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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/4/2008 10:30:57 PM
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BeckeyZ
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I can't change another person, even though I have tried. (knocks head against wall)
Before you tried did you wonder how you would have reacted had someone tried to change you the way you tried to change them?
I always thought it was only Jesus who could change us.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/4/2008 10:32:31 PM
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I can't change another person, even though I have tried. (knocks head against wall)
Before you tried did you wonder how you would have reacted had someone tried to change you the way you tried to change them?
I always thought it was only Jesus who could change us.
And you are correct. But that doesn't keep people from trying.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/5/2008 5:03:10 AM
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Who says kids have to dress up as zombie's or witches?
...Still waiting for someone to respond to post 308...
I'll bite. If you are talking about Romans 14, this is talking about food and days of fasting derived from the Scriptures. This is not talking about special days of other religions or the biblically appointed times. Is someone who is observing the special day of another religion doing so to the Lord?
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/5/2008 1:52:00 PM
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post 308, IMHO God is wonderful and knew in advance we'd be having these discussions. The topics we debate have changed but the motivation stays the same.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/5/2008 4:43:35 PM
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phosadaud
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Who says kids have to dress up as zombie's or witches?
...Still waiting for someone to respond to post 308...
I'll bite. If you are talking about Romans 14, this is talking about food and days of fasting derived from the Scriptures. This is not talking about special days of other religions or the biblically appointed times. Is someone who is observing the special day of another religion doing so to the Lord?
What makes something a religious holiday? Everyone I know who celebrates Halloween is celebrating a secular holiday with no religious significance. Yes, there are some traditions that thousands of years ago had some religious origins, but what we celebrate & how we celebrate it would not be recognized by a single religion on this planet - today or in history.
I'm going to repost my main points in that post though because the Scripture was not the point I was making - it was more supplemental to the point I was making:
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Things have no inherent "good" or "bad" value to them. The only thing that matters is what it means today and why a person is doing something. The origin of something is nothing more than historical information. There is no power in origins.
I fall into category #2. It is not because I don't know. It is not because I am ignorant - willfully or otherwise. It is because I see this as something identical to the meat sacrificed to idols in the early church. Idols are not real so "things" do not become unclean simply because someone used "things" for the wrong reasons. What matters is what the "things" mean to you. As such, origins are interesting to learn about, but there is no power in them. God is not a God who is beholden to anyone - demon or otherwise. Ever.
The fact is, I would say the majority of "things" and traditions have bad beginnings. Then there are things that had great beginnings (crossing your fingers) but were twisted and lost their meaning over the years.
Then there are things that started out pagan and evil but God used for good: baptism, communion, the Cross, etc.
Anyone care to bite?
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/5/2008 6:03:50 PM
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GrahamCracker
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Who says kids have to dress up as zombie's or witches?
...Still waiting for someone to respond to post 308...
I'll bite. If you are talking about Romans 14, this is talking about food and days of fasting derived from the Scriptures. This is not talking about special days of other religions or the biblically appointed times. Is someone who is observing the special day of another religion doing so to the Lord?
Well, then. I think you should stop referring to the days of the week by their customary English names because most of them are derived from Norse gods and goddesses. Furthermore, you should come up with another nomenclature for the months of the year since they come from Greek/Roman paganism.
In fact, you should research all of the words in the English language for their etymology just in case you are using any words that have pagan derivation--and purge them from your speech. Otherwise, using any of those words would be unconsciously worshiping those pagan deities.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/5/2008 7:34:23 PM
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oh oh oh orange moon pies????????????i love moon pies
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/6/2008 11:49:38 AM
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car2ner
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that's o.k. having no working taste buds is not sinful in and of it's self.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/6/2008 12:49:21 PM
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Lapidoth
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For you people that are against any celebration that has any tis to pagan practices I have two questions.
1. Do any of you own cats?
2. Do any of you enjoy a good steak or hamburger?
If you answer yes to either of these you had better change your ways. Cats were once worshiped as gods and cows are considered scared in some pagan beliefs.
1. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol.
2. Born a vegetarian, I can say NO!!!!!!!!! here too.
(allergies? who knows. I DO NOT like the taste of meat.
that includes anything with eyeballs.)
So, I'm clean...............................LOL.
Or, is that Kosher?
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/6/2008 12:52:40 PM
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Lapidoth
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That's actually exactly what most of us are trying to argue.  I don't think anyone here is arguing folks should celebrate Halloween. The argument is with those who think those who celebrate Halloween (even if it's nothing more than carving pumpkins and dressing the kiddos up as princes & princesses) are actually practicing paganism and being evil.
Do we actually study out the Word in every way to see if it is "pleasing to God,"
or, since I'm not convicted it must be pleasing?
Just a thought.
I'm still holding my rocks, so I haven't cast any. LOL.
Exodus 32:5
And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it;
and Aaron made proclamation, and said,
To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
Aaron "compromised" trying to "redeem" a detestable act.
Exodus 32:24 {Aaron's excuse}
. . . . then I cast it into the fire,
and there came out this calf.
< Message edited by Lapidoth -- 10/6/2008 12:59:54 PM >
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/6/2008 3:26:40 PM
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phosadaud
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I suggest folks read the entire passage. Aaron wasn't trying to redeem anything. The people asked him to make gods to "go before them" and he gathered gold jewelry and stuff and created an idol for them to worship.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/6/2008 3:52:38 PM
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Does it make any difference to anyone that eleventy-billion people celebrate Christmas with no religious significance?
