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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 4:15:21 PM   
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Dr. King's father was a lifelong Republican, but his son never declared an official political affliliation to either party despite voting for JFK in 1960, and LBJ in 1964.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Sr.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/18/AR2006101801754.html



I don't know about her party affiliation, but his wife was pretty liberal as well. She campaigned for very progressive issues, including LGTB issues -so if you want to go by memebers of his family to determine his own political affiliation, it seems you have options from each side.

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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 4:27:50 PM   
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She campaigned for very progressive issues, including LGTB issues -so if you want to go by memebers of his family to determine his own political affiliation, it seems you have options from each side.


I don't even want to know what sort of dream that might have cause MLK to have.

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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 4:35:18 PM   
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She campaigned for very progressive issues, including LGTB issues -so if you want to go by memebers of his family to determine his own political affiliation, it seems you have options from each side.


I don't even want to know what sort of dream that might have cause MLK to have.



I think all this speculation is kind of pointless in the end.

Those were different times, and it's impossible to say, one way or another, what Martin Luther King would have done had he lived.

Perhaps he would have gone the way of his wife, or perhaps he would have gone the way of his neice. All we know of him is specific to the historicity of the time in which he lived, so arguing that King would or would not have supported X issue today is kind of pointless.

I do often wonder what he would have become had he not been assassinated. I think he was probably smart enough to know that getting into politics would basically dampen his message and turn him into what Jesse Jackson has become today. But again, it's impossible to say.

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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 4:42:26 PM   
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I think all this speculation is kind of pointless in the end.

Those were different times, and it's impossible to say, one way or another, what Martin Luther King would have done had he lived.

Perhaps he would have gone the way of his wife, or perhaps he would have gone the way of his neice. All we know of him is specific to the historicity of the time in which he lived, so arguing that King would or would not have supported X issue today is kind of pointless.

I do often wonder what he would have become had he not been assassinated. I think he was probably smart enough to know that getting into politics would basically dampen his message and turn him into what Jesse Jackson has become today. But again, it's impossible to say.


Actually, I hate to say it, but a large part of the mythology of MLK (and JFK and RFK) comes from them dying so young - had they grown old like many of their counterparts (Jackson and Edward Kennedy for example) we would probably have a much less romantic notion of them.

It's sort of like Romeo and Juliet - Shakespeare practically had to kill them off, because if he hadn't you would have Romeo some years later sitting in his recliner watching the tube, yelling, "Juliet, get another beer!".

And that's not romantic at all.

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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 4:54:48 PM   
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It's sort of like Romeo and Juliet - Shakespeare practically had to kill them off, because if he hadn't you would have Romeo some years later sitting in his recliner watching the tube, yelling, "Juliet, get another beer!".

Reminds me of Archie Bunker!
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 5:16:01 PM   
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That was before JFK and his brother decided to wire tap Dr. King's phone lines.


At the behest of J. Edgar Hoover, the most paranoid man in American history. Although I agree, the Kennedys could have just shot Hoover down, and said no to the wire taps.

Gee, wire taps. Who does that remind me of?

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And I doubt King knew that Johnson commonly used the N word.


LBJ was a hayseed hick, no doubt.


The Kennedy's didn't have their arms twisted. They were quite willing.
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 5:39:02 PM   
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LBJ was a hayseed hick, no doubt.

Typical Southern Democrat, no less. Just the sort that Dr. King grew up seeing "put blacks in their place when they get uppity."
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 5:51:08 PM   
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LBJ was a hayseed hick, no doubt.

Typical Southern Democrat, no less. Just the sort that Dr. King grew up seeing "put blacks in their place when they get uppity."

Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 not to mention the Voting Rights Act of 1965... really put them in their place didn't he?
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 6:00:18 PM   
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I dont know if Dr King "was" a republican, but I have little doubt that he would be one today. The whole idea of Affirmitive Action is an affront to everything Dr King stands for. In his famous speech he said "I have a dream that one day people will be judged on the content of their character NOT on the color of their skin." The idea of giving someone a job, BECAUSE of their skin color, or a spot in school BECAUSE of their skin color was EXACTLY what Dr King was against.


I'm not exactly a fan of AA either... but, back then at his time, weren't blacks facing a lot of obstacles to even be able to COMPETE with whites at the workplace or in the classroom? Just food for thought.


No doubt, but there is a GREAT HUGE difference between enacting rules and regulations making sure that blacks are not kept FROM jobs because of their skin, and rules and regulations that give a black person more "points" for a job because of their skin color.

