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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/8/2008 6:51:28 PM
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eaglelady11
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well, I think we are going to hear of it, because he admitted to having an affair. It's on the front page of Yahoo and on www.ask.com/news.
Too bad, he seemed like such a nice guy.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/8/2008 7:17:12 PM
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I think this new addition to the resume may put Edwards into the catbird seat at the convention for the office of VP.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/8/2008 8:25:34 PM
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Too bad, he seemed like such a nice guy.
A really nice guy, his wife has cancer and he is out diddling the hired help.
At least with a 28,000 sq. ft. house they should be able to stay out of each other's way.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/8/2008 8:32:32 PM
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It's a pathetic choice on his part...plus the "woman" he cheated with is so ugly it's like what possible explanation could he give? Not that a beautiful woman would justify cheating, but you would like to think it was at least a strong temptation.
I really feel sad for his wife. I am very close to several breast cancer survivor's and know some of the emotional rollercoaster that they struggle with. This has to be devastating to her.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/8/2008 9:08:45 PM
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I really feel sad for his wife. I am very close to several breast cancer survivor's and know some of the emotional rollercoaster that they struggle with. This has to be devastating to her.
He confessed the affair back in 2006. She aparently went along with the cover-up for reasons I do not understand. Maybe a desire for a position in the Breck Girl's administration?
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/8/2008 9:40:42 PM
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Now he is going to deny it's his kid? C'mon......................
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 2:30:53 AM
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A really nice guy, his wife has cancer and he is out diddling the hired help.
To be fair, her cancer was in remission at the time. Maybe he thought she was cured.
I'm not an Edwards fan at all and adultery absolutely disgusts me but fair is fair. And if it doesn't matter (as I anticipate someone will say) then why bring it up?
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He confessed the affair back in 2006. She aparently went along with the cover-up for reasons I do not understand. Maybe a desire for a position in the Breck Girl's administration?
Or maybe she is incredibly loyal, a loyalty Mr. Edwards did not deserve. I feel bad for her, no matter what the circumstances were when the affair occured this stress added to the breast cancer is just awful. I mean what word would be adequate.
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Now he is going to deny it's his kid? C'mon......................
You'd think he'd wait for the blood test unless the timeline (when he had the affair, when she had the baby) precludes the possibility. But not all sex results in babies, that is what keeps fertility clinics in business.
It is bothersome (but not unexpected) that he flatly denied it at first. That destroys his political credibility just as much if not more than the affair itself (because it appears that marriage vows aren't sacred anymore to many). And John Edwards being out of politics is definitely a good thing, at least to me.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 11:09:53 AM
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It is bothersome (but not unexpected) that he flatly denied it at first. That destroys his political credibility just as much if not more than the affair itself (because it appears that marriage vows aren't sacred anymore to many).
It didn't seem to hurt Slick Willie at all, if anything, his poll numbers went higher after Lewinsky became a household word...
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 12:04:19 PM
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It didn't seem to hurt Slick Willie at all, if anything, his poll numbers went higher after Lewinsky became a household word...
Point taken but Clinton was a far more skilled politician than Edwards. And he was already president. This allowed Clinton to shape the agenda and insured that he would get a great deal of PR help from his party (that painted the issue as a Republican witch hunt). Edwards is yesterday's news and the Democratic party (who have no loyalty at all, see John Kerry after he lost) will discard him like garbage*.
* Their actions, not my words. I'm not saying the Republicans are bastions of loyalty but in this regard they are way ahead of the Democratic party. They even abandoned Gore after he lost (because he didn't "fight hard enough" during the recount) but reclaimed him once he became the big star of the environment.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 12:05:27 PM
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I listened carefully to Edward's "Confession" and it was still all about him.
I noticed today that the family was asking Edwards to follow through on the paternity test he said he would take.
It will be interesting to see if he does take the test or not.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 12:22:18 PM
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I listened carefully to Edward's "Confession" and it was still all about him.
I could say more but I'll just say I'm not surprised.
Here's another person whom we would be better off if he just went away. Let him take care of his wife in private, have a nice life and hopefully his name will never again be brought up in the public discourse. Fat chance on that I know but I can dream can't I. At least I'll take solace in the strong possibility that his political career is finished.
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It will be interesting to see if he does take the test or not.
Now that the family is pressing for it I say the possibility is high. If they weren't then probably not.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 12:29:56 PM
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In a lawsuit against a OB-GYN whose botched delivery led to the death of the baby, he "channeled" the dead baby. Yet, he voted in support of partial-birth abortion. He is an empty suit and I hope that his wife makes it even emptier by taking him to the cleaners. (She is also a lawyer.)
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 2:56:15 PM
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This seems to be the least Christ-like thread on the whole board.
We accuse politicians of using people, of taking advantage of bad situations to advance their causes, and of losing sight of what's important as they try to win arguments.
Then we sling insults and pile on when news like this comes along. We're happy to see it happen; a politician (even better, a democrat!) falls and it's a wonderful opportunity to fling the barbs and arrows that take advance our positions and take advantage of the situation.
We do the very thing that we fault in others.
Shame on us.
"Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen." Ephesians 4:29
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 3:32:53 PM
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Then we sling insults and pile on when news like this comes along. We're happy to see it happen; a politician (even better, a democrat!) falls and it's a wonderful opportunity to fling the barbs and arrows that take advance our positions and take advantage of the situation.
