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Christians who do not act like christians - 8/27/2008 4:35:11 PM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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Is it ethical to shun people who are sinning out of anger? I have seen people do things because they have been hurt and are angry at God. How do christians deal with those people? One young girl actually put Bi on her myspace page. Not because she was but because she was hurting so bad. So she felt the best way to protect herself was to do somthing that would make people stay away from her.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/27/2008 8:00:43 PM
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I think each situation is different. Trying to be patient and supportive and encouraging is a good start, but at sometime if nothing changes there may be a need to back away and just pray. Some people only see the Cross when they are alone at the bottom of the hill.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/27/2008 8:24:21 PM
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Is it ethical to shun people who are sinning out of anger?
Is shun the right word for it? Is that what we really do or do we run from it?
Sinning in anger can be a scary thing. I don't like to be around it and I KNOW people don't like to be around me when I have done it.
Talking to them about it is highly appropriate in a loving way of course. If the behavior continued after repeating conversations, shunning just might be the exact thing to restore that person, assuming they are a believer. "Shun the unto repentance." I would think counsel should come first though. They can't correct a problem unless they know that there is a problem.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/28/2008 7:06:12 AM
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One week your cross is heavier than mine, and perhaps next week my cross is heavier than yours; but in either case, we the professing Christians must needs bear(ie: carry) one anothers burdens(ie: load or cargo), and so fulfil the law of Christ. And when another is overtaken in a wrong doing, we who are spiritual are to restore them in the spirit of meekness, considering our own self; seeing that next time our cross may be overwhelming.
(Galatians.6:1,2)
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/28/2008 10:28:13 AM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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I did back away when it seemed she was really bad. Now she is trying to get it back together. She is alone and having a baby. I feel bad for her and the people in our church just look her up and down with their noses in the air.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/28/2008 7:56:10 PM
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Is it ethical to shun people who are sinning out of anger? I have seen people do things because they have been hurt and are angry at God. How do christians deal with those people? One young girl actually put Bi on her myspace page. Not because she was but because she was hurting so bad. So she felt the best way to protect herself was to do somthing that would make people stay away from her.
Obviously i dont know the whole story, but just by what u wrote ill say that it sounds like they arent shunning her, but they just probably cant relate to her anymore.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/29/2008 4:33:45 AM
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I did back away when it seemed she was really bad. Now she is trying to get it back together. She is alone and having a baby. I feel bad for her and the people in our church just look her up and down with their noses in the air.
wow thats kinda cold to be all alone and having a baby and then people in the church just look down and stick their noses in the air at her. wow thats worse than what i've been going thru.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/29/2008 8:36:24 AM
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"Christians who do not act like christians"
Well, another consideration is this...are they truly Christians? We shall know them by their fruit, right?
~Neeva
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/29/2008 8:55:27 AM
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"Christians who do not act like christians"
Well, another consideration is this...are they truly Christians? We shall know them by their fruit, right?
~Neeva
Folks that call themselves Christian and do not live their lives as the New Testament instructs Christians to live; are not Chrisitan;
(Luk 6:46) And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/29/2008 11:07:45 PM
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I did back away when it seemed she was really bad. Now she is trying to get it back together. She is alone and having a baby. I feel bad for her and the people in our church just look her up and down with their noses in the air.
wow thats kinda cold to be all alone and having a baby and then people in the church just look down and stick their noses in the air at her. wow thats worse than what i've been going thru.
I have heard that christians can sometimes be worse then unbelievers when it comes to forgiving mistakes.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/31/2008 1:04:46 AM
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How should christians act when confronted by an unmarried girl who is pregnant? If they reject her, they are accused of being judgemental. Seen that. If they accept her others might follow her example or she might repeat her bad behavior. Seen that to. Here's a novel idea. Maybe, girls should always be accompanied by a family member, until they are married. I know, impractical. Well, let's just make sure they get plenty of youth group and summer camp. That should do the trick. Right?
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/31/2008 4:34:36 PM
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Christians who do not act like christians
And how, pray tell, does one act like a Christian????
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/31/2008 5:19:04 PM
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Christians who do not act like christians
And how, pray tell, does one act like a Christian????
Peace
As Christ.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/31/2008 5:28:39 PM
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As Christ.
Spot on, RC.
The term "Christian" does, after all, mean "little Christ." If a person can look at us and say, "You know, that person reminds me of how Christ acted," then we are acting like Christians. ...Of course, most unbelievers wouldn't know how Christ acted, so maybe we could also settle for, "You know, there's something in the way that person is acting that is different and better, and I want to find out more about it."
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 8/31/2008 7:19:23 PM
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URForgiven
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Christians who do not act like christians
And how, pray tell, does one act like a Christian????
Peace
As Christ.
Thanks
RC
I agree. Though that would not be an act, that would be Christians being who they are.
Just as Jesus did nothing on His own, but the Father worked in and through Him as He lived in total dependence upon the Father, so are we to do nothing on our own, but to now live in total dependence upon Jesus Christ. This was the the life of Christ, and this is how Christ now lives on through us who are His.
