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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 11:20:06 AM
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Jhud
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Methinks Jhud is pulling a few legs.
Well, as usual, tongue-in-cheek with something in the middle to think about.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 12:02:42 PM
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What a narrow minded view...shocking.
Devastation is happening every single second around the world. Murders, tornadoes, slaughters, kidnappings, bombs, disease, starvation, car accidents etc. These disasters impact the people at the center, forgiven as well as unforgiven, just as much as an event that makes, oh let's say for argument, Fox News.
The unfortunate thing is that these events give "Card Carrying Christian Club Members" ammunition to pick out their favorite group of "sinners" and apply a random disaster. The hilarious thing is, it's usually not a sin the Club Member is involved in at the time. 9-11 was a perfect example of God's judgement on the U.S. for, I think it was homosexuality at the time.
What about people who die in wars where there is little homosexuality. Oh, phooey, we have to pick a new sin card. Ah you chose smoking...go back three spaces....oh good you landed on over-eating.
To God sin is sin and all sin is punishable by eternal separation from Him. Any action that does not honor God is sin. Period. If you start listing off "sins" as "gooder" or "badder" and deserving of an earthquake or tornado, you'll have a bunch of corrupt self-deputized Christians running around with bats (some literal, some through the media) in the streets. Oh wait we already do. I think we saw that scenario in Jesus' day, yes? And who was Jesus having the most trouble with and why?
This is one reason I have taken myself out of the "Club Inc." mob mentality empire they call Church today. It's very sad as I'm seeking a Body to fellowship with. A Body that follows Jesus' "INSIDE OUT" life not the "OUTSIDE IN" lifestyle that I WAS trying to cram down the throat of the lost.
It's about relationships people. Don't judge, bash, ridicule and bonk the lost about the head and then expect them to want anything at all to do with your Jesus? It's only by GRACE you are not one OF them! I guess it really depends on if your REAL goal is Kingdom growth and not country club growth.
It is probably safer to just send out media bombs (through Focus and other political means) and hope that the lost gets gooder and meets you under your $500,000 steeple to come forward at the invitation time right before the offering plates make their way around?
Instead...Live Christ. Love them. Show them. Or I guess you could bonk me about the head too.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 12:13:53 PM
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What a narrow minded view...shocking.
Devastation is happening every single second around the world. Murders, tornadoes, slaughters, kidnappings, bombs, disease, starvation, car accidents etc. These disasters impact the people at the center, forgiven as well as unforgiven, just as much as an event that makes, oh let's say for argument, Fox News.
The unfortunate thing is that these events give "Card Carrying Christian Club Members" ammunition to pick out their favorite group of "sinners" and apply a random disaster. The hilarious thing is, it's usually not a sin the Club Member is involved in at the time. 9-11 was a perfect example of God's judgement on the U.S. for, I think it was homosexuality at the time.
What about people who die in wars where there is little homosexuality. Oh, phooey, we have to pick a new sin card. Ah you chose smoking...go back three spaces....oh good you landed on over-eating.
To God sin is sin and all sin is punishable by eternal separation from Him. Any action that does not honor God is sin. Period. If you start listing off "sins" as "gooder" or "badder" and deserving of an earthquake or tornado, you'll have a bunch of corrupt self-deputized Christians running around with bats (some literal, some through the media) in the streets. Oh wait we already do. I think we saw that scenario in Jesus' day, yes? And who was Jesus having the most trouble with and why?
This is one reason I have taken myself out of the "Club Inc." mob mentality empire they call Church today. It's very sad as I'm seeking a Body to fellowship with. A Body that follows Jesus' "INSIDE OUT" life not the "OUTSIDE IN" lifestyle that I WAS trying to cram down the throat of the lost.
It's about relationships people. Don't judge, bash, ridicule and bonk the lost about the head and then expect them to want anything at all to do with your Jesus? It's only by GRACE you are not one OF them! I guess it really depends on if your REAL goal is Kingdom growth and not country club growth.
It is probably safer to just send out media bombs (through Focus and other political means) and hope that the lost gets gooder and meets you under your $500,000 steeple to come forward at the invitation time right before the offering plates make their way around?
Instead...Live Christ. Love them. Show them. Or I guess you could bonk me about the head too.
