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I was giggling through Hillary's speech at the Democratic Convention about the failed policies in the 8ush administration. Now look at the policies in the 8 years leading up to the Bush Presidency.

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And I bet the unemployed people and those who can't afford health insurance beg to differ - Bush's biography is not done yet.

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Oh, Please!
You don't think there's a Bush thread just to praise him, do you?

Accomplishments as president:

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

Being a liberal means you can make up things as you go along.

I'm not going to spend my evening shooting holes in swiss cheese, so let's just pick one item on this make believe list.

"First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community."

- The UN "...officially came into existence on 24 October 1945," follwing many wars in which the US certainly did not ask the "world community" for permission.

You mean God didn't create the UN on the sixth day?

Don't know much about history.

- GWB ordered our troops into Iraq after months of Congressional debate and overwhelming approval. The President did not attack, the USA did, with other countries and with the approval of the Congress and it's people.

- "Unilateral" is typically used by liberals to make people think the USA was all by itslef when it overthrew Saddam Hussein. Don't trust liberals. The original force had troops from four countries, but soon swelled to dozens. The coalition in Iraq included countries from around the world. Great Britain, Poland, Denmark, the Philippines, South Korea, Spain, Austrailia, El Salvador, Honduras, on and on. The list is quite long.
Don't know much geography.

Do we have a thread for works of fiction?

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And I bet the unemployed people and those who can't afford health insurance beg to differ - Bush's biography is not done yet.

After being laid off ... I am an unemployed uninsured voter ... and it is NOT Bush's fault. It just happens.

It's a shame people blame the government (translated the president) for life events that have nothing to do with policies. Under the Bush administration the average inflation rate and unemployment rate have had a lower average than the same numbers of the 70's, 80's and even the nighties. He came into a recession left by the Clinton administration, and was blind sided by 9/11 (which probably would not have happened had the previous administration not made such drastic cuts in our security forces ... I remember very well all the bases that were closed during that administration) and still had very positive economic numbers for years. It has only been the last year where we have experienced challenges in our economy ... but if you know anything about economics, these things are cyclical.

I think there are quite a few who do not understand economics, and just need a scapegoat ... it is easy to follow the opinions of the "news" commentators with their obvious bias (on both sides of the coin). Very few people understand how to research a topic when it comes to an area they have no experience. To really understand you need a course in economics at the very least ... but most just do not bother to learn the ropes ... but just repeat what they have heard or read. Unfortunately, we no longer have a reliable media that is employed by unbiased reporters as we did decades ago. My dad was a Whitehouse correspondent, traveling with the President on Airforce One to cover him, and I learned so much from my dad about the game. I had a roommate who studied my dad's work in college as a journalist major ... the lesson was about unbiased reporting. You could read his articles and not have any idea what side of the fence he stood ... unfortunately, that is no longer the case. The end result is an enormous amount of voters who think they understand an issue ... when they only understand one side's opinion of that issue ... and that side most likely has an agenda.

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Oh, Please!
You don't think there's a Bush thread just to praise him, do you?

Accomplishments as president:

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
Wow I didn't know the President had control over people overspending what they could pay back.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
Source Please

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

As opposed to Clinton sitting back and doing Nothing during the first attack on the WTC in 1993, attcks on out Embasies in Africa, the Attack on the USS Cole, Bush actually did something about the attack on the US

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

Source Please
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Since when is the President suppose to anounce to the Press every time he does something? According to the Consitituion the President is only requiered to give a State of the Union to the Congress once a year. Yes ther is Freedom of the Press but that doesn't mean the President is required to hold Press Conferences.

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

Source Please

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Yes unlike our Democratic Congress who gave up their vacation to discuss off shore Drilling.

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

Source Please


First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

Well considering the UN recored on Human Rights I'm not sure how much room they have to talk.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

I don't know the Spanish American War comes to mind. Ironically that was launched because the press wanted a war and so they blew things out of perportion down in Cuba. Now we have press spining the war in Iraq as a huge failure but I digress.
Now I realize that the Spanish American War is before the UN but it was a unilaterally fought war. Unlike the war in Iraq that our Allies have helped with.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

Source Please


Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

Since when is the President of the United States have to worry about what the people in Europe think? And I would think that during the War of 1812 James Madision was conisdered a big treat to peace and stability to the British Empire.

