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Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/24/2008 5:07:19 PM
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chadoaksfan
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A Gaither video showed Randy Owen singing a song called "One Big Heaven". The song is about how there is one big Heaven for everybody no matter who you are--a Rabbi, Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, whatever. I believe that if a person accepts Jesus as their Saviour, they will go to Heaven, no matter what their religious tag is, but the songs implies that all faiths will go to Heaven; it leaves out that vital and only step to salvation--you must trust Christ as your Saviour. Shouldn't a major focus of Southern Gospel music be leading people to the Lord? Hasn't it always been that way? Is it changing now?
What do you guys think about this?
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/24/2008 7:28:09 PM
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Kerrlaw
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there is one big Heaven for everybody no matter who you are--a Rabbi, Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, whatever
I'm confused. Do you believe that Rabbis, Catholics, Baptists, and Pentecosals will have separate Heavens (assuming that they make it to Heaven)?
I agree with you that anyone who accepts Christ as their Savior will go to Heaven. I also agree that one of the goals (among others) of SG music should be to lead people to Christ. I haven't noticed any change in this over the years.
As to the song, I suggest that we give the writer a little artistic license. Not every gospel song has to set out the requirements of salvation. In fact, most of them don't.
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/24/2008 7:53:50 PM
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Okay...I'm with Kerr and Sam on this one!
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/24/2008 8:05:37 PM
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Ditto-------no doubt about it.
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/24/2008 8:09:25 PM
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Tritto!
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/24/2008 9:48:21 PM
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1970rodney
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Don't recall seeing Randy perform that song. But I have yet to see a Gaither Video that didn't expound Salvation's Plan before it was over.
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/24/2008 10:20:59 PM
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Don't really know about the song in question, but this AM, I heard one of the bluegrass groups singing (on the NEW Gaither bluegrass videos) a song where the hook line was something to the effect 'just so it assures me a place at Calvary..." But, in context, of the song, it was referring to 'heaven'.
That one kinda went over my head... I got to trying to think a little deeper about the meaning of what they were singing, and I 'kinda' think I get it. Maybe they are saying they are so unworthy that they just 'metaphorically' want to be able to find a place of redemption and salvation at 'Calvary', so they can go to Heaven?
I'm pretty sure I heard The Statlers sing this one a while back, too. Kinda made me go... 'Hmmm..." then... Well, kinda...
It was just kinda awkward to listen to...
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/26/2008 9:01:10 AM
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It's interesting how the lyric of one song out of thousands is attributed to ALL of Gaither's videos in the subject line.
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/26/2008 9:30:33 AM
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It's interesting how the lyric of one song out of thousands is attributed to ALL of Gaither's videos in the subject line.
I agree about the tone of the subject line. It should've been worded a little better.
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/26/2008 10:49:22 PM
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Video in question
For those that were curious about the song.
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/27/2008 12:48:55 AM
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Amen to that. It would be nice if we didn't have to deal with it now. 
I know where you're coming from. However, I sometimes see the denominational divisions whithin christianity as a good thing. I am "Church of God" (penticostal), and I know a lot of born again christians (who are probably closer to God than myself, if the truth be known) that would never feel comfortable around all of our jumpin' and shoutin'. And on the other hand, I know plenty of others who wouldn't feel comfortable in a more traditional type of worship atmosphere. And thanks to our denominations, we are allowed to make that choice and worship with like minded and styled brothers and sisters. The problem is when one of them (and mine is usually one of the worst for this) begins to feel as if they are the only ship "afloat". The bickering between denominations I could really do without. However, the fact that we are divided into them, in my opinion, is probably something that most christians as a whole couldn't do without.
But to stay on topic, I don't think that "denominational" references were what seemed questionable to the original poster. I think it was probably the "religious" references. It's easy to say that all christian denominations are filled with saved individuals (I don't think any of us would dissagree with that). But when you start taking on other religions, with their altered views of "God", "heaven" and the "Bible"... I can see where that argument could lose a little of its luster.
