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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/2/2008 9:23:34 AM
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URForgiven
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better to love them?
How do you do that without condoning what they do/did?
I struggle with being judgemental and am in constant prayer about it. That being said, how do you come along a sister/brothr in Chirst and "guide" them to "living by the Spirit?" Imo, those who aren't acting like a christian are living in the flesh. I've been there done that and so want to live in the Spirit, but .... .
You do not have to condone another's sin, to love them. Jesus did not condone sin, but neither did [or does] He condemn the sinner. If they are not asking for help, most probably they will not accept it. That does not stop you from still loving them though. And that means being available to them, and making it known to them that you are available to them, when and if they need you.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/2/2008 9:27:28 AM
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You do not have to condone another's sin, to love them. Jesus did not condone sin, but neither did [or does] He condemn the sinner. If they are not asking for help, most probably they will not accept it. That does not stop you from still loving them though. And that means being available to them, and making it known to them that you are available to them, when and if they need you.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/2/2008 5:23:07 PM
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better to love them?
How do you do that without condoning what they do/did?
I struggle with being judgemental and am in constant prayer about it. That being said, how do you come along a sister/brothr in Chirst and "guide" them to "living by the Spirit?" Imo, those who aren't acting like a christian are living in the flesh. I've been there done that and so want to live in the Spirit, but .... .
I have BTDT too. I did not fall in an obvious way so no one could look at me and be judgmental. I wonder how my loving fellow church members would have treated me if they knew how I had fallen?
My mom fell in a big way though. Lonliness took over and she fell into sexual sin with a man then moved in with him. I had one person tell me that I was to tell my mother that as long as she is living in sin she is not welcome to step on foot in my door. (Funny how this same woman did not tell her own daughter that when she got pregnant while cheating on her husband.) Another friend told me how the the bible does say that but that the command to honor my mother overruled that. I never told my mom she was not welcome in my home but I did talk to her often on how her actions hurt her and her relationship with Christ. Today my mom is restored and living alone once again.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/6/2008 2:58:38 AM
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How should Christians act when confronted by an unmarried girl who is pregnant? If they reject her, they are accused of being judgemental. Seen that. If they accept her others might follow her example or she might repeat her bad behavior. Seen that to. Here's a novel idea. Maybe, girls should always be accompanied by a family member, until they are married. I know, impractical. Well, let's just make sure they get plenty of youth group and summer camp. That should do the trick. Right?
The problem is that if someone comes into the church after repenting of their sin trying to get back on their feet spiritually there are plenty of people in church especially in a small town that will want to make sure that girl forever is punished for her sins.
The girl I am talking about is 23 years old. I doubt her family could get away with making her have a parent with her at all times.
There have been several posts since this interchange, but none of them change what I would say. Just because she's 23 does not mean she has to be on her own. She can learn a lesson and go back to her father's house, or raise the child with the child's father. No one has a right to demand charity from another with no strings attached. We do not make an eternal judgement regarding anyone. However, it is not uncharitable for a community to encourage someone in trouble to take responsibility for their own situation. When the person accepts responsibility, then charity from the community will bear fruit one hundredfold.
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RE: Christians who do not act like christians - 9/6/2008 2:03:32 PM
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Christians who do not act like christians
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Is it ethical to shun people who are sinning out of anger? I have seen people do things because they have been hurt and are angry at God. How do christians deal with those people?
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I did back away when it seemed she was really bad. Now she is trying to get it back together. She is alone and having a baby. I feel bad for her and the people in our church just look her up and down with their noses in the air.
Some Biblical advice:
Joh 13:35 By this all shall know that you are My disciples, if you have love toward one another.
Eph 4:2-3 with all lowliness and meekness, with long-suffering, forbearing one another in love, (3) endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Mat 18:21-22 Then Peter came up and said to him, "Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?" (22) Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.
Gal 6:1-2 Brothers, if a man is overtaken in a fault, you the spiritual ones restore such a one in the spirit of meekness, considering yourself, lest you also be tempted. (2) Bear one another's burdens, and so you will fulfill the Law of Christ.
Mat 9:12-13 But when Jesus heard, He said to them, The ones who are whole do not need a physician, but the ones who are sick. (13) But go and learn what this is, I will have mercy and not sacrifice. For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Jas 5:19-20 Brothers, if anyone among you err from the truth, and if anyone turns him back, (20) know that he who turns back the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother who walks disorderly, and not after the teaching which he received from us.
2Th 3:11-15 For we hear that there are some who walk disorderly among you, not working at all, but being busybodies. (12) Now we command and exhort those who are such, by our Lord Jesus Christ, that they work with quietness and eat their own bread. (13) But you, brothers, do not be weary in well doing. (14) And if anyone does not obey our word by this letter, mark that one and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. (15) Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
Mat 18:15-17 But if your brother shall trespass against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. (16) But if he will not hear you, take one or two more with you, so that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. (17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he neglects to hear the church, let him be to you as a heathen and a tax-collector.
1Co 5:9-13 I wrote to you in the letter not to associate intimately with fornicators; (10) yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then you must go out of the world. (11) But now I have written to you not to associate intimately, if any man called a brother and is either a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one not to eat. (12) For what is it to me to also judge those who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? (13) But God judges those who are outside. Therefore put out from you the evil one.
…. Do you see the progression of thought here? Loving others, forgiving them over and over again, endeavoring to restore those who in the Faith sin, and after all effort has been expended, then and only then disassociate but do not excommunicate, and yet if you find one fully unrepentant in evil deeds, put them out of the church.
So what DOES it look like to act like a Christian, as has been asked in this thread:
Lev 19:17-18 ESV "You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. (18) You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.
De 10:12-13 "And now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require of you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, (13) and to keep the commandments and statutes of the LORD, which I am commanding you today for your good?
Isa 58:6-7 "Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the straps of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke? (7) Is it not to share your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh?
Mic 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Mat 22:37-40 ESV And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. (38) This is the great and first commandment. (39) And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (40) On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets."
Mat 25:35-40 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, (36) I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' (37) Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? (38) And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? (39) And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' (40) And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'
Jas 1:27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
1Th 4:3-9 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; (4) that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, (5) not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God; (6) that no one transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly warned you. (7) For God has not called us for impurity, but in holiness. (8) Therefore whoever disregards this, disregards not man but God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you. (9) Now concerning brotherly love you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another
Php 2:1-5 So if there is any encouragement in Christ, any comfort from love, any participation in the Spirit, any affection and sympathy, (2) complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. (3) Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. (4) Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. (5) Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus.
…. Etcetera …
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