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Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 11:15:33 AM
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freakofnature
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House passes bill to apologize for slavery. Meantime. I am taking out a 2nd mortgage against my house for gas money. My house, the one that the government just bailed me out of...Bush signs housing bill
No wonder the approval ratings are soooo low...
Approval at all time lows
House.Slavery.Apology
I'm not trying to seem unsensative but don't we have much bigger issues to tackle?
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 11:24:20 AM
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House passes bill to apologize for slavery. Meantime. I am taking out a 2nd mortgage against my house for gas money. My house, the one that the government just bailed me out of...Bush signs housing bill
No wonder the approval ratings are soooo low...
Approval at all time lows
House.Slavery.Apology
I'm not trying to seem unsensative but don't we have much bigger issues to tackle?
I would be the first to dis congress in most cases. But this is a good thing and long overdue.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 11:26:13 AM
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I think the apology is long overdue. And almost anyone old enough to have lived in the deep South through the later years of Jim Crow probably agrees.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 11:27:09 AM
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But this is a good thing and long overdue.
Couldn't this have waited? I mean in light of all of the other problems facing our country now?
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 11:28:33 AM
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Also, don't you really think this will lead to reparations? Not sure where I stand on that?
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 11:29:17 AM
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But this is a good thing and long overdue.
Couldn't this have waited? I mean in light of all of the other problems facing our country now?
Waited for what? There are always pressing issues.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 11:33:07 AM
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Also, don't you really think this will lead to reparations? Not sure where I stand on that?
Were reparations given to the other groups in that article?
And: Is doing the right thing supposed to be based on the potential financial consequences of doing so?
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 12:02:41 PM
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My concern is that now we owe apologies to everyone else our ancestors managed to harm or offend in some way.
I suggest an omnibus bill wherein we simply state:
Forewith, that we deeply and humbly apologize for any past or future harms done to any people groups, excluding of course white male heterosexuals, including but not limited to acts of enslavement, repression, oppression, impoverishment, displacement, interment, assassinations, coups, wars of aggression, insults, and any bad feelings which can conceivably be said to have been derived from agents, agencies, institutions and or any representative of the US of America in any form in now takes, has ever taken, or ever will take as long as it remains a viable entity.
Let it be finally stated that the US wishes all parties considered the kindest good wishes, and all the best in any future endeavors.
This apology while sincere, shall not for the purposes of legal action be considered an admission of liability for past wrongs suffered.
That seems to cover our b...bases.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 12:05:59 PM
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My concern is that now we owe apologies to everyone else our ancestors managed to harm or offend in some way.
I suggest an omnibus bill wherein we simply state:
Forewith, that we deeply and humbly apologize for any past or future harms done to any people groups, excluding of course white male heterosexuals, including but not limited to acts of enslavement, repression, oppression, impoverishment, displacement, interment, assassinations, coups, wars of aggression, insults, and any bad feelings which can conceivably be said to have been derived from agents, agencies, institutions and or any representative of the US of America in any form in now takes, has ever taken, or ever will take as long as it remains a viable entity.
Let it be finally stated that the US wishes all parties considered the kindest good wishes, and all the best in any future endeavors.
This apology while sincere, shall not for the purposes of legal action be considered an admission of liability for past wrongs suffered.
That seems to cover our b...bases.
The Twelve Steps includes the phrase .... "and when we were wrong, we promptly admitted it."
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 12:10:22 PM
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The Twelve Steps includes the phrase .... "and when we were wrong, we promptly admitted it."
One can only hope our country stays on the path of recovery. Who is our sponsor?
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 12:12:22 PM
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The Twelve Steps includes the phrase .... "and when we were wrong, we promptly admitted it."
One can only hope our country stays on the path of recovery. Who is our sponsor?
Stephen Colbert.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 12:13:26 PM
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Stephen Colbert.
Well at least we will get a few laughs out of the process.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 1:14:10 PM
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Stephen Colbert.
ROFL... AHAHAHAAAAHAHAAA... That is funny stuff. 
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 1:15:19 PM
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I'm making Rice Crispy Treats for everyone we offended.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 1:20:10 PM
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I'm making Rice Crispy Treats for everyone we offended.
