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Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 3:37:40 PM
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Thessa
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Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) said on NBC’s “Today” show: “Our tax plan would take that tax cut of another $130 billion that John [McCain] wants to give to people making over $250,000 next year, not let it go forward and give it to the middle class — the very people who desperately need it to stay in their homes, to buy food, to take care of the gas, to fill up their tank, to be able to go out and buy a toaster, to employ people.”
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 4:17:19 PM
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Wow! Just when I was beginning to worry how I was going to afford that $12 for a new toaster. Where do I get in line?
Wait a minute, let me re-read that...
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to be able to go out and buy a toaster, to employ people.”
Is he saying I have to buy a toaster in order to employ people???? I can't have employees if I can't give them toast? Is that a new law?
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 4:48:24 PM
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Wow! Just when I was beginning to worry how I was going to afford that $12 for a new toaster. Where do I get in line?
Wait a minute, let me re-read that...
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to be able to go out and buy a toaster, to employ people.”
Is he saying I have to buy a toaster in order to employ people???? I can't have employees if I can't give them toast? Is that a new law?
LOL!!!!!
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 5:02:22 PM
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Wow! Just when I was beginning to worry how I was going to afford that $12 for a new toaster. Where do I get in line?
Wait a minute, let me re-read that...
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to be able to go out and buy a toaster, to employ people.”
Is he saying I have to buy a toaster in order to employ people???? I can't have employees if I can't give them toast? Is that a new law?
I'm sure you understand how the economy works. If McMaverick is to win, he needs to be able to explain how keeping the tax cuts for the upper income folks stimulates more purchasing (including toasters) than the Obummer plan that relies on taxing the upper income people. The GOP plan counts on the trickle down effect getting consumers to produce more tax revenue and create private sector jobs. McMaverick has to do more, IMO than just have a witty retort (or have Barracuda do the same).
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 6:00:50 PM
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Wow! Just when I was beginning to worry how I was going to afford that $12 for a new toaster. Where do I get in line?
Wait a minute, let me re-read that...
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to be able to go out and buy a toaster, to employ people.”
Is he saying I have to buy a toaster in order to employ people???? I can't have employees if I can't give them toast? Is that a new law?
I'm sure you understand how the economy works. If McMaverick is to win, he needs to be able to explain how keeping the tax cuts for the upper income folks stimulates more purchasing (including toasters) than the Obummer plan that relies on taxing the upper income people. The GOP plan counts on the trickle down effect getting consumers to produce more tax revenue and create private sector jobs. McMaverick has to do more, IMO than just have a witty retort (or have Barracuda do the same).
Why does he need to explain it, it has already worked under Reagan and Lyndon Johnson when he implemented Kennedy's plan.
Also , how about define "upper", because to a democrat, upper usually means over 50k/year.
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 6:02:03 PM
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I'm sure you understand how the economy works. If McMaverick is to win, he needs to be able to explain how keeping the tax cuts for the upper income folks stimulates more purchasing (including toasters) than the Obummer plan that relies on taxing the upper income people. The GOP plan counts on the trickle down effect getting consumers to produce more tax revenue and create private sector jobs. McMaverick has to do more, IMO than just have a witty retort (or have Barracuda do the same).
Well I wish Obama would make up his mind. First he wants to raise taxes on the rich, then he says if the economy is still in a recession (which technically it's never been in recent years) he won't raise taxes.
Biden is out there stumping that McCain's policies are the same old Bush Failed Policies and that they need to tax the rich but Obama is now saying he won't. They can't even unite their ticket, how do they expect to unite a party or a country?
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 6:11:13 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080916/pl_politico/13496
Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) said on NBC’s “Today” show: “Our tax plan would take that tax cut of another $130 billion that John [McCain] wants to give to people making over $250,000 next year, not let it go forward and give it to the middle class — the very people who desperately need it to stay in their homes, to buy food, to take care of the gas, to fill up their tank, to be able to go out and buy a toaster, to employ people.”
