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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/6/2008 7:06:08 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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Here is a Native News link for some info on the Native views of Sarah and Todd Palin. You can access other Native News links thru RezNet News.
http;//reznetnews.org/article/sarah-palin/whats-palins-record-native-issues
Todd Palin is 1/16th Yupi'ik but his grandmother(1/4 Yupi'ik) was the last enrolled tribal member of the family. His biological mother served as a secretary for an Alaska Native board. Todd does not appear to have any ties to or participation in the Native community.
Native Alaskan reaction to Sarah Palin's VP nomination appears mixed, largely due to her opposition to regulations which would have kept the oil companies from releasing toxic chemicals into the environment which would have polluted waters used by Native communities and which have yearly salmon runs that Native Alaskans and wildlife both depend on for food. While she has met with Native Alaskan groups, she did not appoint any Native Alaskans to the Alaskan coastal regulatory planning commission; many Native communities are on the coast, particularly the western and northern coasts, and they feel that they should have some say in any matter which would impact their lives and livelihoods.
For anyone who is interested, I hope this helps.
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/6/2008 9:46:12 PM
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letusreason
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Barak Obama:
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“I know the governor of Alaska has been, you know, saying she is change,” Obama said at a town hall meeting here. “And that is great. She is a skillful politician. But when you [have] been taking all these earmarks when it is convenient and then suddenly you are the champion anti-earmark person.
The McCain campaign issued a statement that accused Obama of distorting the Republicans' record on earmarks, and hit back at him for pursuing the spending requests as an Illinois senator.
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"Barack Obama has requested the equivalent of $1 million in new pork barrel spending for every working day he's been in the U.S Senate, while John McCain has never once asked for an earmark, and Gov. Palin has vetoed hundreds of millions in government spending, including killing the infamous 'bridge to nowhere,'" spokesman Tucker Bounds said. "Just like so many other issues, Barack Obama is all talk, has no record to back it up and isn't ready to make change."
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/6/2008 10:23:03 PM
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FreddieD
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Because like I said before, the video does not include the FACT that she wasn't even governor when she was "for it"
Are you admitting that she was "for it?" I finally, some progress.
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so how in the world could she know everything it entailed and the state's fiscal situation???
“The Alaska governor campaigned in 2006 on a build-the-bridge platform, telling Ketchikan residents she felt their pain when politicians called them ‘nowhere.’”
The Anchorage Daily News
Really, I would like to believe that she was so incompetent for being ignorant of Alaska’s fiscal situation but the news states otherwise. She knew what she was doing.
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The video said "GOVERNOR Palin" as if she WAS GOVERNOR when she was "for it".
What is your point? Anything she does outside of the governor’s seat was fair game?
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You call that a flip flop? Which the video didn't do, it implied she lied, and you are not even addressing that. Why not? first it was a lie now its a flip flop? making up your character assinating mind!
What are you referring to? Did I say “a lie?” Did the video say “a lie?” Please be more specific on your charges. The Anchorage Daily News and other news services maintains it as a “flip flop.”
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She kept the money , in her personal account I take it?
I really don’t care where she kept it, just that Washington didn’t get it back.
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Also, from your expertise and knowledge on this subject, tell me how many others (governors) give money back to Washington. Or are you just singleing her out for political reasons? Thought so.
Oh, than that makes it right? Your questions only serve to accuse her of unethical practices.
And
She should be scrutinized because she running for VP and she “flip flop”. Do you think she should get a free pass?
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Now here are the facts you need brushing up on .
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After taking office and examining the project closely, she consistently opposed funding the ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ and ultimately canceled the wasteful project.”
I don't know where you got that quote.
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and from your USAToday article you left out:
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McAlister said he was unaware of the details of Wasilla's earmarks. But, he added, "As mayor of the city, her charge was very different than it is now. She's obviously taking a much broader look at things as governor." That is so evident it was not a flip flop but an exercise in gaining knowledge and making a better decision based on the broader outlook. Are you dense?
No, I am not dense and apparently you are leaving more out of the article than I am. Bill McAlister admits that she had “changed her mind”, translation “flip flop.”
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Did you note that word "consistantly" ???? Funny how a story has a word in it stating her position as governor as consistant and you decide to spread a lie out over the longer span of her life when she wasn't governor. Why is that?
I don’t know where you got that?
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Why is it you don't want to address all of OBAMA's flip flops that occurred WHILE HE WAS A BABY SENATOR? Funny how you don't see the difference between a non-governor decision and a sitting Senator don't cha think?
