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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 12:21:32 PM
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floydette
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If the husband is operating under a spirit of control, should the wife be submitting to that? That would be bowing down to a spirit of control, vs the Spirit of God. Thoughts?
Ah, you bring up an exception right? Looking for exceptions to the general rule? Ok, maybe if the husband is demon possessed or controlling there is a reasonable assertion that she should not submit to him if he tells her to do something contrary to God's word. But she still must submit if there is no violation to God's word. This is because she is to submit to an unbelieving husband who is ultimately serving the prince of the power of the air - satan. And even if he is controlling you must submit. But if he is abusive, well there are other principles to apply.
But really, if you are looking at demon possession or a controlling nature as a way to shatter the rule of submission, you have come to the wrong God. Exceptions, possibly, but only when they contradict God.
Ah, no, I am not talking about the exception.
So, a woman should go ahead and bow down to the spirit of control, when God says you will have no other gods before me. I think that is an interesting way to look at it neuron. Because I think that bowing down, and submitting to another god is exactly what God said not to do.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 1:34:04 PM
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So, a woman should go ahead and bow down to the spirit of control, when God says you will have no other gods before me. I think that is an interesting way to look at it neuron. Because I think that bowing down, and submitting to another god is exactly what God said not to do.
I don't see deferring to one's husband as bowing down as to a god...
It is more an indication of gentleness and a quiet spirit...
I will tell you that it takes greater strength to submit, when it is difficult than it does to struggle and fight against your spouse. It damages the relationship and works to diminish your husband. Even though it is difficult and goes against what the world teaches, even though it may seem unfair... I still believe as a godly wife, it should be done.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 1:37:02 PM
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floydette
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So, a woman should go ahead and bow down to the spirit of control, when God says you will have no other gods before me. I think that is an interesting way to look at it neuron. Because I think that bowing down, and submitting to another god is exactly what God said not to do.
I don't see deferring to one's husband as bowing down as to a god...
It is more an indication of gentleness and a quiet spirit...
I will tell you that it takes greater strength to submit, when it is difficult than it does to struggle and fight against your spouse. It damages the relationship and works to diminish your husband. Even though it is difficult and goes against what the world teaches, even though it may seem unfair... I still believe as a godly wife, it should be done.
hunterjumper,
Perhaps you didn't get a chance to read back a bit. The original question was not about submitting to a husband. It was in the context of a spouse operating under a spirit, other than God's spirit.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 1:39:42 PM
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Floydette
So, a woman should go ahead and bow down to the spirit of control, when God says you will have no other gods before me. I think that is an interesting way to look at it neuron. Because I think that bowing down, and submitting to another god is exactly what God said not to do.
I don't see deferring to one's husband as bowing down as to a god...
It is more an indication of gentleness and a quiet spirit...
I will tell you that it takes greater strength to submit, when it is difficult than it does to struggle and fight against your spouse. It damages the relationship and works to diminish your husband. Even though it is difficult and goes against what the world teaches, even though it may seem unfair... I still believe as a godly wife, it should be done.
hunterjumper,
Perhaps you didn't get a chance to read back a bit. The original question was not about submitting to a husband. It was in the context of a spouse operating under a spirit, other than God's spirit.
Perhaps you need to re-read my posts and hunterjumper's posts. Submitting to your husband is the command. Period. If your husband is controlling, he is a jerk, not a spirit, and not a god. To say a man would have a "spirit of control" and then equate that to the "bow to other god's argument" is in my opinion, very weak, and is an obvious attempt to find fault with the command of God.
I ask again, are you trying to find an exception, i.e. a controlling jerk of a husband, or are you doubting the entire command?
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 1:53:57 PM
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floydette
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neuron,
I threw a question, a "what if" out there for discussion. Again, we find that there really isn't much room for discussion nor actually listening. I did not say that someone's husband was a "spirit" nor a "god". Apparently, you are not hearing what I am saying, or simply do not understand it. Personally, rather than ranting, I would prefer that you simply ask me what I mean. But then again, there is a chance that you don't care to hear what I am saying, or try to understand what I mean, because you are so intent on declaring your own understand of the "command". To say that I am trying to find fault with God's words, is laughable.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 2:36:56 PM
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Submission is not blind obedience. Submission is cooperation. I am submitting to my husband when I cooperate with him and don't have an adversarial attitude. I am submitting to my husband when my attitude and goal is to seek the very best for him and for our marriage. Sometimes that means I would not agree to something that will hurt him, hurt our marriage or allow him to continue in sin. As a helpmeet, I am to be a strong help to him. I would not be helping my husband live a godly life if I blindly obey whatever he commands. That is not wise. That is not healthy. That is not a help. And, that is not submission.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 2:44:34 PM
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No, I am saying someone operating under the influence of an evil spirit. Simply said, making a choice to be controlling. That is operating under the little voice in your head that says it is good to be good to be controlling.....
