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deliveredarling -> L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/29/2008 6:24:09 PM)

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What do you think about this? Too much government control or is it a decent reason?



Miss Giggles -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/29/2008 6:49:47 PM)

It's not a permanent ban, the city would be stupid to deny itself a source of revenue.

The problem is grocery stores do not set themselves up in the inner city. When you have a high crime rate and the majority of your customers on food stamps you don't make any money selling healthy and fresh foods.

We have the same problem here. All the major grocers have pulled out of Detroit. If they have the means they shop in the suburbs. If they can't drive then they end up shopping at gas stations and mini marts



rcjames -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/29/2008 7:06:49 PM)

Does Mickey Dees take food stamps? I don't think so.

And besides, I don't believe that tofu and watercress will sell very well in South L.A.

Just more un-needed governmental interference.

Thanks
RC



Miss Giggles -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/29/2008 7:10:22 PM)

Here even if they are on food stamps they get a certain amount of cash. But I agree with rcjames that food is cultural.

If people are conditioned that they can't afford to cook or they don't have access to fresh ingredients than fast food is going to be their only option.



deliveredarling -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/29/2008 7:56:54 PM)

I totally agree too much interference. I've heard it said that if something starts in california then it progresses to the rest of the country. However, wasn't it New York that started the trans fat ban? Shouldn't they be more worried about the quality of the food sources that whether or not it's fast food? Seems to me that fast food isn't killing people or spurring salmonella poisoning....



FurGodWurLivin -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 3:29:11 AM)

You mean they are going to make the poor people go farther to get a happy meal?

Basically, if people desire something, make it as hard you like but people are still going to get it. Smoking is a great example. The price could shoot up to $5 a pack and people would still smoke... complaining about the price the whole time.

Adam



rcjames -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 8:54:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Miss Giggles
If people are conditioned that they can't afford to cook or they don't have access to fresh ingredients than fast food is going to be their only option.


Brown rice, water, and canned fish are healthy, but not considered fresh and are much more economical than fast food.

Having access to "Fresh" foods is not a requirment to have healthy food.

Thanks
RC



SonInMe1 -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 12:32:08 PM)

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“They should open more healthy places,” Dorothy Meighan said outside a Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet. “There’s too much fried stuff.”


If this was a true sentiment of many of the people who live in these areas then some enterprising person would have met that want.

I just don't think it is.

Maybe the correlation between those in poverty and obesity isn't because their food options are limited. Maybe its because some of the reasons why they are poor also control other aspects of their life like how they choose to take care of themselves.

Also, this ban isn't to take away the fast food joints. Its to stop new restaraunts for one year. I doubt any impact would be felt but once again, some politician will wave this bill in front of the voter's faces saying he did something for them.



mapachito13 -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 1:18:59 PM)

I've never seen so many obese "poor" people in any country other than the US. Even most of the homeless people look "well fed". Also, if you go to any of the "projects" I see just as many satellite dishes as in the burbs!

So I don't think the US poor can even hold a candle to those in other countries.



colliefan -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 1:23:07 PM)

also, look at the jobs that will be lost as a result of this edicit



Rufas2000 -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 3:30:41 PM)

I completely oppose it. Another example of government trying to run amok.

However I guess its only temporary and just to attract more healthy options. Good goal but this method probably won't work. Most likely as soon as they lift the ban fast fooderies will expand (or these "healthy" places will become less healthy) and will crowd the newly built healthy eateries out of business.

Especially a bad idea during a soft period in our economy.



uncabeeil -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 3:58:59 PM)

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The price could shoot up to $5 a pack and people would still smoke.
Currently $6.50 here but that hasn't stopped many.

The government has no right to tell me how, what, or where to eat. I hope somebody challenges this idiotic law.



gaylel1 -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 6:24:36 PM)

As a former resident of South Central L.A, this was a long time coming because there are way too many fast food resturants there. These type of restuants are an eyesore and these developers want to dump these restuants in the inner city instead of those developers putting those resturants which are healthy such as a Subway or a Red Lobster or a Olive Garden or other heart-healthy places. And when there are too many Popeyes or Churches or Mickey D's, something is wrong with this picture.

This is the same with markets because people in the inner city has sub-standard foods which has higher prices than those in the more affulent areas such as Beverly Hills--but that is going to change too because people in the inner city are tired of being shortchanged as far as food selection goes and this is just the beginning.





gaylel1 -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 6:33:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Miss Giggles

Here even if they are on food stamps they get a certain amount of cash. But I agree with rcjames that food is cultural.

If people are conditioned that they can't afford to cook or they don't have access to fresh ingredients than fast food is going to be their only option.




Ms. Giggles, there is no such thing as food stamps and the goverment no longer give them out. They give out ABT cards. Secondly, the reason why they cannot afford to cook (which is an excuse it inself--and poor people always found a way to cook, even if they were struggling) because they are not educated about nutrition because of the haves and the have not. Secondly, poor people has been demanding to have good supermarkets and restuants which promote healthy eating because they want the same thing their counterparts in the burbs want also.



