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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2005 7:23:21 PM
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Consecrated2God
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Floydette, going back to the question of controlling spirits, I personally don't believe in a Spirit of Control. I believe there are demonic spirits that can possess people, but I don't believe they have sins for names. I've heard people talking about people having the Spirit of Alcoholism or the Spirit of Lust, and I don't think those people are demonically controlled, they just have a stronghold of sin in their lives.
So, I guess my answer is that I don't think there is such a thing as a person controlled by a demon called "Control", so I don't think anyone is going to have to worry about submitting to such a person.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2005 7:39:57 PM
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No matter how far you've journeyed, there is so much more ahead. Wouldn't you agree?
Yes I do, when the road ends... I am dead... 
The things I write about - I know that I know, because they have been revealed to me as I walk step by step with God. These things may not be what God has planned for others, but we need to make sure that we are always walking with God and in a right relationship with Him. These things are also being revealed in my DFH's life, as a confirmation to both of us... It is a miracle, this thing that God is doing for us.
I know that as God reveals more things to Neuron and myself, that God will continue His good work in this. He has taken us, molded us and shaped us through painful times, but in shaping us, makes our hearts and lives to fit together. Others may not agree with what we say, but we KNOW that we know that this is from God, coming out of our relationship with Him.
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Oh, I understand. You guys are an item. I didn't know. Now I can see more clearly! 
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2005 7:42:30 PM
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floydette
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Floydette, going back to the question of controlling spirits, I personally don't believe in a Spirit of Control. I believe there are demonic spirits that can possess people, but I don't believe they have sins for names. I've heard people talking about people having the Spirit of Alcoholism or the Spirit of Lust, and I don't think those people are demonically controlled, they just have a stronghold of sin in their lives.
So, I guess my answer is that I don't think there is such a thing as a person controlled by a demon called "Control", so I don't think anyone is going to have to worry about submitting to such a person.
That is fine. I understand folks have different stances on this. However, that person would still be influenced by a demon, even if the demon has no name. Do I understand you correctly?
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/10/2005 7:29:40 AM
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Shoeld a woman submit to a husband who is a demoniac?
Hmm, sounds like a new thread. I don't really know.
Another clarification. I wasn't talking about a demoniac. I was talking about someone under the influence of a demon. That can be as simply as the enemy talking in your ear and you listening. That opens it up alot, because at some point in time, we have all listened to a demon.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/10/2005 6:09:09 PM
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floydette
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Shoeld a woman submit to a husband who is a demoniac?
Hmm, sounds like a new thread. I don't really know.
Another clarification. I wasn't talking about a demoniac. I was talking about someone under the influence of a demon. That can be as simply as the enemy talking in your ear and you listening. That opens it up alot, because at some point in time, we have all listened to a demon.
That's really splitting hairs. How is a wife going to be able to say, "I think a demon whispered that idea into your ear, so therefore I'm not going to submit to that?" God did command women to submit even to their unbelieving husbands. I'd say it's a lot safer to decide whether or not to submit based on what the Bible says (e.g. don't submit to sin) than to try and decide whether or not the husband was demonically inspired.
Perhaps. But the question still came up. You don't have to continue. I know my schedule is not going to allow me much time on the thread anyway. Have a good evening.....
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/10/2005 10:23:17 PM
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Shoeld a woman submit to a husband who is a demoniac?
Hmm, sounds like a new thread. I don't really know.
Another clarification. I wasn't talking about a demoniac. I was talking about someone under the influence of a demon. That can be as simply as the enemy talking in your ear and you listening. That opens it up alot, because at some point in time, we have all listened to a demon.
That's really splitting hairs. How is a wife going to be able to say, "I think a demon whispered that idea into your ear, so therefore I'm not going to submit to that?" God did command women to submit even to their unbelieving husbands. I'd say it's a lot safer to decide whether or not to submit based on what the Bible says (e.g. don't submit to sin) than to try and decide whether or not the husband was demonically inspired. exactly!!!!!
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2005 2:43:38 PM
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I know alot of married couples where the husband thinks that their wife should be barefoot and preggers all the time,but I highly disagree with them because the womans role plays an important part of the house hold they have a never ending job in the house their role is a 24/7 job as our wife!Just two bits on this!
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2005 8:41:30 PM
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I know alot of married couples where the husband thinks that their wife should be barefoot and preggers all the time,but I highly disagree with them because the womans role plays an important part of the house hold they have a never ending job in the house their role is a 24/7 job as our wife!Just two bits on this!
I love being barefoot and pregnant.....and THAT plus my husband is why my job is 24/7!
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 9:57:26 AM
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From the It takes more than just a woman thread which was closed and referred here:
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Is it acceptable in your opinion for the husband to do yardwork? I ask that sincerely.