I don't see the problem with keeping the taxes where they are now. ALL TAXPAYERS got taxcuts under Bush.....Biden is just doing the old Democrat game of "Class Warfare"....he knows that their "base" LOVES it when they talk as if they are going to "stick it" to those greedy, evil rich people....(though, even AFTER everyone got tax cuts, the rich STILL pay the vast majority of taxes paid).....is there anywhere in his speech that he explains that?
it's the marxist idea that the "rich have too much"....and, thus, we must "redistribute" the wealth VIA the tax code.....which is NOT what the tax system was created for....
Most of the middle class pay VERY little to NO taxes at all as it is....I know that I pay $0 in taxes (dropped considerably after Bush's tax cuts).....and I earn a pretty darn good, "middle class" income.....
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 6:43:12 PM
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Wow! Just when I was beginning to worry how I was going to afford that $12 for a new toaster. Where do I get in line?
Wait a minute, let me re-read that...
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to be able to go out and buy a toaster, to employ people.”
Is he saying I have to buy a toaster in order to employ people???? I can't have employees if I can't give them toast? Is that a new law?
I'm sure you understand how the economy works. If McMaverick is to win, he needs to be able to explain how keeping the tax cuts for the upper income folks stimulates more purchasing (including toasters) than the Obummer plan that relies on taxing the upper income people. The GOP plan counts on the trickle down effect getting consumers to produce more tax revenue and create private sector jobs. McMaverick has to do more, IMO than just have a witty retort (or have Barracuda do the same).
Why does he need to explain it, it has already worked under Reagan and Lyndon Johnson when he implemented Kennedy's plan.
Also , how about define "upper", because to a democrat, upper usually means over 50k/year.
Voters under the age of 50 likely don't remember LBJ and those under 35 don't remember St. Ronald. I hope McMaverick isn't writing off the younger voters.
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 7:21:19 PM
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Voters under the age of 50 likely don't remember LBJ and those under 35 don't remember St. Ronald. I hope McMaverick isn't writing off the younger voters.
You mean like Obama is writing off the older voters?
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 9:14:54 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080916/pl_politico/13496
Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) said on NBC’s “Today” show: “Our tax plan would take that tax cut of another $130 billion that John [McCain] wants to give to people making over $250,000 next year, not let it go forward and give it to the middle class — the very people who desperately need it to stay in their homes, to buy food, to take care of the gas, to fill up their tank, to be able to go out and buy a toaster, to employ people.”
I don't see the problem with keeping the taxes where they are now. ALL TAXPAYERS got taxcuts under Bush.....Biden is just doing the old Democrat game of "Class Warfare"....he knows that their "base" LOVES it when they talk as if they are going to "stick it" to those greedy, evil rich people....(though, even AFTER everyone got tax cuts, the rich STILL pay the vast majority of taxes paid).....is there anywhere in his speech that he explains that?
it's the marxist idea that the "rich have too much"....and, thus, we must "redistribute" the wealth VIA the tax code.....which is NOT what the tax system was created for....
Most of the middle class pay VERY little to NO taxes at all as it is....I know that I pay $0 in taxes (dropped considerably after Bush's tax cuts).....and I earn a pretty darn good, "middle class" income.....
i'm a little confused...if the wealthy get a tax break it's good policy but if lower wage earners get a tax break it's redistribution of wealth?????...i got lost here...and if you're middle class earning pretty darn good and pay $0 in taxes then i want your job...really i am asking here because this confused me
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 10:09:58 PM
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Why does he need to explain it, it has already worked under Reagan and Lyndon Johnson when he implemented Kennedy's plan.
Because you can't keep cutting taxes and expect it to keep growing the economy. The graph looks like a curve, not a straight line - if you tax too little, you won't take in any money; if you tax too much, nobody will have any incentive to earn money; somewhere in the middle is best. When LBJ took office, the top tax rate was 91%. When Reagan took office, it was 70%. Now, it's 35%, and with the people in that bracket (particularly on the upper end) making a larger percentage of their wealth through capital gains, the effective rate is actually less.