Well, an evil spirit is a demon, so I'm still not sure what you are talking about. 
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 2:52:41 PM
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One of the many definitions of "spirit":
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A person as characterized by a stated quality: He is a proud spirit.
* An inclination or tendency of a specified kind: Her actions show a generous spirit.
* A causative, activating, or essential principle: The couple's engagement was announced in a joyous spirit
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 3:08:00 PM
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neuron,
I threw a question, a "what if" out there for discussion. Again, we find that there really isn't much room for discussion nor actually listening. I did not say that someone's husband was a "spirit" nor a "god". Apparently, you are not hearing what I am saying, or simply do not understand it. Personally, rather than ranting, I would prefer that you simply ask me what I mean. But then again, there is a chance that you don't care to hear what I am saying, or try to understand what I mean, because you are so intent on declaring your own understand of the "command". To say that I am trying to find fault with God's words, is laughable.
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If the husband is operating under a spirit of control, should the wife be submitting to that? That would be bowing down to a spirit of control, vs the Spirit of God. Thoughts?
We gave you our thoughts. The thought is you connected a controlling nature of a husband to "bowing down to a spirit". You asked for thoughts. I guess you just didn't get thoughts you considered agreeable, so you called my thoughts ranting.
So that I am not accused of ranting again, please clarify your question. Or rather state your question more clearly and provide illustration as to the connection between the "bowing down to a spirit of control" vs "the Spirit of God". Is this a contrast or a comparison?
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 3:40:30 PM
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Perhaps you didn't get a chance to read back a bit. The original question was not about submitting to a husband. It was in the context of a spouse operating under a spirit, other than God's spirit.
I had read the previous posts and I understand what you are asking, but I don't agree... Now in the course of my 1st marriage, I lived with a man that was controlling and not living right.... submission was difficult and somedays I truly sought and asked God as to why I had to continue to submit to him. I wanted to stand up, I didn't want to continue to be hurt emotionally by him, but God always answered submit. Nothing he controlled forced me to go against the God's word, but he did not live up to the commands of his position in the marriage. It was one-sided. I can TRULY understand why someone would question this type of submission... I was not/am not mindless, but I strove to do what I felt God was leading me to do. I knew that God would take care of me as I tried to live in His will.
All I can say is that through my actions, even though my XH abandoned me and my girls, in the end, no one could say any bad thing about me concerning the demise of the marriage. Everyone knew that I had done all that I could, but he still chose the path that he chose.
Did it hurt?
YES.
Did I get angry sometimes and not want to?
YES!!!
Would I still submit to a husband, even after experiencing this?
YES!!
The experience made me stronger, gave me an understanding of how God was working in my life and gave me deep roots in my faith.
Do I want to go through this bad experience again? Of course not...
I trust God and His leading. He will be glorified by my life because I choose to do things His way.
Things may not always be easy... But God is always good.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/5/2005 7:59:28 PM
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If you are talking about a controlling attitude, I don't think you can contrast that with the Holy Spirit. When you use the term "spirit" in that context, it's almost as if you are talking about choosing who you are going to worship. But you aren't talking about choosing between spirits if you are talking about an attitude.
So if someone has an attitude, should you submit? I think so. The Bible instructs wives to submit to husbands that are unbelievers, and also instructs people to submit to their government authorities. The man who was Ceaser when that was written, from what I am told, wanted to put a horse in the Senate, so that's probably a strange attitude to submit to. 
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/6/2005 5:20:57 PM
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I am not necesarily trying to be contrary and i hope this doesn't come out sounding belittling. i wish i could could quote the Bible as well as some of yo can so help me out here.
All the verses i have read myself and seen quoted here have NEVER given a way out. when submitting to Christ there is NO way out. If wives are to submit to husbands as the church is submitted or is the word subjected to Christ. Where is the way out? Since it is the husband who will answer for it, and the wives answer for the submission or lack thereof. And since this is a one stop post if yu apply every verse literally, why does no one suggest that childless women can't be saved since that is what women are to be saved through. No one would suggest that women are saved from childbearing since i can testify to the fact that it still hurts.
saphaira submitted to ananias and was still punished. I didn't notice any leeway given her for her decision/submission. Likewise the bible is full of women who did not submit to simply bad advice (though not contrary God's law at the time) and didn't appear to be punished
peace and love ( i do love this type of discussion)
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/8/2005 8:25:36 PM
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No, I am saying someone operating under the influence of an evil spirit. Simply said, making a choice to be controlling. That is operating under the little voice in your head that says it is good to be good to be controlling.....