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Our economy is in a recession now.

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Our own government's website begs to differ with you:

" William J. Clinton

During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the U.S. enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history. He was the first Democratic president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to win a second term. He could point to the lowest unemployment rate in modern times, the lowest inflation in 30 years, the highest home ownership in the country's history, dropping crime rates in many places, and reduced welfare rolls. He proposed the first balanced budget in decades and achieved a budget surplus. As part of a plan to celebrate the millennium in 2000, Clinton called for a great national initiative to end racial discrimination.

After the failure in his second year of a huge program of health care reform, Clinton shifted emphasis, declaring "the era of big government is over." He sought legislation to upgrade education, to protect jobs of parents who must care for sick children, to restrict handgun sales, and to strengthen environmental rules. ..."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html

Our economy is in a recession now. There are record foreclosures, a record deficit, sky-rocketing gas prices, millions uninsured, a leader that pays attention to foreign lands - yet not to our own. TaoPoohBear's post is correct.

And, I'm an independent - I look at both sides. To say that our country is not in any trouble after 8 years of the Republican agenda of Bush is wrong and I will hold his party accountable, and as a consideration, when I vote.

Peace and God bless,

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Please! Why does it say from the whitehouse.govs own mouth about Clinton:

"He proposed the first balanced budget in decades..."

Am I the only one who remembers 1995?

The Republicans were the ones pushing for a balanced budget within 7 years. The Democrats were all over TV saying "if we do that, children will starve in the streets and elderly will be neglected and die!" (BTW that is NOT much of an exaggeration. I really did hear something along those lines.)

Of course with the help of a Republican congress and good economy, they balanced it in 4 years.

I agree the current deficit situation is downright shameful and Republicans are largely to blame for it. But to say Democrats are the party of balanced budgets is laughable.

Take it up with our own government's own website - you know, the one that Bush sends PR from - then, where it states that Clinton proposed a balanced budget.

And, btw - Bush drove us into record deficit - history keeps repeating itself with the Republicans....

Peace and God bless,

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And I bet the unemployed people and those who can't afford health insurance beg to differ - Bush's biography is not done yet.

After being laid off ... I am an unemployed uninsured voter ... and it is NOT Bush's fault. It just happens.

It's a shame people blame the government (translated the president) for life events that have nothing to do with policies. Under the Bush administration the average inflation rate and unemployment rate have had a lower average than the same numbers of the 70's, 80's and even the nighties. He came into a recession left by the Clinton administration, and was blind sided by 9/11 (which probably would not have happened had the previous administration not made such drastic cuts in our security forces ... I remember very well all the bases that were closed during that administration) and still had very positive economic numbers for years. It has only been the last year where we have experienced challenges in our economy ... but if you know anything about economics, these things are cyclical.

I think there are quite a few who do not understand economics, and just need a scapegoat ... it is easy to follow the opinions of the "news" commentators with their obvious bias (on both sides of the coin). Very few people understand how to research a topic when it comes to an area they have no experience. To really understand you need a course in economics at the very least ... but most just do not bother to learn the ropes ... but just repeat what they have heard or read. Unfortunately, we no longer have a reliable media that is employed by unbiased reporters as we did decades ago. My dad was a Whitehouse correspondent, traveling with the President on Airforce One to cover him, and I learned so much from my dad about the game. I had a roommate who studied my dad's work in college as a journalist major ... the lesson was about unbiased reporting. You could read his articles and not have any idea what side of the fence he stood ... unfortunately, that is no longer the case. The end result is an enormous amount of voters who think they understand an issue ... when they only understand one side's opinion of that issue ... and that side most likely has an agenda.

Our own government's website begs to differ with you:

" William J. Clinton

During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the U.S. enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history. He was the first Democratic president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to win a second term. He could point to the lowest unemployment rate in modern times, the lowest inflation in 30 years, the highest home ownership in the country's history, dropping crime rates in many places, and reduced welfare rolls. He proposed the first balanced budget in decades and achieved a budget surplus. As part of a plan to celebrate the millennium in 2000, Clinton called for a great national initiative to end racial discrimination.