Edwards (AKA John-boy, the Breck Girl) has to be one of the most two-faced pols to come around in some time. He barely put his tush in his senate seat before he decided to run for president.
He said that he cared for the poor while, despite having great wealth doing little to help them out of their poverty. He ended his college foundation when it became clear he political career was soon to become toast.
He and his wife's aniversary dinners at Wendy's were nothing but a photo op, where they would order a meal, call in the reporters for a shoot, then trash the meal and head of to one of Chapel Hill's five-star restuarants.
This is the man who went to work at a hedge fund to "learn about the poor" and did little or no actual work. (Can you say back door political contribution?)
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 3:41:11 PM
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This seems to be the least Christ-like thread on the whole board.
So, why not come forward and post a soliloquy on the various and sundry qualities of John Edwards that make him an outstanding human being. That ought to put those of us witnessing the fruits of a lot of bad choices in our place.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 3:52:03 PM
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Let's all ask ourselves a question:
"Was I pleased to see John Edwards fall? Did it make my day a bit better to hear the news?"
I'm suggesting that the answer is "yes" for many of us. And I'm suggesting that that is not Christ-like.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 3:53:31 PM
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This seems to be the least Christ-like thread on the whole board.
If you think we sound rough have you ever heard what Jesus said about those who commit adultry, and those who lie?
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 3:58:52 PM
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I don't think anyone on here has been happy about this, for Elizabeth Edwards sake if nothing else. But we aren't going to discuss this and excuse Mr. Edwards choice to cheat on his wife. Adultery is terrible and somebody has to identify it as such. I'm glad that at least it still seems to humiliate those who do it, not because I wish them ill but because it's against God's law and hurts so many. Maybe the prospect of being shamed keeps more people from doing it.
I personally wished Edwards would go away and I'm not sorry about it. I don't wish him harm, I hope he leads a happy life (sans any just consequence he receives for his adultery, I would expect to receive no less if it happened to me), a happy life in which I will no longer hear of him. Its not about his politics, we need to hear all viewpoints. Rather its because he doesn't add anything to the public discourse (his positions are not unique and he isn't particularly gifted at expressing them) and I don't like the guy. I'm not going to pile on as to why, I think colliefan summed up how I feel perfectly well so I'll leave it at that.
While I can't say that I personally would be proud of every post on this thread if I had made it (but I too have posted stuff I'm not proud of) I believe this thread has been rather kind for the most part, considering the topic, the people involved and the beliefs (political and theological) of the people discussing it.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 4:21:40 PM
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Was I pleased to see John Edwards fall? Did it make my day a bit better to hear the news?"
Yes. Simply because he is a two-faced liar who uses the poor for his own political advantage. Notice that he uses the PC term I made a mistake instead of I have sinned against God and my family. Not so sure how I feel about his wife because she knew about the affair and went on along with the charade of "renewing" the marriage vows.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 4:22:16 PM
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This seems to be the least Christ-like thread on the whole board.
We accuse politicians of using people, of taking advantage of bad situations to advance their causes, and of losing sight of what's important as they try to win arguments.
Then we sling insults and pile on when news like this comes along. We're happy to see it happen; a politician (even better, a democrat!) falls and it's a wonderful opportunity to fling the barbs and arrows that take advance our positions and take advantage of the situation.
We do the very thing that we fault in others.
Shame on us.
"Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen." Ephesians 4:29
It figures you drive a VW.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 4:59:06 PM
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Notice that he uses the PC term I made a mistake instead of I have sinned against God and my family.
Haven't noticed that. Good point. A mistake is forgetting to carry the 1 when doing arithmetic. Its putting too many cloves in the stuffing. Its taking a left instead of a right on 33rd street. Adultery or any sort of sin is not a mistake. Calling it a mistake minimizes it. And of course that is probably why one would choose to use that word in that way.
To be fair I will say no additional insincerity alerts went off in my head when reading this apology, aside from the ones that always go off when Edwards speaks*. He did reproach himself fairly strongly in other parts. I'm willing to concede that he probably does feel bad about it.
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Not so sure how I feel about his wife because she knew about the affair and went on along with the charade of "renewing" the marriage vows.
I hear you but I can't pile on this lady (and I suspect you can't either, hence your hesitation). I just can't.
* I did a cheap shot and I quite frankly don't feel bad about it. I think I've been more than fair to Edwards overall.
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 5:10:59 PM
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Was I pleased to see John Edwards fall? Did it make my day a bit better to hear the news?"
Yes. Simply because he is a two-faced liar who uses the poor for his own political advantage...
Taking pleasure in the sin of others - where is Christ in that?
Will you be pleased if I fall? Because, like John Edwards, I've been a two-faced liar at times; I've used people for my own advantage. And will you be pleased if my wife falls? Because, like me, she is a sinner. How about my children? Will it please you if they fall? They too are sinners.
And you.
Fortunately, we are saved by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. But is it possible that we all have more in common with sinners like Edwards than we want to admit?
And, by jumping on the "Edwards is a two-faced liar" bandwagon, are we not also using him and his sin for our own political advantage - the very thing we criticize him for doing with others?
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It figures you drive a VW.
Oh? Can you you explain why?
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RE: The John Edwards scandal you (probably) never heard... - 8/9/2008 5:16:49 PM
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"Was I pleased to see John Edwards fall? Did it make my day a bit better to hear the news?"
No it just proves that your sins will find you out and what one does in darkness will be shouted from the rooftops.
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