Take a look at the title of this thread. Do you see Obama’s name in it?
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Your silly little video and fuzzy selectable facts are totally transparent to your agenda and lack of reason and logic.
So you do admit than that they are “facts,” even if you disagree with the logic.
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But of course, your barak colored glasses will keep you seeing what you want to see I'm sure.
No, I do not need “barak colored glasses” nor “Barbie doll” glasses to see things.
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/6/2008 10:28:49 PM
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FreddieD
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The McCain campaign issued a statement that accused Obama of distorting the Republicans' record on earmarks, and hit back at him for pursuing the spending requests as an Illinois senator.
You get all your news from the RNC? Isn’t that being rather selective?
FreddieD
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/6/2008 10:31:34 PM
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No, I do not need “barak colored glasses” nor “Barbie doll” glasses to see things.
FreddieD
What exactly do you mean by "'Barbie doll' glasses?"
NiceGuy 
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/6/2008 10:45:35 PM
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FreddieD
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What exactly do you mean by "'Barbie doll' glasses?"
NiceGuy
What is "barak colored glasses"?
FreddieD
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/6/2008 11:07:11 PM
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FreddieD
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***Incoming Message from the Big Giant Head ***
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What is "barak colored glasses"?
FreddieD
I don't know...
Than find out.
FreddieD
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/6/2008 11:29:15 PM
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NiceGuy
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***Incoming Message from the Big Giant Head ***
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***Incoming Message from the Big Giant Head ***
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What is "barak colored glasses"?
FreddieD
I don't know...
Than find out.
FreddieD
Thanks for participating in this enlightening exchange. It's nice to see that misogynist quips are still great for furthering meaningful discourse.
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/7/2008 12:07:09 AM
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FreddieD
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Thanks for participating in this enlightening exchange. It's nice to see that misogynist quips are still great for furthering meaningful discourse.
I guess that would be the only conclusion that can be had once all the facts are ignored.
FreddieD
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/7/2008 12:14:00 AM
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I received the following email today:
Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile
> interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense
> Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that
> protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks.
> It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
>
>
> As governor of Alaska , Palin is briefed on highly
> classified military issues, homeland security, and
> counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may
> rival even Biden's and certainly by far exceeds Obama's.
>
> She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State
> Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia
> incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism
> plans.
>
> Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that
> are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska
> 's proximity to Russia , she may have security clearances
> we don't even know about.
>
> According to the Washington Post, she first met with
> McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a
> woman used to keeping secrets.
>
> She can be entrusted with our national security, because
> she already is.
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/7/2008 8:33:17 PM
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letusreason
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Because like I said before, the video does not include the FACT that she wasn't even governor when she was "for it"
Are you admitting that she was "for it?" I finally, some progress.
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so how in the world could she know everything it entailed and the state's fiscal situation???
¡§The Alaska governor campaigned in 2006 on a build-the-bridge platform, telling Ketchikan residents she felt their pain when politicians called them ¡¥nowhere.¡¦¡¨
The Anchorage Daily News
Really, I would like to believe that she was so incompetent for being ignorant of Alaska¡¦s fiscal situation but the news states otherwise. She knew what she was doing.
It's ludicrous to say someone is incompetent before they have all the information to make a decision and before they are in office. You have no proof she knew everything about that project and about Alaska's fiscal situation before being elected. YOu have an insuation to nowhere so to speak.
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The video said "GOVERNOR Palin" as if she WAS GOVERNOR when she was "for it".
What is your point? Anything she does outside of the governor¡¦s seat was fair game?
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You call that a flip flop? Which the video didn't do, it implied she lied, and you are not even addressing that. Why not? first it was a lie now its a flip flop? making up your character assinating mind!
What are you referring to? Did I say ¡§a lie?¡¨ Did the video say ¡§a lie?¡¨ Please be more specific on your charges. The Anchorage Daily News and other news services maintains it as a ¡§flip flop.¡¨
The video said her "NO THANKYOU MEANS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE" That is a LIE!! It meant exactly what she said at that point in time from then on because from then on she has since avoided wasteful spending AS GOVERNOR CONSISTANTLY unlike barak obama.
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She kept the money , in her personal account I take it?
I really don¡¦t care where she kept it, just that Washington didn¡¦t get it back.
And the money is used for other Alaskan projects , WOW what a total disaster, money is spent on worthwile projects isntead of the wasteful she said no thank you too.