After the failure in his second year of a huge program of health care reform, Clinton shifted emphasis, declaring "the era of big government is over." He sought legislation to upgrade education, to protect jobs of parents who must care for sick children, to restrict handgun sales, and to strengthen environmental rules. ..."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html

Our economy is in a recession now. There are record foreclosures, a record deficit, sky-rocketing gas prices, millions uninsured, a leader that pays attention to foreign lands - yet not to our own. TaoPoohBear's post is correct.

And, I'm an independent - I look at both sides. To say that our country is not in any trouble after 8 years of the Republican agenda of Bush is wrong and I will hold his party accountable, and as a consideration, when I vote.

Peace and God bless,

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Let me repeat myself, being a liberal means you get to make things up as you go along.

Liz: "Our economy is in a recession now."

Why write things that you don't know about and have no intellectual curiosity to find out? The economy is NOT in a recession. "...export growth and consumer spending helped gross domestic product expand at a 3.3 percent annual rate between April and June."

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Our own government's website begs to differ with you:

" William J. Clinton

During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the U.S. enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history. He was the first Democratic president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to win a second term. He could point to the lowest unemployment rate in modern times, the lowest inflation in 30 years, the highest home ownership in the country's history, dropping crime rates in many places, and reduced welfare rolls. He proposed the first balanced budget in decades and achieved a budget surplus. As part of a plan to celebrate the millennium in 2000, Clinton called for a great national initiative to end racial discrimination.

After the failure in his second year of a huge program of health care reform, Clinton shifted emphasis, declaring "the era of big government is over." He sought legislation to upgrade education, to protect jobs of parents who must care for sick children, to restrict handgun sales, and to strengthen environmental rules. ..."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html

Our economy is in a recession now. There are record foreclosures, a record deficit, sky-rocketing gas prices, millions uninsured, a leader that pays attention to foreign lands - yet not to our own. TaoPoohBear's post is correct.

And, I'm an independent - I look at both sides. To say that our country is not in any trouble after 8 years of the Republican agenda of Bush is wrong and I will hold his party accountable, and as a consideration, when I vote.

Peace and God bless,

I have never "registered" with either party ... but I go straight to the source (raw data) for my information ... and not something either administration writes on behalf of the President they represent. In lieu of that ...

Here are some historical numbers year to year for both Clinton and Bush … and the yearly inflation averages since 1970 …

The inflation rates for

1993: 2.96
1994: 2.61
1995: 2.81
1996: 2.93
1997: 2.34
1998: 1.55
1999: 2.19
2000: 3.38

Average for Clinton : 2.60

2001: 2.83
2002: 1.59
2003: 2.27
2004: 2.68
2005: 3.39
2006: 3.34
2007: 2.85

Average for Bush through 2007 (2008 data not complete): 2.71

Average from 1970 to 1979: 7.09

Average from 1980 to 1989: 5.56

Average from 1990 to 1999 : 6.0

Average for 2000 to date : 2.25

Source: inflationdata.com

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Average unemployment rate for Clinton Presidency 1993 – 2000: 5.0

Average unemployment rate for Bush Presidency to date (2001-2007): 5.28

(Note after 9/11 the airline industry suffered many job losses and he is still neck ‘n neck with Clinton with catastrophic losses and a war to manage, which Clinton did not have in his Presidency … though his shaving down of our security most certainly contributed to the attacks we suffered at 9/11 eight months and 22 days into Bushes first term.)

Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics

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What this hard data shows (without the opinions or commentary we hear on the “news”) is both the Clinton and Bush Presidencies have numbers that are very close … not enough difference to make a fuss about how good is was back then.

My commentary … and Bush had to deal with terrorist that were able to infiltrate into our mainland because the previous administration had cut back to the extreme, placing our Country in danger. And he still kept the economic numbers close to the previous 8 years ... only a eleven one-hundreths of a percentage difference. (Which translates in hard numbers to get a clearer understanding of the difference ... with Bush, if you spent $30,000 in one year, the inflationary difference was $33 for that year ... for a household that spends $100,000 the difference is $110.)