Miss Giggles -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 6:42:35 PM)

I know they are electronic now, however most people still refer to the system as "food stamps" which is why I used the term. In michigan its called the bridge card. And it's EBT, not ABT.

But I still think that people who can barely afford food are not going to go a panera bread or other cafe place and pay 8.00 for a panini because its healthier. They are going to eat off the dollar menu or get a burger combo.


Which is another point, Americans are being conditioned that bigger portions mean a better value. Every time I go to Wendy's they hand me some gigantic drink that I can't finish because that's what the serving size is.



Rufas2000 -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 6:51:26 PM)

The issue here is not (at least for me) a denial of the problem (too much unhealthy fast food places in the inner city, at least the ones in Ca.) but rather the prescribed solution. I don't think that telling one form of eatery that they can't build there does not mean that healthier eateries will be rushing to open their doors. There is also a "slippery slope" issue here. Its dangerous to allow the government to declare that fast food is unhealthy and therefore must be subject to further regulation and limitation.

The government may have a role to play here, perhaps by helping to educate the populace on cooking, nutrition and food safety. Preferably by working with independent groups and organizations and doing just what they have to in order to see the job done. Also, perhaps they can work on helping businesses that sell healthy food instead of limiting those that aren't.

These are just idea skeletons. The point being to find solutions that minimize the amount of additional power the government receives and the empowerment of people to be a part of the solution to their problems. I believe most good people would rather be a part of the solution rather than have the government do it all for them. And its more likely the solution will actually work.



colliefan -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 8:25:39 PM)

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or a Red Lobster or a Olive Garden


and how many of the residents can afford to go to a place where the average meal is about $12-15. Mickey Ds does offer a healthy options menu, it's up to the consumer to make the choice of what goes into his body. Even Bo's offers salads.



deliveredarling -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 9:38:54 PM)

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and poor people always found a way to cook, even if they were struggling) because they are not educated about nutrition because of the haves and the have not. Secondly,


Some of the best food I have ever put in my mouth was from a "poor" person. They know how to cook. Creativity at it's finest. I have never been able to recreate some of that stuff and surely wish I could.



deliveredarling -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 9:41:14 PM)

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The point being to find solutions that minimize the amount of additional power the government receives and the empowerment of people to be a part of the solution to their problems. I believe most good people would rather be a part of the solution rather than have the government do it all for them. And its more likely the solution will actually work.


Excellent point. I think you are right on the money.



ddave12000 -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 9:48:51 PM)

I think it's ridiculous and should be challenged. Maybe the folks who want to regulate what people can eat should start a new country and call it "new russia". [8|]



SovereignIsHe -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 9:54:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: gaylel1

quote:

ORIGINAL: Miss Giggles

Here even if they are on food stamps they get a certain amount of cash. But I agree with rcjames that food is cultural.

If people are conditioned that they can't afford to cook or they don't have access to fresh ingredients than fast food is going to be their only option.




Ms. Giggles, there is no such thing as food stamps and the goverment no longer give them out. They give out ABT cards. Secondly, the reason why they cannot afford to cook (which is an excuse it inself--and poor people always found a way to cook, even if they were struggling) because they are not educated about nutrition because of the haves and the have not. Secondly, poor people has been demanding to have good supermarkets and restuants which promote healthy eating because they want the same thing their counterparts in the burbs want also.


Who in their right mind would want to put a store or anything of any value in what amounts to a war zone?

John



deliveredarling -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 9:57:26 PM)

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Who in their right mind would want to put a store or anything of any value in what amounts to a war zone?


I wondered about that too.



SovereignIsHe -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 9:59:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rufas2000


The government may have a role to play here, perhaps by helping to educate the populace on cooking, nutrition and food safety.


If they government can't educate people on such simple things in the 12+ years a person roughly spends in the public education system what makes anyone think they have viable solution?


quote:

Preferably by working with independent groups and organizations and doing just what they have to in order to see the job done. Also, perhaps they can work on helping businesses that sell healthy food instead of limiting those that aren't.


The first thing that needs to be done is to wipe out inner city terrorists....

John



colliefan -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 10:14:13 PM)

Honest question: would getting people to change '"soul food" and how it is cooked be considered racist. How does one cook collards w/o some fatback. Same goes for black-eyed peas? How does one change a cultural mindset?

Here in NC we have the same problem with DWI when it comes to Hispanics. In their culture driving under the influence isn't the bad thing it is in our culture. The more booze one can hold the more macho the man.

Rather than ban places, wouldn't working through the churches be more effective?



deliveredarling -> RE: L.A. nixes fast food outlets from poor areas (7/30/2008 10:28:02 PM)

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Honest question: would getting people to change '"soul food" and how it is cooked be considered racist. How does one cook collards w/o some fatback. Same goes for black-eyed peas? How does one change a cultural mindset?

Here in NC we have the same problem with DWI when it comes to Hispanics. In their culture driving under the influence isn't the bad thing it is in our culture. The more booze one can hold the more macho the man.

Rather than ban places, wouldn't working through the churches be more effective?


I don't understand what you are asking?stating here.

1) Why would a cultural mindset change be needed?

2) What would the churches do to help change this situation?



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