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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:29:16 AM
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blue1914
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It's interesting to me that it appears he chose someone who is CURRENTLY (as in not yet cleared) under investigation for an inappropriate personnel decision. With this (if she is indeed the nominee), I'm sure the investigation will be swept under the rug, but it just seems like it paints a BIG target that neither Mr. McCain or Ms. Palin need in what is already a very tough election cycle.
If you actually read about the issue, you can see it is so minor that only partisans will take note, if they can explain it to anyone. Palin is considered one of the cleanest candidates out there, Dem. or Rep.
Actually, you partially make my point. The issue may appear small (and remember, size is a matter of perspective-as a conservative you find it small, I'm not certain that a liberal or an undecided voter will agree), but it is quite drama packed in general-a person in a position of power taking revenge against a weaker rival. To be honest, in the hands of a successful spin doctor, this incident could be made to look like almost anything-and worse yet because she has not yet been cleared of it. As we can see from the Swiftboat campaigns of the 2004 election, Swiftboating (while detestable) can be a very effective method in swaying the undecided voter. This election will be decided by and large by the undecided voter in American. In this pick, one has got to wonder if Mr. McCain put the "Swiftboat" in the water aimed at his own campaign.
Sorry all, I didn't see that my original post had made it-this was a rephrase of the original post.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:31:36 AM
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Actually, you partially make my point. The issue may appear small (and remember, size is a matter of perspective-as a conservative you find it small, I'm not certain that a liberal or an undecided voter will agree), but it is quite drama packed in general-a person in a position of power taking revenge against a weaker rival. To be honest, in the hands of a successful spin doctor, this incident could be made to look like almost anything-and worse yet because she has not yet been cleared of it. As we can see from the Swiftboat campaigns of the 2004 election, Swiftboating (while detestable) can be a very effective method in swaying the undecided voter. This election will be decided by and large by the undecided voter in American. In this pick, one has got to wonder if Mr. McCain put the "Swiftboat" in the water aimed at his own campaign.
Sorry all, I didn't see that my original post had made it-this was a rephrase of the original post.
Well, you are a good test case - what details about the incident concern you?
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:34:51 AM
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the whackos at DU, HuffPo and C&L are already going nuts. I expect to see a lot of vilifying of her choice to have her Downs Syndrome baby.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:38:31 AM
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I, for one, am quite pleased with the pick, which has made McCain infinitely more palatable. There was, of course, no chance I wouldn't vote for McCain as it was, thanks to the donks choosing Obama, but a pro-life, pro-gun, pro-drill candidate like Palin makes it a lot easier.
And, for goodness sake, the woman can shoot supper. I respect the dickens out of that.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:40:39 AM
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Her husband is a SAHF tho she has taken Trig (newborn) to the capital so she could bond and breast feed.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:41:29 AM
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So you believe Obama and Palin have the same experience? Maybe I missed something but isn't Palin in her FIRST term as governor
Actually, because she is an executive, I think she has better experience.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:41:37 AM
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Palin makes voting for McCain that much easier for me.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:41:37 AM
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Oh my goodness!!!!! I am shocked!!!!!!!
I thought for sure it'd be Mitt Romney to solidify his base. I was not expecting this at all! McCain is a maverick and he just showed it! Kudos to him for making this election even more historic, more exciting!
I didn't think he'd pick Palin because she is currently under state investigation. I think he may have to explain to independents because she is pretty hard-line conservative. She is not very well known, so I think he should have picked her earlier - he only has a month now to explain her state investigation, and tell who she is.
But way to go McCain - it's a gutsy pick and this has to be the most exciting race in my memory!!!!!
Peace and God bless,
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:41:58 AM
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Actually, you partially make my point. The issue may appear small (and remember, size is a matter of perspective-as a conservative you find it small, I'm not certain that a liberal or an undecided voter will agree), but it is quite drama packed in general-a person in a position of power taking revenge against a weaker rival. To be honest, in the hands of a successful spin doctor, this incident could be made to look like almost anything-and worse yet because she has not yet been cleared of it. As we can see from the Swiftboat campaigns of the 2004 election, Swiftboating (while detestable) can be a very effective method in swaying the undecided voter. This election will be decided by and large by the undecided voter in American. In this pick, one has got to wonder if Mr. McCain put the "Swiftboat" in the water aimed at his own campaign.
Sorry all, I didn't see that my original post had made it-this was a rephrase of the original post.
Well, you are a good test case - what details about the incident concern you?
I don't mind saying-I am highly disturbed by the fact that Ms. Palin quite obviously held a vendetta against her former brother in law-regardless of how justified she may have been (or how JUSTIFIABLE her actions may be to those who are investigating her), I guess it just appears that those who are in a position of power look very small when they stoop to take revenge against someone weaker than they. Long and short, if it was ordering a secretary to get her dry cleaning or firing someone she didn't like, it's an abuse of power and that to me makes it detestable (and very much against what the Bible tells us as Christians we are to do).
I have been a manager in the past and I had people on my team that I knew purposely undermined me to superiors and I did not like on a personal basis. As long as they did their work, I had nothing to say to them-my personal feelings for them was just that-MY personal feelings. It looks like in this case, she took her personal feelings a little too far.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:45:39 AM
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he only has a month now to explain her state investigation, and tell who she is.