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From what I've personally observed, it is a serious pride and selfishness issue for men who refuse to do housework or "let" their wives work outside the home when the kids are in school all day
I'm curious what about this example indicates pride and selfishness. Maybe it describes a not-so-desirable mate, but pride and selfishness? If this example is a display of pride and selfishness, then wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that a wife who insists on working outside the home when income is not an issue is also a display of pride and selfishness? If not, why not? If it doesn't matter who works and who keeps house, that who ever is better at it should do it, then why even discuss roles. In some families, the wife is better at earning income and keeping house, and in others the husband is better at both. Should we then say that since the better spouse is better at both, the other should assume no roles at all?
Often, this discussion isn't about what are the roles of husband/wife, but about whether there even any inherent roles at all.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 10:26:12 AM
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......Often, this discussion isn't about what are the roles of husband/wife, but about whether there even any inherent roles at all.
Scripture quite clearly defines gender-specific roles and responsibilities. My Bible also says “ it is better to obey than to sacrifice.” This also pertains to God’s will within the true Christian’s home for husbands and wives.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 11:06:29 AM
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From what I've personally observed, it is a serious pride and selfishness issue for men who refuse to do housework or "let" their wives work outside the home when the kids are in school all day
That may be true of some men, but you must allow for men who operate their homes that way because they really do believe that's the way homes should operate. If their motivation is to follow God and what they believe His plan is, then there may not be pride and selfishness at the root at all. It's impossible to judge what someone else's motives may be.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 11:13:15 AM
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Well in my Bible Jesus bows down to wash the feet of his disciples which was the lowest of the low task in the household. If Jesus could do this even though he was the leader my husband can wash dishes!
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 11:21:41 AM
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Consecrated2God
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The husband who doesn't do housework may believe that bringing in an income, protecting his household, and rubbing his wife's shoulders when she is done scrubbing the floor is being a servant. It's hard to know the motivations of another.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 11:23:51 AM
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Well if a wife tells a husband she needs help with something and asks for it he should help her. Not sit around and say hes the man and he shouldnt have to do housework. Or its not his 'role'
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 11:27:31 AM
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Most families I know that operate like that, the wife wouldn't presume to ask, or if she really did need his help (like heavy lifting) he would help her because she is the weaker vessel. But it would only happen if she really needed his help. If she was capable, she would do it herself and not ask for his help, and he wouldn't offer.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 11:31:13 AM
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Well I am a stay home mom of a 4 year old and an 8 month old. I am TIRED. If I cook dinner I expect him to do dishes. I expect him to help me fold clothes and put them away and I expect him to help me pick up the daily chaos (mess) every evening. I am just as tired and worn out as he is working at his job so I think its only fair.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 11:43:28 AM
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Well I am a stay home mom of a 4 year old and an 8 month old. I am TIRED. If I cook dinner I expect him to do dishes. I expect him to help me fold clothes and put them away and I expect him to help me pick up the daily chaos (mess) every evening. I am just as tired and worn out as he is working at his job so I think its only fair.
LOL I can understand that thinking myself! It would be nice if being a mom had a time clock you could punch out of at times! I'm not saying everyday, or that I don't enjoy being a mom so please don't take it that way!
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 11:46:23 AM
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Scripture quite clearly defines gender-specific roles and responsibilities. My Bible also says “ it is better to obey than to sacrifice.” This also pertains to God’s will within the true Christian’s home for husbands and wives.
I would aregue that Scripture draws broad outlines of gender specific roles, but it doesn't "clearly define" them. For example, Scripture says a man is to provide for his family. Ok, fine. Does that mean he is to be the sole provider of income? Or does it mean he must provide at least 51% of the income? Or can a man provide for his family by creating a situation in which his wife can use her more marketable skills to bring in more income than would otherwise be possible. Scripture doesn't specify how the roles are to be fulfilled, except in the broadest of terms.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 11:52:28 AM
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Consecrated2God
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Well I am a stay home mom of a 4 year old and an 8 month old. I am TIRED. If I cook dinner I expect him to do dishes. I expect him to help me fold clothes and put them away and I expect him to help me pick up the daily chaos (mess) every evening. I am just as tired and worn out as he is working at his job so I think its only fair.
To be fair, though, he's tired too.
My husband and I both work part time, and my husband and I share a lot of responsibilities. When I come home from work he usually has supper ready for us. Sometimes he wants me to help him, and I want to sit down for awhile! I've been standing all day and I just got home, and the last thing I want to do is help him cook. So I can see the side of the husband, too, since I'm on the other side a lot these days.
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RE: Women's role in the Home - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2005 12:41:18 PM
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Jadzia28
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Well I am a stay home mom of a 4 year old and an 8 month old. I am TIRED. If I cook dinner I expect him to do dishes. I expect him to help me fold clothes and put them away and I expect him to help me pick up the daily chaos (mess) every evening. I am just as tired and worn out as he is working at his job so I think its only fair.
To be fair, though, he's tired too.
My husband and I both work part time, and my husband and I share a lot of responsibilities. When I come home from work he usually has supper ready for us. Sometimes he wants me to help him, and I want to sit down for awhile! I've been standing all day and I just got home, and the last thing I want to do is help him cook. So I can see the side of the husband, too, since I'm on the other side a lot these days.
I know he is tired too but if we are both equally tired shouldnt we then split the household stuff that needs to get done?
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