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Also, from your expertise and knowledge on this subject, tell me how many others (governors) give money back to Washington. Or are you just singleing her out for political reasons? Thought so.
Oh, than that makes it right? Your questions only serve to accuse her of unethical practices.
ĔAndĔ
She should be scrutinized because she running for VP and she ¡§flip flop¡¨. Do you think she should get a free pass?
There is no story dude, she was for something when she was running for Governor, then after taking office she cleaned house in more ways than one. WHY WON"T YOU APPLY THE SAME SCRUTINY TO THE WASTEFUL PORK SPENDING OF OBAMA WHO HAS DONE IT A MILLIONS TIME OVER , HE DESERVES IT WAY MORE THAN SHE!!
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Now here are the facts you need brushing up on .
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After taking office and examining the project closely, she consistently opposed funding the ¡¥Bridge to Nowhere¡¦ and ultimately canceled the wasteful project.¡¨
I don't know where you got that quote.
DUH.....google it Mr. I <3 UTOOB.
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and from your USAToday article you left out:
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McAlister said he was unaware of the details of Wasilla's earmarks. But, he added, "As mayor of the city, her charge was very different than it is now. She's obviously taking a much broader look at things as governor." That is so evident it was not a flip flop but an exercise in gaining knowledge and making a better decision based on the broader outlook. Are you dense?
No, I am not dense and apparently you are leaving more out of the article than I am. Bill McAlister admits that she had ¡§changed her mind¡¨, translation ¡§flip flop.¡¨
Welcome to politics, most politicians get a pass for flip-flopping while in office , where as she wasn't even in office the whole time, Your just trying to save face now because you were mislead by your own hack job video that played loose and fast with the facts as to when she became governor, in other words , your video made you look like you didn't know everything becasue its obvious by what you said you didn't. Too bad you didn't read everything before you trusted the distortion video.
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Did you note that word "consistantly" ???? Funny how a story has a word in it stating her position as governor as consistant and you decide to spread a lie out over the longer span of her life when she wasn't governor. Why is that?
I don¡¦t know where you got that?
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Why is it you don't want to address all of OBAMA's flip flops that occurred WHILE HE WAS A BABY SENATOR? Funny how you don't see the difference between a non-governor decision and a sitting Senator don't cha think?
Take a look at the title of this thread. Do you see Obama¡¦s name in it?
Oh is he exempt from your Sarah Palin standards? Hmmm? It's so hypocritical of you to post this one little instance of her becoming progressively more against wasteful spending a position which she has NEVER GONE BACK ON and totally ignore the MILLIONS OF PORK OBAMA HAS EARMARKED. you absolutley kill me.
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Your silly little video and fuzzy selectable facts are totally transparent to your agenda and lack of reason and logic.
So you do admit than that they are ¡§facts,¡¨ even if you disagree with the logic.
Any facts in that video are totally selective, others ignored, and rest distorted
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But of course, your barak colored glasses will keep you seeing what you want to see I'm sure.
No, I do not need ¡§barak colored glasses¡¨ nor ¡§Barbie doll¡¨ glasses to see things.
FreddieD
You just proved me right when I said you had an agenda [edited by moderator - TOS 6]
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 9/7/2008 11:48:52 PM
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Memrie88
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The Alaska National Guard is on constant full time active duty I suspect regarding it's proximity to Russia. She is their Commander in Chief.
She has plenty of experience in foreign policies in my book. Many that are likely top secret.
She breast feeds her baby and can field dress an elk! She has a "naughty librarian" attractiveness that even Obama can't ignore.
She has a quick and intelligent mind. A beautiful family. And obviously a healthy marriage...
She was pregnant while serving as governor. The list is bottomless!!
She knows her stuff and I like her!!
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/8/2008 9:05:58 PM
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FreddieD
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ORIGINAL: psalm116
I received the following email today:
Alaska is the first line of defense in our missile
> interceptor defense system. The 49th Missile Defense
> Battalion of the Alaska National Guard is the unit that
> protects the entire nation from ballistic missile attacks.
> It's on permanent active duty, unlike other Guard units.
>
>
> As governor of Alaska , Palin is briefed on highly
> classified military issues, homeland security, and
> counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may
> rival even Biden's and certainly by far exceeds Obama's.
>
> She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State
> Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia
> incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism
> plans.
>
> Palin is privy to military and intelligence secrets that
> are vital to the entire country's defense. Given Alaska
> 's proximity to Russia , she may have security clearances
> we don't even know about.