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/6/2008 3:54:21 PM
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JustJeannie
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Does it make any difference to anyone that eleventy-billion people celebrate Christmas with no religious significance?
LOL @ eleventy-billion....but otherwise, excellent point.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/8/2008 5:02:44 PM
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i think halloween is a fun time for kids to get to dress up and pretend to be something else....(who doesn't want to be a super hero) of course there are the weirdos out there who treat halloween as something evil but those people are not doing anything but ruining it for the rest of us......i know that i love dressing up with my kids and taking them trick or treating plus there are hay rides which are a lot of fun (and can be romantic with my hubby (: i think halloween is just another fun holiday that some people interpret wrong.......HAPPY HALLOWEEN YA'LL 
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/9/2008 4:16:00 PM
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1 Timothy 4:1 (don't "follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons")
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 ("what fellowship can light have with darkness?")
1 Corinthians 10:31 ("whatever you do, do everything for the glory of God")
1 Corinthians 11:1 ("follow the example of Christ") I wonder if He ever celebrated Halloween or samhin?
1 Corinthians 10:31 ("whatever you do, do everything for the glory of God")
Romans 13:12 ("put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.")
Ephesians 6:11-18 ("take your stand against the devil's schemes.")
1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 ("Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.")
James 1:27 ("keep oneself from being polluted by the world")
1 Corthians 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
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I think Halloween is a fun time for kids to get to dress up and pretend to be something else....(who doesn't want to be a super hero) of course there are the weirdoes out there who treat Halloween as something evil but those people are not doing anything but ruining it for the rest of us
I guess one of the weirdoes is the word then.... but knowing what I know I would NOT partake in the worlds so called holiday if u can call it that and yes as a child I did go house to house and do the things "trick or treat" but I grew up and found out what it is really all about and now I would NOT allow my soul spirit or body that is to be the vessel of the most holy God to go out in to the worlds sinful night......
but I guess like John says John 3:19-20 (people love darkness instead of light).......I shall take a stand and say to John and to Jesus "NOT I LORD" I love you more than this so called holiday...
I'd rather have it ruin than to lose a soul due to the wickedness of the night
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/9/2008 4:22:37 PM
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doinkdom
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I guess one of the weirdoes is the word then.... but knowing what I know I would NOT partake in the worlds so called holiday if u can call it that and yes as a child I did go house to house and do the things "trick or treat" but I grew up and found out what it is really all about and now I would NOT allow my soul spirit or body that is to be the vessel of the most holy God to go out in to the worlds sinful night......
but I guess like John says John 3:19-20 (people love darkness instead of light).......I shall take a stand and say to John and to Jesus "NOT I LORD" I love you more than this so called holiday
An admirable attitude for certain. Unfortunately, the wording towards the end of the post presents an I'm-holier-than-you attitude because of the conviction. That's the good and the bad of personal conviction...they are personal and should remain so.
I have several personal convictions, but my convictions should not be a thermometer of someone else's spiritual life.
I think taking a stand is awesome, just please don't use it as a spiritual measuring stick for other people.
...just sayin'
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/9/2008 6:41:37 PM
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I would posit that what a holiday is "really all about" has to do with what the majority of people actually do to celebrate it, along with what you do personally to celebrate it.
I frankly have never even heard of a lot of the Samhain practices that have been listed here before. I doubt that more than .1% of the population of this country does those things (that being the percentage of people in this country who actually self-identify as wiccan/pagan/druid). As such, I would be hard-pressed to agree that that's what the holiday is "really all about". Especially when the holiday is called something entirely different and is on a different night.
As such, it would be logical to decide not to celebrate the holiday based on the idea that scaring people and ghosts and goblins is an inappropriate holiday motif (or to avoid those motifs for other parts of the holiday), but not logical based on the idea that in the same general vicinity lands a pagan holiday that apparently significantly less than 1% of the population actually observes.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/10/2008 5:19:08 AM
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Superduck77
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I think taking a stand is awesome, just please don't use it as a spiritual measuring stick for other people.
...just sayin'
I totally agree and thank you for the comments we each have our own convictions...my last comment wasn't to say holier than thou naw I humbly say that to Jesus I do prefer Him over any holiday He is the love of my life I give Him all the glory for all things both great and small and yes even for oct 31st for God makes all the days in which to serve Him in fully....
which is what I will be doing worshiping my Jesus and also praying for those that have choosen to go out...for their safe being to remember when I was a child that is when poison began to be put in candy and such....now yes I read if they ....poison it shall not harm them and I believe that totally what I am saying is you have my prayers no matter what.........you do
I will always stand against halloween and stand up for my Jesus "in a humble spiritual way" for who are we that a God would die for us ya know
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/10/2008 7:54:37 AM
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Superduck, your bio says that your location is "the other side of the pond". Does that mean that you are in Europe? There might be a bit of a cultural difference as well.
This in not to argue with your convictions, I appreciate them. It is just to better understand where you are coming from. It is way too easy for those of us in the USA to think that the rest of the world thinks like us (even though we know better).
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/10/2008 10:11:40 AM
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Zhi
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The fact that I don't particularly see Halloween as a deep and horrible soul-stealing evil does not mean I'm going to take my child trick-or-treating in the middle of this metropolis. I'm dressing her up as Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz (assuming I manage to sew the costume within the next couple weeks), taking a whole bunch of pictures for the family (who I am quite certain care a lot more about her playing dress up than she does, heh) and then going to a fall festival at a nearby church.
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