Actually, I see no evidence you actually read anything anyone here said, or you simply gave a knee-jerk reaction to something you thought you read. As I said in Post #: 10, the proper response when faced with any of the potential disasters that might befall us as Christ taught was to contemplate repentance lest we suffer a similar fate.
The wrong response to such events would then be first that, "This has nothing to do with with what we have done, and what we should do". In fact a Christian who told Californians, "Continue as if none of these events matter" would be giving the most unloving, and incidentally ungodly response, as it presents events, disastrous or otherwise, as being the product of merely incidental, and so makes God irrelevant.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 12:18:47 PM
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In fact a Christian who told Californians, "Continue as if none of these events matter" would be giving the most unloving, and incidentally ungodly response, as it presents events, disastrous or otherwise, as being the product of merely incidental, and so makes God irrelevant.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 12:36:52 PM
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Genesis 8:21 my friend.
Since you DO know the mind of God and His intention with the earthquake, what's your take on the flooding and tornados in the so-called Bible Belt? Is that "devine retribution" against those so-called "Godly folk" as well. You know the ones that don't tolerate sin as much as us Californians? How about those Texans and the hurricane? Is a blizzard up north "divine retribution" too?
Oh woe! We're all going to hell!!! But this hell is sure a pretty place! I'm going to have to go to the beach and contemplate my fate!
First off, I don't have to guess at the response we should have to such things or God's motives, because we are plainly told what response we are to have to such things:
Luke 13:2-3
And Jesus said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
And so when I see Californians suffering thusly from a myriad of disasters, the answer I have for myself is, "unless I repent, I will likewise perish". The message for Californians who continue to face the consequences of such disasters is "unless you repent, you will all likewise perish".
It's no particular judgement on them to advise them of the words of Christ which apply to us all.
And incidentally, a blizzard is a great motivator for repentance, a yearly reminder in these parts that, 'but for the grace of God (and His provision of a working furnace)' go I.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 12:49:15 PM
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Great verse Kat.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 12:56:57 PM
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Jack, we're all going to perish in some way or another and Jesus is talking about our perishable souls not bodies! Our souls will perish due to a lack of repentance and that's the tragedy not the earthquake, flood, fire, etc. which is a natural tragedy but is also an opportunity to show our stuff as Christians. What a witness to a non-Christian if we show them the selfless nature of Christ during a natural disaster!
Of course we could always "comfort" them by saying that this is "divine retribution" for their sins from our "loving" God who loved us so much He died for us! Just remember to duck when they throw the rocks! 
I never thought that being a "good repentant Christian" meant you got a free pass from suffering! Or immunity from natural disasters!
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 1:10:11 PM
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Jack, we're all going to perish in some way or another and Jesus is talking about our perishable souls not bodies! Our souls will perish due to a lack of repentance and that's the tragedy not the earthquake, flood, fire, etc. which is a natural tragedy but is also an opportunity to show our stuff as Christians. What a witness to a non-Christian if we show them the selfless nature of Christ during a natural disaster!
Of course we could always "comfort" them by saying that this is "divine retribution" for their sins from our "loving" God who loved us so much He died for us! Just remember to duck when they throw the rocks!
I never thought that being a "good repentant Christian" meant you got a free pass from suffering! Or immunity from natural disasters!
Well, actually I think you highlight two alternate and wrong conclusions.
The first would be, "If I obey God I will never suffer in this world". God of course never promises that, in fact He indicates that our following Him may in and itself cause us to experience forms of suffering.
The second error would be to say, "Suffering that is the product of natural events has nothing to do with people obeying God".
This flies in the face of specific events detailed in the Bible, the ultimate sovereignty of God, and the plain fact that many such disasters are exacerbated by poor human choices (like building one's house on the side of an eroded hill).
Of course we need to care for those who suffer from such a events, but this fact doesn't exclude pointing to truth, and one truth we should point to is that human actions can and do effect certain consequences, however 'natural' they might seem to be - and we ignore such realities at our own peril.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 2:02:16 PM
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So a loaded statement such as this wasn't meant? You are backpedaling methinks!
From another "un-repentant" Californian.
BTW, here's hoping your state stays on the straight and narrow you might be cursed with hundreds of miles of beautiful beaches or (God forbid) the redwood or Sequoia forests or some other natural disaster like that!