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And before you claim that I quoted from a biased source here is one from CNN:

Transcript of Republican radio address
Delivered by Senator Don Nickles, R-Oklahoma, and Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio

December 9, 1995
Web posted at: 2:10 p.m. EST

NICKLES: Good morning. I'm Senator Don Nickles from Oklahoma.

The president has talked a lot about his budget priorities over the last few weeks. As we continue to work to balance the budget in seven years, you need to know our priorities.

We believe in reducing Washington, D.C. spending and cutting taxes on families to encourage economic growth. We are fighting to guarantee the solvency of Medicare while giving seniors the right to have a say in their own health care decisions.

We believe in reforming an outdated welfare system that costs too much, undermines families, and discourages work. And we believe in moving power out of Washington and back to the American people and to the states.

Lately, Americans have heard too much rhetoric and too few facts about our efforts to balance the budget. Reality should replace rhetoric, so here are some facts to remember.

Compared to our plan, President Clinton's latest claim to balance the budget calls for much higher spending and higher taxes, and he never ever balances the budget.

The president wants your taxes higher, so big government can spend more of your money. We want the government to spend less so you can keep more of your money.

Now, we can't ignore the fact that Medicare is going bankrupt, and we have to save it. The rhetoric that you have heard is that we are cutting Medicare. The reality is that Medicare spending goes up, rising from $4,800 per beneficiary to over $7,200.

Now, that's a 50 percent increase. And when people in Washington call that a cut, they are only trying to scare you. As for a balanced budget, you know it has important benefits for you and your family.

President Clinton's veto of our balanced budget means an American family with a home loan, car loan, and student loan will pay about $2,500 more each year. The president's veto this week means higher taxes on 28 million families.

In fact, we eliminated income taxes on 3.5 million low-income families, but the president said no. The American people are asking us to put aside political differences and balance the budget -- now.

No excuses, no games, no tricks. Mr. President, you agreed to balance the budget in seven years with honest numbers. Let's get it done, and let's do it now.

BOEHNER: Don, that's exactly right. I'm Congressman John Boehner from West Chester, Ohio.

As Senator Nickles just said, the Republicans have an honest balanced budget, one that entirely eliminates the deficit in seven years. It's reasonable, it's responsible, and it's long overdue.

The president now claims to have a seven-year plan of his own. After months of foot-dragging and double talk, a few weeks ago, the president signed a law -- that is a law -- which said that he and Congress would approve an honest balanced budget by the end of the year.

After 18 days of delay, this week the president sent us a budget. One problem, though -- it's never in balance. It misses the mark by around $400 billion.

Despite what he promised, it seems the president just can't deliver, can't live with slowing the growth of Washington spending enough to honestly balance the budget.

If he didn't present a balanced budget, what did he do? President Clinton said no to using honest numbers to balance our budget. President Clinton said no to giving money and power back to states, local communities, and parents who know better how to spend it.

President Clinton said forget his campaign promise to change welfare as we know it and yes to continuing our failed welfare system.

What did the president say yes to? Unfortunately, it was more Washington spending, more Washington gimmicks, and more Washington phony numbers that never balance the budget.

I know you must be thinking, "But the president says he balanced the budget." Yes, he says he has a balanced budget, but as you know, the president says a lot of things. The only way we can ensure a prosperous America is by dealing with our spending problems honestly.

President Clinton likes to tell the American people that he wants a balanced budget. But the sad truth is he has never proposed a real balanced budget. And the only one he has ever seen -- the one passed by this Republican Congress -- he vetoed.

I am deeply troubled by this entire debate. Back in Ohio, when someone makes a promise, you can count on their word. This new Republican Congress promised we'd give America an honest balanced budget, and we kept our word.

Now, the president wants to put off balancing the budget until next year, just like politicians have done for the last 30 years. We believe the time to act is now.

No more Washington gimmicks, Mr. President. No more excuses. We have to balance the budget now, for our kids, for our country.