If a black and white with the same qualifications both are competing for one spot, it should be a coin flip. If the black man is LESS qualified for the job, but because the company (school, ect) needs to fill some quota saying they hire x% minorities, that is WRONG period. And is exactly what Dr. King did not want. Again "content of character, NOT color of skin"!

It would be so wonderful if everyone in the world went blind to skin color. Granted that probably will never happen until the glorious return of Christ Jesus. But I just wish that we stopped looking at people and dividing them (for good or bad) based on the color of their skin. If I started a "brunette only" club, people would think I was stupid. If I started making sure that my company had exactly x% blonds, x% red heads, ect, again that would be STUPID. So why do it with skin color?

Hire the BEST person for the job! THAT was Dr. Kings dream. And the modern Democrat, like Jackson and Sharpton, spit in the face of that dream with their race mongering.
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 6:07:56 PM   
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Haha! Well if he was in fact a Republican that makes him even smarter than i thought he was.
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 10:46:40 PM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_People%27s_Campaign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_luther_king#Opposition_to_the_Vietnam_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Strategy

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From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 11:03:41 PM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_People%27s_Campaign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_luther_king#Opposition_to_the_Vietnam_War


You do realize the Vietnam war was started by a Democratic administration, and those poor in the south didn't benefit from their years of Democratic governments? No wonder MLK was a Republican!

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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/28/2008 11:18:14 PM   
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_People%27s_Campaign
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_luther_king#Opposition_to_the_Vietnam_War


You do realize the Vietnam war was started by a Democratic administration


I do. Was the anti-war movement a Republican plank?

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and those poor in the south didn't benefit from their years of Democratic governments?


I was also under the impression that minimum wages and the rest of the stuff in the Poor People's Campaign didn't really jive with standard Republican boilerplate.

And, again, that Southern Strategy stuff is pretty clear.

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From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/29/2008 9:10:41 AM   
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I do. Was the anti-war movement a Republican plank?

It was the main reason Richard Nixon was swept into office.

And it was the cause of the huge protests during the DNC in Chicago in 1968. For eight days, protesters and police battled for control of the streets of Chicago, whilst the Democratic Party met at the convention.
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/29/2008 9:28:37 AM   
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I do. Was the anti-war movement a Republican plank?

It was the main reason Richard Nixon was swept into office.

And it was the cause of the huge protests during the DNC in Chicago in 1968. For eight days, protesters and police battled for control of the streets of Chicago, whilst the Democratic Party met at the convention.

Exactly!

Hubert Humphrey suffered from the fact that he was LBJs VP and the perceprtion was that a vote for him was a vote for the continued policies of LBJ.

I never could understand why Eugene McCarthy seemed to lose desire for the nomination after RFK was assasinated. He would have been my choice at the time.
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/29/2008 9:39:17 AM   
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Of the Kennedys, RFK was the only one that I would have been willing to help elect.
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/29/2008 9:59:29 AM   
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I do. Was the anti-war movement a Republican plank?


Actually, the anti-war movement was resisted by the establishment Democrats.

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I was also under the impression that minimum wages and the rest of the stuff in the Poor People's Campaign didn't really jive with standard Republican boilerplate.


The Republicans voted for the '64 Civil Rights legislation in higher percentages than did their Democratic counterparts - your impression is wrong.

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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/29/2008 10:53:53 AM   
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Was the anti-war movement a Republican plank?
In 1968 (during the Tet Offensive) Nixon promised if elected to get us out of the war before he left office. He slowly brought the troop numbers down until the final pullout in 1975. He almost kept it. Ford got to finish the job.

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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/29/2008 10:59:40 AM   
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Was the anti-war movement a Republican plank?
In 1968 (during the Tet Offensive) Nixon promised if elected to get us out of the war before he left office. He slowly brought the troop numbers down until the final pullout in 1975. He almost kept it. Ford got to finish the job.

That's not what I recall.

The war escalated during Nixon's first term. In 1968, Nixon claimed to have a "secret plan" to end the war. In 1972, the pledge was "peace with honor" - which was a sharp contrast to the pictures of Saigon being overrun and choppers desperately evacuating people from the roof of the U.S. Embassy. It seemed to me that, "honor" was being re-defined to running with our tail between our legs.
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RE: Martin Luther King Was A Republican - 8/29/2008 2:01:19 PM   
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Jackie Robinson was a Republican too.
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