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/27/2008 1:16:11 AM
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ORIGINAL: baritone77
Video in question
For those that were curious about the song.
Thanks for the link. I think someone may be overreacting just a bit. Listening to the song well Why can't pentacostals,baptists, and the like go to Heaven. BTW my cousins husband is a born again Catholic. Heaven ain't gonna be about denomanations but about born again believers praising our risen Saviour.
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/27/2008 7:29:16 AM
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Amen to that. It would be nice if we didn't have to deal with it now.
I know where you're coming from. However, I sometimes see the denominational divisions whithin christianity as a good thing. I am "Church of God" (penticostal), and I know a lot of born again christians (who are probably closer to God than myself, if the truth be known) that would never feel comfortable around all of our jumpin' and shoutin'. And on the other hand, I know plenty of others who wouldn't feel comfortable in a more traditional type of worship atmosphere. And thanks to our denominations, we are allowed to make that choice and worship with like minded and styled brothers and sisters. The problem is when one of them (and mine is usually one of the worst for this) begins to feel as if they are the only ship "afloat". The bickering between denominations I could really do without. However, the fact that we are divided into them, in my opinion, is probably something that most christians as a whole couldn't do without.
I understand what you are saying and respect that, but that is the reason I don't like demoninational barriers. Why should born again Christians not feel comfortable worshipping together? I understand it comes down to human nature and associating with individuals who hold the same views as we do. I guess I am more of an 'against the grain' type person. I like to experience it all and associate with as many people as I can. 
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/27/2008 2:53:07 PM
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I wanted to throw my 2 cents in. I think if you guys should watch the video of this song. If you have already, watch it again. It is pretty clear that the song is implying that Muslims and Jews will be in Heaven. The premise is the Oprah-inspired universalist religion that is sweeping through the world. Apparently, by Gloria's involvment with the guy that wrote the universalist book, "The Shack", the Gaithers believe this as well. Averyfineline did a story on this in June and lots of things were discovered. Follow http://averyfineline.com/2008/06/25/slightly-ot-the-shack-and-gloria-gaither/ and read about it.
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/27/2008 6:52:13 PM
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It's sad that in Gospel music there are people who would actually compromise the faith, and proclaim that jews and muslims will be in heaven. Well, I say unless they Believe upon Christ Jesus, they won't be there. But anyway,
Does it seem that the southern gospel quartets aren't nearly as involved with the Gaithers as they used to be? I don't see very much Gaither stuff, except when it's on tv, but it seems like there used to be lots of quartets that would all be there. I remember the Kingsmen, Gold City and others that used to frequent the shows, and don't recall seeing them as much now.
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/27/2008 7:07:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: baritone77
Video in question
For those that were curious about the song.
Sounds to me like he's singing about "believers" and "children of God." As far as I am concerned, that's talking about Christians going to heaven!!!
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RE: Gaither videos--misleading on how to go to Heaven? - 8/27/2008 8:15:41 PM
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However, the fact that we are divided into them, in my opinion, is probably something that most christians as a whole couldn't do without.
This thread is hilarious. The above quote is really funny!!
I travel all over the world with my job and attend church services wherever I go. Realize people that we live in a GLOBAL world with GLOBAL christians. We tend to reduce God to our western way of thinking ("denominations") and forget that he is as real to the people who live in Moscow, Russia where I was last week, as He is to the people in Cleveland, TN or anywhere else for that matter. If my church was so narrow in it's focus as to think they had the "only ship afloat", I'd jump overboard immediately.
Also to the poster who spoke out against the Gaither's and The Shack, be warned. Them Gaither's are highly thought of 'round these parts. Better be careful.
I have to listen to the song that the OP mentioned. I'm sure if it were inappropriate, Bill would not have allowed it on the vid.
One last note from me. I read a book several years back, Transported By the Lion of Judah, that forever changed my life. It has to do with how God sees the Muslims and all the people who have never trusted in Jesus Christ as Savior. I highly recommend it.
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