Thank you and have a good weekend.
Transcript of Republican radio address

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Are you joking? This is a Republican radio address, inthysite - of course they are going to say this - please be real!

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And I bet the unemployed people and those who can't afford health insurance beg to differ - Bush's biography is not done yet.

After being laid off ... I am an unemployed uninsured voter ... and it is NOT Bush's fault. It just happens.

It's a shame people blame the government (translated the president) for life events that have nothing to do with policies. Under the Bush administration the average inflation rate and unemployment rate have had a lower average than the same numbers of the 70's, 80's and even the nighties. He came into a recession left by the Clinton administration, and was blind sided by 9/11 (which probably would not have happened had the previous administration not made such drastic cuts in our security forces ... I remember very well all the bases that were closed during that administration) and still had very positive economic numbers for years. It has only been the last year where we have experienced challenges in our economy ... but if you know anything about economics, these things are cyclical.

I think there are quite a few who do not understand economics, and just need a scapegoat ... it is easy to follow the opinions of the "news" commentators with their obvious bias (on both sides of the coin). Very few people understand how to research a topic when it comes to an area they have no experience. To really understand you need a course in economics at the very least ... but most just do not bother to learn the ropes ... but just repeat what they have heard or read. Unfortunately, we no longer have a reliable media that is employed by unbiased reporters as we did decades ago. My dad was a Whitehouse correspondent, traveling with the President on Airforce One to cover him, and I learned so much from my dad about the game. I had a roommate who studied my dad's work in college as a journalist major ... the lesson was about unbiased reporting. You could read his articles and not have any idea what side of the fence he stood ... unfortunately, that is no longer the case. The end result is an enormous amount of voters who think they understand an issue ... when they only understand one side's opinion of that issue ... and that side most likely has an agenda.

Our own government's website begs to differ with you:

" William J. Clinton

During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the U.S. enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history. He was the first Democratic president since Franklin D. Roosevelt to win a second term. He could point to the lowest unemployment rate in modern times, the lowest inflation in 30 years, the highest home ownership in the country's history, dropping crime rates in many places, and reduced welfare rolls. He proposed the first balanced budget in decades and achieved a budget surplus. As part of a plan to celebrate the millennium in 2000, Clinton called for a great national initiative to end racial discrimination.

After the failure in his second year of a huge program of health care reform, Clinton shifted emphasis, declaring "the era of big government is over." He sought legislation to upgrade education, to protect jobs of parents who must care for sick children, to restrict handgun sales, and to strengthen environmental rules. ..."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html

Our economy is in a recession now. There are record foreclosures, a record deficit, sky-rocketing gas prices, millions uninsured, a leader that pays attention to foreign lands - yet not to our own. TaoPoohBear's post is correct.

And, I'm an independent - I look at both sides. To say that our country is not in any trouble after 8 years of the Republican agenda of Bush is wrong and I will hold his party accountable, and as a consideration, when I vote.

Peace and God bless,

Let me repeat myself, being a liberal means you get to make things up as you go along.

Liz: "Our economy is in a recession now."

Why write things that you don't know about and have no intellectual curiosity to find out? The economy is NOT in a recession. "...export growth and consumer spending helped gross domestic product expand at a 3.3 percent annual rate between April and June."

A recession of honesty

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Are you joking? This is a Republican radio address, inthysite - of course they are going to say this - please be real!

Oh you mean like your quote from MSNBC in support of your views. The home of "a tingle went up my leg" Chris Matthews! Which you used to refute the numbers taken from government sources. To use your own words, "please be real!"

I quoted you a transcript of what was going on at the time from the Republican side to balance the biased biography you quoted.

How is it when you quote liberal media, or bios written by liberals it as if God himself had written it but if anyone uses a quote from a Republican or Conservative media it must be false and biased?

Please!

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I posted from the official website of the white house - where it states that Clinton proposed a balance budget, and you're trying to tell me that this website posts lies?!?! This is where the Bush Administration posts news articles - this is where kids learn about our government...Unreal...now I have heard it all.

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Do you like record deficits, Jack? And I bet the unemployed people and those who can't afford health insurance beg to differ - Bush's biography is not done yet.