Well, an evil spirit is a demon, so I'm still not sure what you are talking about.
"Spirit" can also be defined as "attitude". I suspect that Floydette was referring to a controlling attitude rather than a demonic spirit.
Laura,
Actually I am talking about a spirit. When one listens to that voice in ones head that says to be controlling it is either 1) habit, and our upbringing, or it is an evil spirit, demon, the enemy influencing the choices that we make. If we choose to go with that spirit, versus the Holy Spirit telling us to be loving, for example, then we are choosing the words of the enemy, and his influence over the Holy Spirit and His influences. Does that help clarify it?
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/8/2005 8:30:52 PM
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neuron,
I threw a question, a "what if" out there for discussion. Again, we find that there really isn't much room for discussion nor actually listening. I did not say that someone's husband was a "spirit" nor a "god". Apparently, you are not hearing what I am saying, or simply do not understand it. Personally, rather than ranting, I would prefer that you simply ask me what I mean. But then again, there is a chance that you don't care to hear what I am saying, or try to understand what I mean, because you are so intent on declaring your own understand of the "command". To say that I am trying to find fault with God's words, is laughable.
You asked previously:
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If the husband is operating under a spirit of control, should the wife be submitting to that? That would be bowing down to a spirit of control, vs the Spirit of God. Thoughts?
We gave you our thoughts. The thought is you connected a controlling nature of a husband to "bowing down to a spirit". You asked for thoughts. I guess you just didn't get thoughts you considered agreeable, so you called my thoughts ranting.
So that I am not accused of ranting again, please clarify your question. Or rather state your question more clearly and provide illustration as to the connection between the "bowing down to a spirit of control" vs "the Spirit of God". Is this a contrast or a comparison?
Neuron,
What I would enjoy is actually give and take in a discussion. My frustration with the board, is often there is no room for that. What tends to happen is someone throws something our for discussion, and then everyone posts there thoughts. And, often those thoughts are considered, by those people as completely true, making the other person wrong, which leaves no where for the discussion to go, outside of the battle of who is right. That is not the kind of "discussion" that I wish to be apart of. That is what I felt like I was receiving from you. If that is an incorrect assumption, I certainly apologize. Perhaps you do want to talk about these things, and share thoughts and ideas. If that is the case, I will certainly be interested. However, if you are out to prove that your line of thinking is correct, and mine is incorrect, then I can back out of the thread, no problem, and let you all continue. I will be reading though, as this topic does interest me.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/8/2005 8:32:34 PM
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Perhaps you didn't get a chance to read back a bit. The original question was not about submitting to a husband. It was in the context of a spouse operating under a spirit, other than God's spirit.
I had read the previous posts and I understand what you are asking, but I don't agree... Now in the course of my 1st marriage, I lived with a man that was controlling and not living right.... submission was difficult and somedays I truly sought and asked God as to why I had to continue to submit to him. I wanted to stand up, I didn't want to continue to be hurt emotionally by him, but God always answered submit. Nothing he controlled forced me to go against the God's word, but he did not live up to the commands of his position in the marriage. It was one-sided. I can TRULY understand why someone would question this type of submission... I was not/am not mindless, but I strove to do what I felt God was leading me to do. I knew that God would take care of me as I tried to live in His will.
All I can say is that through my actions, even though my XH abandoned me and my girls, in the end, no one could say any bad thing about me concerning the demise of the marriage. Everyone knew that I had done all that I could, but he still chose the path that he chose.
Did it hurt?
YES.
Did I get angry sometimes and not want to?
YES!!!
Would I still submit to a husband, even after experiencing this?
YES!!
The experience made me stronger, gave me an understanding of how God was working in my life and gave me deep roots in my faith.
Do I want to go through this bad experience again? Of course not...
I trust God and His leading. He will be glorified by my life because I choose to do things His way.
Things may not always be easy... But God is always good.
Hunter,
I am so sorry that you had to go thru that painful process. What did God teach you thru all of that?
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/8/2005 11:13:23 PM
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Neuron,
What I would enjoy is actually give and take in a discussion. My frustration with the board, is often there is no room for that. What tends to happen is someone throws something our for discussion, and then everyone posts there thoughts. And, often those thoughts are considered, by those people as completely true, making the other person wrong, which leaves no where for the discussion to go, outside of the battle of who is right. That is not the kind of "discussion" that I wish to be apart of. That is what I felt like I was receiving from you. If that is an incorrect assumption, I certainly apologize. Perhaps you do want to talk about these things, and share thoughts and ideas. If that is the case, I will certainly be interested. However, if you are out to prove that your line of thinking is correct, and mine is incorrect, then I can back out of the thread, no problem, and let you all continue. I will be reading though, as this topic does interest me.
