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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 3:29:20 PM
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ekserekseez
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Chill out! I don't FORCE homeless people to take my money. I toss it on the ground, and they can take it or leave it. I must admit, I have never once seen one leave it though.
As for catching anything, Sis caught scabies from a filthy homeless person. I'm not saying that all homeless have scabies, or are even infectious. Just stating a fact.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 3:31:31 PM
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I usually pull out a five or ten dollar bill and toss on the ground. While they pick it up, I have time to make a handshake-free, hug-free getaway and thus avoid scabies, which my sister got from hugging a homeless child. I figure ten bucks is enough that they won't be offended by my rudeness. Or at least enough for them to buy a bottle of cheap vodka so they can forget my rudeness.
Wow, this is pathetic. For the love of all that's holy, do the homeless a favor and keep your money. 
Having worked in pastoral care for a long time, I am faced with the homeless often. Helping them is more than handing them food, clothing or money...a touch goes a long way in ministering to heart of someone who is often an untouchable. It speaks volumes about how much you care...anyone can throw down money and continue to reinforce the homeless person's belief that they are a nothing.
Jesus is our model...when did he ever shy away from touching the untouchables? If you can't bring yourself to touch them, be kind and just move on...they don't need your money that badly.
Oh and btw, in all my years of touching these people, I've never caught a thing.
Good point Kat. Some of the responses I've read here tell me that, as Christians, many folks need to get over themselves. There are some things/people in life that will shake our comfort zones. Seems to me that Christ wants us to put our own self interests aside once in a while.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 3:36:14 PM
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I guess my "comfort zone" ends at infectious illness. I don't understand how giving ten bucks to a homeless guy reinforces his belief that he is nothing. Maybe it's arrogance on society's part to presume to know what he believes about himself? Maybe he thinks that he's fantastic, not nothing. Maybe he just wants some fast cash.
I don't pretend to be able to read other peoples' thoughts, motivations, or psyches. If a guy is begging for cash, I usually give it to him because I have it.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 3:52:45 PM
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Not shaking their hand that is....out of fear of germs or disease, etc. .... Think about this ~ not all dirt and germs can be seen. How do you know that the person at church washed their hands after using the bathroom right before they hugged you, shook your hand, touched your child's face etc?
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Chill out! I don't FORCE homeless people to take my money. I toss it on the ground, and they can take it or leave it. I must admit, I have never once seen one leave it though. I agree that you should keep your money ~ your behaviour towards another human being is appalling.
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I don't understand how giving ten bucks to a homeless guy reinforces his belief that he is nothing. It's not the giving the money that is reinforcing his belief that he is nothing, it is the way you give him the money that does this. If you don't want to shake his hand, tell him politely there is no need to thank you, you are simply doing what you believe is right because you are a Christian.
And I also agree with Manda that it is far better to give some food and drink (non-alcoholic) than money to a homeless person.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 3:59:06 PM
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I don't FORCE homeless people to take my money. I toss it on the ground, and they can take it or leave it.
You throw things to dogs not people.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 3:59:38 PM
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You are mistaken on a number of counts. I DON'T shake hands with people at all, unless I know then well or am acquainted enough with their probable lifestyle that I am fairly certain they've washed their hands since using the lavatory. Otherwise, at a reception line at a wedding for example, I IMMEDIATELY wash my hands after doing the shake-and-howdy.
As for reinforcing a homeless person's belief that they're worthless, how do you know that they think they are? And as for eating rather than drinking vodka, that's what it means to be a sovereign adult. The right to make your own decisions, even if others think that they're "bad for you."
The next homeless person I see, I'm gonna ask if they'd rather have a hug or ten bucks. If they take the hug, I'm going home after, taking a hot shower, and burning the clothes.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 4:16:30 PM
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Dear Kat D:
No, you are wrong. Sis did not already have scabies. Maybe you're wrong, and you did catch something and didn't know it. Happens all the time, my internist tells me, especially among health care workers.
Maybe I'm paranoid. I'm also never sick.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 5:12:27 PM
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The next homeless person I see, I'm gonna ask if they'd rather have a hug or ten bucks. If they take the hug, I'm going home after, taking a hot shower, and burning the clothes.
Yep, get over yourself. Everything you've said comes back to how it's going to affect you. Maybe you are a little paranoid. In some ways, I'm surprized your never sick with all the sanitizing you must do. Germs are are good for us in that they help build our immune system.
I very rarely get sick. And, I come into contact with countless people from all sorts of backgrounds everyday. I'm a cop. I have to enter the homes of some people that may as well be classified as landfills. I don't always get to wash my hands right after contact. PLus, I bring my uniform home where all the germs can be spread to my own kids.
While you're worried about yourself and the diseases you might catch, there are others of us who are doing the one another's of scripture regardless of the risk.
Just food for thought.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 5:17:16 PM
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Thanks for the food for thought. Good luck with that!
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 5:28:53 PM
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Thanks for the food for thought. Good luck with that!
Would it help if I said I washed my hands before I prepared it? 
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 5:30:33 PM
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It probably wouldn't make a difference; I'm sort of picky about what I eat anyway. That's why I hired a cook from a bonded agency, and why I don't eat in chain restaurants.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 5:31:48 PM
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It probably wouldn't make a difference; I'm sort of picky about what I eat anyway. That's why I hired a cook from a bonded agency, and why I don't eat in chain restaurants.
Man, you must be the life of the party.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 5:33:07 PM
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I generally am. I have a large and interesting circle of friends, and we entertain each other lavishly and with considerable wit and humor.
And we all wash regularly, too.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 6:23:45 PM
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Oooookay!
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 8:18:55 PM
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Sis caught scabies from a filthy homeless person. How do you know? Your sister could have caught scabies from anyone that she came in close contact with.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 8:21:45 PM
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I can't believe that you all are believing ekserekseez. He's yanking your chain and you let him.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 8:40:45 PM
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I'm no Yank. I'm Canadian.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 9:05:05 PM
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Manda, you've seriously offended Maggie with that comment!
Yep! You've got THAT one right!
(Though we should have mercy, Stovie and Manda, because no one can't help where they were born. )
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 9:32:37 PM
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We share the same queen, do we not? (I think we're getting off topic.) I wonder what kind of contact or interaction the queen has ever had with the homeless.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 10:05:30 PM
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Not sure, but I do know that something that Diana did was take her children to shelters and such from a young age so they would better understand the way many people life.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 10:28:54 PM
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I remember that! She had a personal mission for the homeless, didn't she?
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