Well, my state always teeters on the verge of going the way of California, which is part of my concern - though technically we have more miles of beach than Califonia does, as well as 20 times the amount of state forest land.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 3:12:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
Considering the degree to which Californians will shrug off a series of disasters as being unconnected to their own behaviors and choices, one begins to understand why such severity is a necessary response to human folly.
Genesis 8:21 my friend.
Matthew 24, my friend.
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" 4 "And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows."
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 3:37:28 PM
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Actually, I see no evidence you actually read anything anyone here said, or you simply gave a knee-jerk reaction to something you thought you read. As I said in Post #: 10, the proper response when faced with any of the potential disasters that might befall us as Christ taught was to contemplate repentance lest we suffer a similar fate.
The wrong response to such events would then be first that, "This has nothing to do with with what we have done, and what we should do". In fact a Christian who told Californians, "Continue as if none of these events matter" would be giving the most unloving, and incidentally ungodly response, as it presents events, disastrous or otherwise, as being the product of merely incidental, and so makes God irrelevant.
Actually I think I have read your posts just fine, thank you. Even the additional back-up-the-train ones. And I think there is plenty of evidence in my response that I've hit the nail on the head.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 3:38:54 PM
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Why is it California? Don't you think all of the U.S.A. is not better neither? California is not the only one who has problems and issues, believe me....
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 3:40:49 PM
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Actually I think I have read your posts just fine, thank you. Even the additional back-up-the-train ones. And I think there is plenty of evidence in my response that I've hit the nail on the head.
If making things up counts as evidence, then your response more than qualifies.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 3:44:18 PM
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Why is it California? Don't you think all of the U.S.A. is not better neither? California is not the only one who has problems and issues, believe me....
I never said California is the only place that has problems and issues. It may be a leader in that respect, but it certainly isn't alone. Everywhere there are humans there are problems.
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 5:09:19 PM
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I'm sorry that I misread your messages.
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"Considering that God seems to be gunning for California, "
I thought you were saying that it was apparent that God was "gunning for California".
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"Certainly - I consider California a warning to all of us. A shot across the bow as it were."
I thought you were saying that a California earthquake was a "shot across the bow". To which I think I said that things like that happen every second everywhere. Which was where my "narrow minded" comment came from and is accurate.
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Californians has been fried, dried, drowned, and forced to live under a dictatorship. They have been cast into darkness, and starved.
If they want to chalk all that up to 'natural occurences', they are free to do so, but I think I would be gathering up my first born and heading for the border.
I thought you were grouping Californians into a labeled group of sinners based on borders. Because we know Californians have been fried and all that stuff you mentioned. And your opinion of their government is surely God's opinion. Jesus told us that God would judge us all geographically and punish us with bad government...I just can't remember where. And since Californians have been cast into darkness and starved...well we can cut their evangelizing television then. Who needs their "darkness"?
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Just out of curiousity, if California were being punished, how would it look different?
A better question is why would God single out California? Which leads to my point...is their sin any worse ("gooder" or "badder") than anybody else? Do they sin more than say...Texas? Not much at all happens in Texas...they must be closer to God...than say anywhere along the Mississippi River.
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It always seemed the best bet was to follow what I have come to call the 'Siloam Tower' principle ; that being when one contemplates the disasters that have befallen other sinners, one should always consider repentance as an option, both for oneself and others.
It would just seem at this juncture that Californians have more opportunity to consider that than the rest of us.
I THOUGHT you were saying that California gets more opportunity to consider their sin nature "than the rest of us", because the Iowa floods, New Orleans Hurricane, Oklahoma tornadoes don't conjure up such consideration. There have been so many more disasters in California. I guess they need more reminding. Are you sure it's not just a specific number of COUNTIES in California that are causing God's wrath? Or is it just California as a whole that you're putting in a jar? How about the west coast. Because Washington and Oregon get earthquakes too.
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Well, I didn't base it merely on a single earthquake - I based it on ongoing fires, droughts, mudslides, food, water, and energy shortages, and having to be ruled by a Terminator. It maybe that these plagues are simply life as usual in CA, but from an outsider, it appears Someone is trying to get your attention - and I just wonder at what point one offers up repentance as possible option. It wouldn't seem that it would hurt at this point.