Well I certainly like lively debate and discussion. But I see no room for give and take when it violate my beliefs. I can accept that your beliefs are true to you and that you cannot accept mine for yourself. However, my beliefs are true to me, and I cannot accept yours my myself. So I don't mind the discussion and the debate. But just because a counter opinion is given, is no reason for me to compromise my beliefs. I think perhaps I might duck out of this thread as there seems to be no point in my continuance.
I think it ironic that you should say that it is a problem that people just want to express opinions, when on many other threads, people complain that is all they want to do. They do not seek give and take. They just want a chance to express their opinion. And in other threads, it is a knock-down drag out battle of wills. I suppose there is no way to tell what kind of thread one will become.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2005 4:06:46 AM
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wow! I am getting all kinds of education here.....maybe we are too simple in my house. Me and my wife are best friends and in this, we simply take care of each other. Being considerate and serving each other in a straightforward manner has really done us well....
I am probably missing a lot here.....haven't had time to fully read everything that is going on.......
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2005 8:36:26 AM
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Hunter,
I am so sorry that you had to go thru that painful process. What did God teach you thru all of that?
I learned that God would bless me, strengthen me and uphold me - because I strove to show love in the difficult times - the times when love wasn't easy, but extremely painful. He showed me what unconditional love looked like and felt like. This gave me a better understanding of how much He loves us and how He shows it everyday.
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3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 "Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5 "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. 6 "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. 7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy. 8 "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. 9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. 10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 "Blessed are you when people revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely F31 on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
I learned how I would be blessed by doing things oppositely of how the world thought I should. I couldn't see it as I went through the hard times, but I am seeing the blessings now. I experienced all the bad things in these beatitudes, tried to live out the good, and I am watching God fulfill His promises to me - in ways that cannot be explained other than that these things are coming from God, they cannot be explained any other way. GOD IS GOOD.
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13 For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for self-indulgence, F38 but through love become slaves to one another. 14 For the whole law is summed up in a single commandment, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 15 If, however, you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. 16 Live by the Spirit, I say, and do not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For what the flesh desires is opposed to the Spirit, and what the Spirit desires is opposed to the flesh; for these are opposed to each other, to prevent you from doing what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not subject to the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, 21 envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these. I am warning you, as I warned you before: those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 By contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things.
I watched a man live for self and demonstrate the fleshly fruits - daily. I watched God deal with him - convict him. He was miserable to the point of physical illness... I watched him harden his heart and turn his back on God. It was like I watched him die... As his heart hardened, he blamed me for his suffering and "life of misery". It was " all my fault" that he was unhappy - he was going to find happiness with someone else. I learned how destructive living outside of God's will and relationship could be - saw how the person died from the inside as their heart hardened towards God.
I learned that an individual would be known by the fruits of their life.
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1 Wives, in the same way, accept the authority of your husbands, so that, even if some of them do not obey the word, they may be won over without a word by their wives' conduct, 2 when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3 Do not adorn yourselves outwardly by braiding your hair, and by wearing gold ornaments or fine clothing; 4 rather, let your adornment be the inner self with the lasting beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in God's sight. 5 It was in this way long ago that the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves by accepting the authority of their husbands. 6 Thus Sarah obeyed Abraham and called him lord. You have become her daughters as long as you do what is good and never let fears alarm you. 7 Husbands, in the same way, show consideration for your wives in your life together, paying honor to the woman as the weaker sex, since they too are also heirs of the gracious gift of life—so that nothing may hinder your prayers.
I learned that all the fighting and arguing in the world wouldn't bring my XH to Christ. He was "saved" supposedly. but if I look at the fruit of his life - I cannot see it, (but that is neither here nor there - I give that to God). God showed me that the only way my XH is going to be won over to Christ, it will be by my example in how I live my life - he will not listen to my words. He is no longer my husband, God has shut that door and opened another for me, but that is OK. My XH still needs Christ - and I treat him like everyday is a witness, because it is.
I have learned that submission is still the right thing to do, but now I see that my DFH is going to do his part of the relationship - be the servant leader and love me as Christ loved the church. I am learning to live in a relationship that is Christ-centered, balanced and blessed. I will still include phrases about submission and obedience to my husband in my vows (Gasp!!!!   ). I know that it is right for me and that God will bless the relationship. I KNOW that He does, because He is the one putting it together - it is nothing I could orchestrate myself, believe me - it is too unbelievable.