>
> According to the Washington Post, she first met with
> McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a
> woman used to keeping secrets.
>
> She can be entrusted with our national security, because
> she already is.
Are we still at war with Russia?
FreddieD
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/8/2008 10:13:34 PM
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FreddieD
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It's ludicrous to say someone is incompetent before they have all the information to make a decision and before they are in office. You have no proof she knew everything about that project and about Alaska's fiscal situation before being elected.
While running for governor in 2006, though, Palin backed federal funding for the infamous bridge, which McCain helped make a symbol of pork barrel excess.
USATODAY.com:
All you have to do is read. If you don't want to read the article than there is no point in discussing this further with you.
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The video said her "NO THANKYOU MEANS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE" That is a LIE!! It meant exactly what she said at that point in time from then on because from then on she has since avoided wasteful spending AS GOVERNOR CONSISTANTLY unlike barak obama.
You haven't proven a single point. Its all your opinion.
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And the money is used for other Alaskan projects , WOW what a total disaster, money is spent on worthwile projects isntead of the wasteful she said no thank you too.
Who are you to say what is "worthwhile" and "wasteful"? I think that is up to congress.
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There is no story dude, she was for something when she was running for Governor, then after taking office she cleaned house in more ways than one. WHY WON"T YOU APPLY THE SAME SCRUTINY TO THE WASTEFUL PORK SPENDING OF OBAMA WHO HAS DONE IT A MILLIONS TIME OVER , HE DESERVES IT WAY MORE THAN SHE!!
You claimed she didn't know before. How you say she ran on the issue for govenor. Please make up your mind.
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DUH.....google it Mr. I <3 UTOOB.
You can provide the link. I ain't jumping when you say jump. Hows that for straight talk?
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Welcome to politics, most politicians get a pass for flip-flopping while in office , where as she wasn't even in office the whole time,
Here's your favorite resources. Wikipedia®
A "flip-flop" (used mostly in the United States) or a U-turn (used in the United Kingdom) is a sudden real or apparent change of policy or opinion by a public official, sometimes while trying to claim that both positions are consistent with each other. Often it will occur during the period prior to an election in order to maximize the candidate's popularity.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to use it.
Just admit that she "flip flop," than we have a discussion.
FreddieD
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/8/2008 11:14:16 PM
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Wow Freddie…Palin sure does have you worried doesn’t she? Well you have a right to be because she is Obama’s worse nightmare. The debates will be very enlightening.
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/10/2008 8:57:49 PM
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FreddieD
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Wow Freddie…Palin sure does have you worried doesn’t she? Well you have a right to be because she is Obama’s worse nightmare. The debates will be very enlightening.
Bob
Are you talking about ex-New York City Mayor Edward Koch?
The Associated Press: "Koch says Palin "scares" him, endorses Obama ticket"
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Saying GOP vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin "scares the hell out of me," ex-New York City Mayor Edward Koch endorsed fellow Democrat Barack Obama yesterday.
In 2004, Koch backed President George W. Bush for re-election, saying the Republican was better equipped to combat international terrorism than Democrat John Kerry.
Koch said he has concluded that the country would be safer in the hands of Obama and Joe Biden than John McCain and Palin.
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He shouldn't be so scared. It's just a pitbull with lipstick.
FreddieD
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/10/2008 11:21:56 PM
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FreddieD
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Wow Freddie…Palin sure does have you worried doesn’t she? Well you have a right to be because she is Obama’s worse nightmare. The debates will be very enlightening.
Bob
Sarah Palin also scares "Matt Damon". He calls it a really really bad Disney movie.
FreddieD
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/10/2008 11:25:59 PM
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Sarah Palin also scares "Matt Damon". He calls it a really really bad Disney movie.
Yeah, he sounds like a whiny little girl. I will never be able to take him seriously in the Bourne role again.
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RE: McCain's VP choice Palin - 9/10/2008 11:35:36 PM
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FreddieD
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Yeah, he sounds like a whiny little girl.
That’s sexism!?!?
I thought I give it a shot... It works for conservatives.
FreddieD
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RE: VP choice Palin (still breast feeding) - 9/10/2008 11:38:38 PM
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That sounds great. But I don't feel that the McCain/Palin ticket is any more moral than the Obama/Biden one. I see major moral failings in both. Do I not vote then? I am guessing that's your option.
Good guess...
out of curiosity.. since you don't even vote, why are you devoting so much time to the election boards?
Because there are things more important than voting...
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