Where should I "take a number" and stand in line. I love rice crispy treats.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 2:31:09 PM
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The Twelve Steps includes the phrase .... "and when we were wrong, we promptly admitted it."
One can only hope our country stays on the path of recovery. Who is our sponsor?
The people who sold them into slavery...
John
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 2:42:35 PM
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The Twelve Steps includes the phrase .... "and when we were wrong, we promptly admitted it."
One can only hope our country stays on the path of recovery. Who is our sponsor?
The people who sold them into slavery...
John
What about the ones who bought them and those who fought politically, socially, and militarily to keep them enslaved?
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 2:56:32 PM
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The Twelve Steps includes the phrase .... "and when we were wrong, we promptly admitted it."
One can only hope our country stays on the path of recovery. Who is our sponsor?
The people who sold them into slavery...
Exactly. The next step is to find out what tribe every African American is descended from. If any are from the tribes that captured and sold other tribes into slavery, they should apologize also. Fair's fair.
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What about the ones who bought them and those who fought politically, socially, and militarily to keep them enslaved?
I think their descendent's political representatives just caved to political correctness and further enabled this dysfunctional addiction to victimhood and white guilt continue.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 3:01:37 PM
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the apology is overdue. Too bad it took an act of congress to get it done.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 3:01:51 PM
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I think their descendent's political representatives just caved to political correctness and further enabled this dysfunctional addiction to victimhood and white guilt continue.
Are you saying we were fools to apologize to Japanese Americans locked in concentration camps during WW2 and all those other groups the country has admitted to treating with less than American values?
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 3:03:18 PM
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And now they should apologize to the Chinese immigrants of the west coast,ot the Indians for driving them off their lands,to the Hawaians for taking their islands,for keeping Puerto Rico,the Virgin isles as US territory, etc etc.etc..
But I hope my congressman consults me for my opinion,afterall he is my representative. My answer shall be " Tell them to Get Over IT!"
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 3:08:36 PM
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the apology is overdue. Too bad it took an act of congress to get it done.
Actually, there have been several apologies issued by the legislatures of states that actually had slavery.
I think the Southern states should apologize to the Northern states for putting us through all the trouble.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 3:10:32 PM
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And now they should apologize to the Chinese immigrants of the west coast,ot the Indians for driving them off their lands,to the Hawaians for taking their islands,for keeping Puerto Rico,the Virgin isles as US territory, etc etc.etc..
But I hope my congressman consults me for my opinion,afterall he is my representative. My answer shall be " Tell them to Get Over IT!"
Apologies help people "get over it". At least I think it should. But then again, my ancestors were not chained, raped, separated from their children, worked until they dropped dead, or killed for "cutting their eyes" at a white woman. So I could be wrong.
I do know that telling people who have suffered greatly as a people to "get over it" only causes rage, hurt, and the feeling that those of us in the racial majority are insensitive idiots with the heart capacity of a praying mantis.
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RE: Sorry for the whole slavery thing... - 7/31/2008 3:49:40 PM
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Apologies help people "get over it". At least I think it should. But then again, my ancestors were not chained, raped, separated from their children, worked until they dropped dead, or killed for "cutting their eyes" at a white woman. So I could be wrong.
I do know that telling people who have suffered greatly as a people to "get over it" only causes rage, hurt, and the feeling that those of us in the racial majority are insensitive idiots with the heart capacity of a praying mantis.
My ancestors were overthrown by the English,and it wasn't pretty. This may have helped them become good Presbyterians, eventually leave Scotland and come to the US,South Carolina to be exact. But their demise by the English is quite different,because that was white on white war,domination,imprisonement,quartering of troops etc...and long before the plight of African slaves by New England slavetraders to New England ports of entry here in America.
I'm not insensitive and I'm not brushing aside a horrible injustice,but all people of all races have suffered at the hands of others at one time or another.
Too often these "apologies" are empty political rhetoric, and this latest one is nothing new.
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But I agree with your sentiment. Slavery and Jim Crow was far, far more serious than just ruffling a few feathers or unintentional slighting of a few people.