The other thing I find interesting from a purely theological perspective is viewing these events in light of the claim I often hear from secular folks that the plagues and punishments of the OT were unfair and unnecessarily cruel.
Considering the degree to which Californians will shrug off a series of disasters as being unconnected to their own behaviors and choices, one begins to understand why such severity is a necessary response to human folly.
I THOUGHT you were grouping Californians into a sin group again...because God punishes us by our state of residence now. I thought you were mocking their governor. I thought you were dismissing the New Mexico Fires, the Colorado Fires, the Thailand disasters and mudslides. I thought you were saying that California as a state (? :-) ) shall face God's eternal wrath. Grab children and run. That's what I THOUGHT you were saying.
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In fact a Christian who told Californians, "Continue as if none of these events matter" would be giving the most unloving, and incidentally ungodly response, as it presents events, disastrous or otherwise, as being the product of merely incidental, and so makes God irrelevant.
I thought you were telling Christians that not telling Californians (because there is a distinction you know) to take note of their disasters and repent was an unloving response. Because we know that other states don't face those disasters in frequency....so surely Californians' much more frequent mishaps are related to the whole state's sinful practices.
So I guess I took all of your quotes wrong. Because I thought you were "making stuff up" and saying that an American state would be judged and punished collectively. And that you were attributing natural (or not) occurrences and bad government to a form of God's punishment that happens more often in California than anywhere else....so surely it's a sign.
Your comments are WHY...
...why I made myself so clear. And it's that collective message that is WAY off base. That message will eventually bite you in the butt as you, in your own geographic location face trials of many kinds and have to answer for them to the very people you grouped as a state and collectively accused of being rebellious.
And in my original message I took it even farther - because your message which is the same message being preached and politicized by the American Church Inc. "empire" is what causes a hypocritical view of the Church.
Just look at the disasters that have hit churches over the past two years. Pastors fall to drug and sex scandals like crazy. Did you post a similar message about judging New Life Church in Colorado about their collective sin when they got shot up? Because surely that must of happened to their people because of the homosexual sins of their pastor, right? But then what about YWAM that was shot up by the same shooter?
Disasters happen because of sin. Right after our first sin act and from then on. That's why we are out here where things hurt us instead of in the garden out of harm's way.
By collectively judging people based on political party (government) and geographic location you are doing a major disservice to God's desire to work, discipline and LOVE us as individuals.
I feel sorry for people who have a sledge hammer God. I really feel sorry that a lot of sledge hammer Christians will never know the true LOVING God that sent his Son WHILE WE WERE SINNERS to save us from ourselves and give us a chance to be with him.
This life is nothing. Disasters, fires, losing everything even death. To die is gain. We only need Jesus...everything else is fluff and in the way. And having it taken away may not even be punishment. Maybe having no major damages or death tolls yesterday was God showing that he LOVES California and will protect them. Don't instinctively jump to the sledge hammer God.
My last word to you....while you are painting your retribution God mural, don't forget to add a few tiny hearts in there somewhere. While you are wagging your finger at others' sin because of where they live...maybe show a little of God's love too.
My knee is done jerking for the day. So have fun and tear it all to pieces ...
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/30/2008 6:18:00 PM
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I thought you were saying that it was apparent that God was "gunning for California".
Just an option.
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I thought you were saying that a California earthquake was a "shot across the bow". To which I think I said that things like that happen every second everywhere. Which was where my "narrow minded" comment came from and is accurate.
Actually, I never limited my comments to only this earthquake – but I think that as much as natural events are Providentially allowed by God, and as much as such Providence can be tied to our activities, to say they are merely incidental would be difficult to support theologically. So then, would you argue that things ‘just happen’ outside of God’s control, or that God ultimately has a purpose in what happens?
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I thought you were grouping Californians into a labeled group of sinners based on borders. Because we know Californians have been fried and all that stuff you mentioned. And your opinion of their government is surely God's opinion. Jesus told us that God would judge us all geographically and punish us with bad government...I just can't remember where. And since Californians have been cast into darkness and starved...well we can cut their evangelizing television then. Who needs their "darkness"?
First off, God’s opinion is God’s opinion – we might debate about what that opinion is, but I think you would agree God certainly has a viewpoint on what goes on in the world.