Peace
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/1/2008 10:45:17 AM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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How should Christians act when confronted by an unmarried girl who is pregnant? If they reject her, they are accused of being judgemental. Seen that. If they accept her others might follow her example or she might repeat her bad behavior. Seen that to. Here's a novel idea. Maybe, girls should always be accompanied by a family member, until they are married. I know, impractical. Well, let's just make sure they get plenty of youth group and summer camp. That should do the trick. Right?
The problem is that if someone comes into the church after repenting of their sin trying to get back on their feet spiritually there are plenty of people in church especially in a small town that will want to make sure that girl forever is punished for her sins.
The girl I am talking about is 23 years old. I doubt her family could get away with making her have a parent with her at all times.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/1/2008 12:51:29 PM
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Christians who do not act like christians
And how, pray tell, does one act like a Christian????
Peace
As Christ.
Thanks
RC
I agree. Though that would not be an act, that would be Christians being who they are.
Just as Jesus did nothing on His own, but the Father worked in and through Him as He lived in total dependence upon the Father, so are we to do nothing on our own, but to now live in total dependence upon Jesus Christ. This was the the life of Christ, and this is how Christ now lives on through us who are His.
Peace
That is true up to a point; Jesus still had to make the conscience desision to be obedient (agreeing with the Father "Not my will, but your will").
And we have to make the decision to let Christ work through us. We as Believers are not on autopilot.
Our free will always comes into play, so in essence how we act (perform, live, etc.) is based on that free will. As Believers we get to choose to bring everythought captive to Christ or not. Non-Believers do not have this choice as they are salves to sin.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/1/2008 1:01:22 PM
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deliveredarling
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there are plenty of people in church especially in a small town that will want to make sure that girl forever is punished for her sins.
This is also true for non Christian folk too.
Too many people have this little speck in their eye, that they just want to forget about....
It's certainly easier to focus on your speck than it is to look at mine, you know.
I'm not sure I am understanding the full scope of the situation you are referring to.
Christians sometimes don't act like Christians. The evidence of the truth of this statement is found all over this forum.
It doesn't make it right, it doesn't even make it ok. And it certainly doesn't excuse us for doing it.
It certainly shows our humaness though and it is a reminder to us the gratitude we should feel because we do have a Savior who loved us enough to die, even when we as His children act ugly to one another.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/1/2008 1:37:38 PM
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The Christians who do not act like Christians was meant for people who were saved but because of some circumstance have fallen into sin. Is it better to turn our backs when the person comes in the room well after the point of repentance or should we do our best to say I still love you as a sister in Christ but I cannot go where you are going.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/1/2008 1:39:44 PM
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well after the point of repentance
What do you mean when you say this?
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/1/2008 1:50:26 PM
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deliveredarling
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Is it better to turn our backs when the person comes in the room well after the point of repentance or should we do our best to say I still love you as a sister in Christ but I cannot go where you are going.
Unfortunately in order to answer your question I have to say both.
"After the point of repentance", does that mean that they have repented?
For those continuing in the sin and unrepentant: your statement ,"say I still love you as a sister in Christ but I cannot go where you are going.", would be biblically sound.
We should love the sinner and hate the sin. Loving the sinner doesn't mean that we give up on them or completely desert them. We just don't have to jump into the pit they are in to love them through it, ya know?
It doesn't mean we tolerate or accept their sin either.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/1/2008 5:49:54 PM
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I think that anyone thinks that they can ever act like Christ are deceiving themselves.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/2/2008 8:24:40 AM
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Christians who do not act like christians
And how, pray tell, does one act like a Christian????
Peace
As Christ.
Thanks
RC
I agree. Though that would not be an act, that would be Christians being who they are.
Just as Jesus did nothing on His own, but the Father worked in and through Him as He lived in total dependence upon the Father, so are we to do nothing on our own, but to now live in total dependence upon Jesus Christ. This was the the life of Christ, and this is how Christ now lives on through us who are His.
Peace
That is true up to a point; Jesus still had to make the conscience desision to be obedient (agreeing with the Father "Not my will, but your will").
And we have to make the decision to let Christ work through us. We as Believers are not on autopilot.
Our free will always comes into play, so in essence how we act (perform, live, etc.) is based on that free will. As Believers we get to choose to bring everythought captive to Christ or not. Non-Believers do not have this choice as they are salves to sin.
Thanks
RC
Yes, absolutely RC. It is our constant choice in every situation that confronts us, to either depend upon Jesus and His sufficiency or to depend upon ourselves and our insufficiency.
And when we are choosing to depend upon Christ, then we will be not on auto-pilot but on Christ-pilot. When we are resting is His sufficiency, it is not inactivity but Christ activity, in and through us.
Peace
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/2/2008 8:33:15 AM
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The Christians who do not act like Christians was meant for people who were saved but because of some circumstance have fallen into sin. Is it better to turn our backs when the person comes in the room well after the point of repentance or should we do our best to say I still love you as a sister in Christ but I cannot go where you are going.
Is it better to condemn a person who is caught in a sin, or is it better to love them?
Peace
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are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" Galatians 3:3
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/2/2008 9:06:29 AM
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better to love them?
How do you do that without condoning what they do/did?
I struggle with being judgemental and am in constant prayer about it. That being said, how do you come along a sister/brothr in Chirst and "guide" them to "living by the Spirit?" Imo, those who aren't acting like a christian are living in the flesh. I've been there done that and so want to live in the Spirit, but .... .
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