The election is 2 months away.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:46:24 AM
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I don't mind saying-I am highly disturbed by the fact that Ms. Palin quite obviously held a vendetta against her former brother in law-regardless of how justified she may have been (or how JUSTIFIABLE her actions may be to those who are investigating her), I guess it just appears that those who are in a position of power look very small when they stoop to take revenge against someone weaker than they. Long and short, if it was ordering a secretary to get her dry cleaning or firing someone she didn't like, it's an abuse of power and that to me makes it detestable (and very much against what the Bible tells us as Christians we are to do).
I have been a manager in the past and I had people on my team that I knew purposely undermined me to superiors and I did not like on a personal basis. As long as they did their work, I had nothing to say to them-my personal feelings for them was just that-MY personal feelings. It looks like in this case, she took her personal feelings a little too far.
Her brother-in-law was a State Trooper, whom it is alleged she sought to have fire, tasered an 11 year old and threatened to kill someone, as well as violating game laws - for which he got 5 days off thanks to his union.
Your concern about 'corruption' seems mislaid her.
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RE: VP choice Sarah Palin - 8/29/2008 11:46:48 AM
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And what term is Obama serving in the U.S. Senate?
I think he's on something like day 145.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:47:04 AM
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In a pick with ANY whiff of scandal (even a small one-and remember, scandal size tends to be judged from one's perspective-a small scandal to a conservative can be huge to a liberal and vice versa), Mr. McCain "put the Swiftboat in the water" against himself so to speak it would appear.
I disagree. Size does matter, and the scandal appears pretty tiny and manufactured.
The public is well aware that media AND opponents blow up scandals to create an advantage.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:47:56 AM
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he only has a month now to explain her state investigation, and tell who she is.
The election is 2 months away.
Sorry 2 months away. But even at that, he has to introduce her, and explain why she's being investigated by the state of Alaska.
I don't think I could have 5 kids myself, and run for such a high office - wow!
Peace and God bless,
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:48:20 AM
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Wow! The race just got interesting!
And as far as candidates being govs vs. senators..most of our recent presidents were govs instead of serving in congress. Bush...Clinton...(not sure about Bush senior)...Carter...RR...
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:48:34 AM
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The biggest accomplishment of Alaskan Governor Palin's career is her extending honorary citizenship status to late night host Craig Ferguson. Ferguson declared that she had a sexy librarian vibe.
Actually I love this choice from Senator McCain's perspective.I absolutely think she will bring votes as an excitement boost to the ticket and will pick up a few "Hillary" votes. Not too many but every bit helps.
The downside (if there is any) is that there will be questions about her ability to lead should something happen to Senator McCain. Not from me (so I'm not going to debate it as reality isn't as big an issue as perception) but from others. And you would prefer that your VP not be under investigation for anything but I had to work hard just to find these downsides.
Definite VP advantage to McCain. Senator Biden is pretty much zero sum for Senator Obama. He does shore up the experience factor and since he's aware of his "talkiness" I think he'll avoid saying something really stupid.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:49:54 AM
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Way awesome!!!!!!!!!!
I was seriously tottering towards voting for Bob Barr in November. With this I will enthusiastically vote McCain!
Yay!!!
I am a little concerned about the possible scandal ... just hope it really doesn't amount to much.
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:51:07 AM
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I don't mind saying-I am highly disturbed by the fact that Ms. Palin quite obviously held a vendetta against her former brother in law-regardless of how justified she may have been (or how JUSTIFIABLE her actions may be to those who are investigating her), I guess it just appears that those who are in a position of power look very small when they stoop to take revenge against someone weaker than they. Long and short, if it was ordering a secretary to get her dry cleaning or firing someone she didn't like, it's an abuse of power and that to me makes it detestable (and very much against what the Bible tells us as Christians we are to do).
I have been a manager in the past and I had people on my team that I knew purposely undermined me to superiors and I did not like on a personal basis. As long as they did their work, I had nothing to say to them-my personal feelings for them was just that-MY personal feelings. It looks like in this case, she took her personal feelings a little too far.
Her brother-in-law was a State Trooper, whom it is alleged she sought to have fire, tasered an 11 year old and threatened to kill someone, as well as violating game laws - for which he got 5 days off thanks to his union.
Your concern about 'corruption' seems mislaid her.
Which is somewhat my point-the circumstances surrounding this incident are broad and wide and there are a lot of sides to the story-now you tell me, which story will be told by Mr. McCain's opponents? If several avowed conservatives have never even heard of Ms. Palin, what makes you think that anyone who is introduced to her via a negative sound bite will dig any deeper to find out anything else about her? The Swiftboat attacks were a twisting of the facts-how effective were they in the election on those who were undecided?
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 8/29/2008 11:53:34 AM
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Sorry 2 months away. But even at that, he has to introduce her, and explain why she's being investigated by the state of Alaska.
I don't think I could have 5 kids myself, and run for such a high office - wow!
Actually, I would love the Democrats to bring this up - in order to attack Palin on this they have to defend a wife-abusing, child abusing, life threatening corrupt state trooper who apparently kills wildlife out of season.
All this while defending their Presidential candidate from charges of association with the corrupt and now convicted Tony Rezko and former terrorist Bill Ayers.
I for one really hope Obama choses to play rough.
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