And I don’t know how much He recognizes state borders, but there is little doubt He has dealt with nations collectively – indeed, from the letters of Paul to the Revelation of John, there is a collective communication to the Romans, Corinthians, Hebrews, etc. So in part the fate of the society around us impacts our earthly fate, and we should at the very least be interested in it. I don’t see any Biblical justification for claiming that the actions of others, whether it is in our church, our neighborhood, our state or our country, have no relationship to the any sort of consequences, whether those consequences are personal, social, or natural.
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A better question is why would God single out California? Which leads to my point...is their sin any worse ("gooder" or "badder") than anybody else? Do they sin more than say...Texas? Not much at all happens in Texas...they must be closer to God...than say anywhere along the Mississippi River.
I don’t think to say that California’s suffering might be related to its collective choices or the choices of it’s leaders is ‘singling it out’ anymore than it is to say to a person who keeps walking into walls that they might invest in some glasses is ‘singling them out’. It really has nothing to do with what might be happening to others.
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I THOUGHT you were saying that California gets more opportunity to consider their sin nature "than the rest of us", because the Iowa floods, New Orleans Hurricane, Oklahoma tornadoes don't conjure up such consideration. There have been so many more disasters in California. I guess they need more reminding. Are you sure it's not just a specific number of COUNTIES in California that are causing God's wrath? Or is it just California as a whole that you're putting in a jar? How about the west coast. Because Washington and Oregon get earthquakes too.
Actually, that might be a reasonable discussion, and we have a couple of choices. The first would be, ‘All natural disasters are the ultimately the Providence of God and serve some greater purpose’. The second might be, “Natural disasters are completely unrelated to God’s purposes’. I would suggest at the very least a Christian is required to believe the former.
Now a Christian might argue that while it is true that, “All natural disasters are the ultimately the Providence of God and serve some greater purpose” it may not be possible to discern exactly what those purposes are – and I would agree with that assessment. But I don’t think it then follows that we either disregard the events, or disregard how they might be related to our own future choices – in fact, I would say to do so would contradict Christ’s directive in Luke 13, which is fairly specific. So I cannot accept your proscription to ignore such events, and that it is somehow judgmental to consider them in light of repentance.
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I THOUGHT you were grouping Californians into a sin group again...because God punishes us by our state of residence now. I thought you were mocking their governor. I thought you were dismissing the New Mexico Fires, the Colorado Fires, the Thailand disasters and mudslides. I thought you were saying that California as a state (? :-) ) shall face God's eternal wrath. Grab children and run. That's what I THOUGHT you were saying.
Well, again, we often suffer the fate of the society around us – this can be evidenced regularly in Scripture. To say that your neighbor can dump toxic waste on their lawn and it will have no effect on you because you don’t do the same is foolish – in the same way, it would be foolish to say that the moral decisions of the leaders and people in your state would have no effect on your life would be equally foolish.
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I thought you were telling Christians that not telling Californians (because there is a distinction you know) to take note of their disasters and repent was an unloving response. Because we know that other states don't face those disasters in frequency....so surely Californians' much more frequent mishaps are related to the whole state's sinful practices.
Actually, that is exactly what I was saying – that that noting the consequences of sinful choices, and the brevity of life, should compel us to consider repentance – that’s fairly clear in Luke 13.
As to the rest, I never connected any of this to a particular set of politics. We don’t ‘repent’ of a political stand.
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My last word to you....while you are painting your retribution God mural, don't forget to add a few tiny hearts in there somewhere. While you are wagging your finger at others' sin because of where they live...maybe show a little of God's love too.
While I have said from the beginning one cannot tie event X to choice Y, placing one’s head in the sand and pretending that we do not reap what we sow is much more deadly and unloving than to reiterate the warning Christ Himself gave.
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William F. Buckley Jr. 1925-2008
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 7/31/2008 12:19:57 PM
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Jhud
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Well, all the children are above average, you know.
This is true, and the women are strong, and men good looking.
We do of course have a regularly scheduled natural disaster every year called 'winter'. It is much
like Paul's thorn, it keeps us from getting too full of ourselves as we live in God's country the remainder of the time.
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William F. Buckley Jr. 1925-2008
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RE: I'ts Shaking in So Cal... 5.8 Quake - 8/1/2008 7:24:26 AM
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And the people there suffer from what know as the Lake Wobegon effect!
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