I am still learning so much - about God, about love, about marriage, about trials and pain. I live through these things daily, but most of all I learn how God loves me - imperfect and weak as I am - He loves me still.
I wish I could put this into better words. I have learned so much - I am still learning... If you or anyone else would like to ask me more about it - please do. This is how God is working in my life - it is a part of my testimony... I cannot claim anything that happens as coming from me - it comes from God and I will glorify Him through it all.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2005 10:45:50 AM
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Neuron,
What I would enjoy is actually give and take in a discussion. My frustration with the board, is often there is no room for that. What tends to happen is someone throws something our for discussion, and then everyone posts there thoughts. And, often those thoughts are considered, by those people as completely true, making the other person wrong, which leaves no where for the discussion to go, outside of the battle of who is right. That is not the kind of "discussion" that I wish to be apart of. That is what I felt like I was receiving from you. If that is an incorrect assumption, I certainly apologize. Perhaps you do want to talk about these things, and share thoughts and ideas. If that is the case, I will certainly be interested. However, if you are out to prove that your line of thinking is correct, and mine is incorrect, then I can back out of the thread, no problem, and let you all continue. I will be reading though, as this topic does interest me.
Well I certainly like lively debate and discussion. But I see no room for give and take when it violate my beliefs. I can accept that your beliefs are true to you and that you cannot accept mine for yourself. However, my beliefs are true to me, and I cannot accept yours my myself. So I don't mind the discussion and the debate. But just because a counter opinion is given, is no reason for me to compromise my beliefs. I think perhaps I might duck out of this thread as there seems to be no point in my continuance.
I think it ironic that you should say that it is a problem that people just want to express opinions, when on many other threads, people complain that is all they want to do. They do not seek give and take. They just want a chance to express their opinion. And in other threads, it is a knock-down drag out battle of wills. I suppose there is no way to tell what kind of thread one will become.
Perhaps I need to rephrase my post. I don't mind when people express their opinion. But, opinions are simply that, opinions. They are not necessarily truth, as I am sure you realize. To have discussion, is to for you to share what you want to share. I then match it up with my belief system. This is where we usually get into a bind. If your beliefs don't match up with mine, then I have a choice to make. I can either tell you that you are wrong, and list all the reasons why, or I can step back from my beliefs and take a fresh look at them, deciding why I really believe what I believe. That is what often does not happen. In that, I find frustrating discussion. Because it isn't discussion. No one is asking you to "compromise" your beliefs. What I expect when people come to a discussion board, is that they take a look at what they believe, and why they believe it. When we look at that, if no longer becomes the religion of our parents, or our church, but our own relationship with Christ. When we know, that we know, not because a pastor said so, or a friend told me, but we know Truth first hand, straight from Jesus.
If we will not look at what we believe, and why we believe it, we often get stuck. And sometimes we get stuck in deception.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2005 10:46:51 AM
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floydette
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wow! I am getting all kinds of education here.....maybe we are too simple in my house. Me and my wife are best friends and in this, we simply take care of each other. Being considerate and serving each other in a straightforward manner has really done us well....
I am probably missing a lot here.....haven't had time to fully read everything that is going on.......
Nah, I don't think you are missing anything. I think you get it really well. 
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2005 10:51:13 AM
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floydette
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I watched a man live for self and demonstrate the fleshly fruits - daily. I watched God deal with him - convict him. He was miserable to the point of physical illness... I watched him harden his heart and turn his back on God. It was like I watched him die... As his heart hardened, he blamed me for his suffering and "life of misery". It was " all my fault" that he was unhappy - he was going to find happiness with someone else. I learned how destructive living outside of God's will and relationship could be - saw how the person died from the inside as their heart hardened towards God.
I learned that an individual would be known by the fruits of their life.
That must have been very hard to watch.
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I am still learning so much - about God, about love, about marriage, about trials and pain. I live through these things daily, but most of all I learn how God loves me - imperfect and weak as I am - He loves me still.
I wish I could put this into better words. I have learned so much - I am still learning... If you or anyone else would like to ask me more about it - please do. This is how God is working in my life - it is a part of my testimony... I cannot claim anything that happens as coming from me - it comes from God and I will glorify Him through it all.
No matter how far you've journeyed, there is so much more ahead. Wouldn't you agree?
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2005 11:11:21 AM
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benvolio
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I think we need to petition God for an instruction book......wait...we have one..the Bible! That is where I originally messed up. I looked around the world for examples and nothing I saw was that appealing once I looked under the surface....I could have saved so much time if I had just opened the Bible....I finally got a bit of sense though and things are so much better.
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