lord", and "Father"? Or do we need to use the original language of those?



Zhi -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 1:01:49 AM)

So you're basically being informative, but you're okay with people referring to God (translation of Elohim) by any other titles that are given in the Bible?

Like many others on the thread, I'm mostly wondering where you're going with this.



MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 1:17:55 AM)

It's just to establish His name as a matter of fact. That is, for those who are able to accept it as fact. Now I have met people who have said that everything I say is an opinion. All of the facts are there to follow, to the roots of the ancient semitic language. This is His name before the babylonian captivity.
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ORIGINAL: Zhi

So you're basically being informative, but you're okay with people referring to God (translation of Elohim) by any other titles that are given in the Bible?

Like many others on the thread, I'm mostly wondering where you're going with this.



JimboFletch -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 9:35:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

There are many gods, but there is only one Yahwah.

And I still only have one Abba, Father.

Why should we adopt a certain name, one not used by God the Son, to refer to Him? That smacks just a little of superstition to me.



MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 10:08:26 AM)

Yahshua did reveal Yahwah's name, but the Catholic Church removed them from the New and Old Testaments. Also the Quotes by Yahshua and the disciples had God's personal name in them, but they were replaced by the word "Lord." That was so no one would know God's personal name or that Yahshua was Jesus actual birth name. Did you study the scripture that I posted above? Are you a Catholic?
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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

There are many gods, but there is only one Yahwah.

And I still only have one Abba, Father.

Why should we adopt a certain name, one not used by God the Son, to refer to Him? That smacks just a little of superstition to me.



JimboFletch -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 10:16:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

....Are you a Catholic?

Nope, I'm just not superstitious about addressing my heavenly Father by some magical word. Why are you adverse to calling Him what Jesus did are you a Yahwah's Witness?



JimboFletch -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 10:36:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel
...Did you study the scripture that I posted above?...

I noticed that you referenced "Chapter 69 of Enoch." That isn't in my Protestant NT - in any of the versions I recognize as credible. Before today, I only thought Catholics accepted apocryphal books. What sect do you ascribe to, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church?



MichaelTheeArchAngel -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 12:58:34 PM)

I have no objection to calling Yahwah, Father.
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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

....Are you a Catholic?

Nope, I'm just not superstitious about addressing my heavenly Father by some magical word. Why are you adverse to calling Him what Jesus did are you a Yahwah's Witness?



Zhi -> RE: Yahwah (7/30/2008 12:59:56 PM)

Do you have any objection to calling Yahwah God?



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