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 10:15:39 PM
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Most of the middle class pay VERY little to NO taxes at all as it is....I know that I pay $0 in taxes (dropped considerably after Bush's tax cuts).....and I earn a pretty darn good, "middle class" income.....
How on earth do you pay $0 in taxes? Because I want your accountant. I know what you do; I can guess at how much you get paid and my wife and I combined probably make about what you do (within 20%) and there's no way we come close to paying $0 income tax.
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 10:47:03 PM
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I liked Dubya's check better. We all got new tv's and computers at wal-mart. Obama only wants to give us the money to buy toasters? :X
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 10:59:23 PM
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I thought this thread was going to be about Battlestar Galactica.
I am disappointed.
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/16/2008 11:11:09 PM
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Most of the middle class pay VERY little to NO taxes at all as it is....I know that I pay $0 in taxes (dropped considerably after Bush's tax cuts).....and I earn a pretty darn good, "middle class" income.....
How on earth do you pay $0 in taxes? Because I want your accountant. I know what you do; I can guess at how much you get paid and my wife and I combined probably make about what you do (within 20%) and there's no way we come close to paying $0 income tax.
... no kidding...
You do realize, don't you kerns, that taxes are taken out of your paycheck every single time you get paid? So if you end up paying $0, or getting quite a bit back like we did (we didn't do enough adjusting for our first child and me going part time work-wise), that you're just getting back YOUR OWN money? Or you just paid enough the first round?
In fact, this year, Tax Freedom Day was July 11, 2007. That was the day the average American finally worked long enough for enough salary to pay off their annual taxes (fortunately actual garnishment of taxes are spread out over the year, or people would be pretty hungry by then.)
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/17/2008 6:55:54 AM
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In fact, this year, Tax Freedom Day was July 11, 2007. That was the day the average American finally worked long enough for enough salary to pay off their annual taxes (fortunately actual garnishment of taxes are spread out over the year, or people would be pretty hungry by then.)
July 11??? That's over half the year. Wikipedia has it as Apr 23, 2008 for the average and the latest state-specific date as May 3 for Connecticut.
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/17/2008 8:53:58 AM
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I liked Dubya's check better. We all got new tv's and computers at wal-mart. Obama only wants to give us the money to buy toasters? :X
It's not "Dubya's check", it's your own money given back to you.
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/17/2008 9:07:47 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080916/pl_politico/13496
Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) said on NBC’s “Today” show: “Our tax plan would take that tax cut of another $130 billion that John [McCain] wants to give to people making over $250,000 next year, not let it go forward and give it to the middle class — the very people who desperately need it to stay in their homes, to buy food, to take care of the gas, to fill up their tank, to be able to go out and buy a toaster, to employ people.”
I don't see the problem with keeping the taxes where they are now. ALL TAXPAYERS got taxcuts under Bush.....Biden is just doing the old Democrat game of "Class Warfare"....he knows that their "base" LOVES it when they talk as if they are going to "stick it" to those greedy, evil rich people....(though, even AFTER everyone got tax cuts, the rich STILL pay the vast majority of taxes paid).....is there anywhere in his speech that he explains that?
it's the marxist idea that the "rich have too much"....and, thus, we must "redistribute" the wealth VIA the tax code.....which is NOT what the tax system was created for....
Most of the middle class pay VERY little to NO taxes at all as it is....I know that I pay $0 in taxes (dropped considerably after Bush's tax cuts).....and I earn a pretty darn good, "middle class" income.....
i'm a little confused...if the wealthy get a tax break it's good policy but if lower wage earners get a tax break it's redistribution of wealth?????...i got lost here...and if you're middle class earning pretty darn good and pay $0 in taxes then i want your job...really i am asking here because this confused me
No...what is "good policy" is lowering taxes FOR ALL.....but, the libs call that "a gift to the rich"....and, have been pounding away "tax breaks to the rich", ALL THE WHILE it was MORE than the rich who got tax breaks.
What is "redistribution of wealth" is the raising of taxes on the so-called "wealthy"....for the PURPOSE of "giving" it to the middle class....as Biden says — "GIVE it to the very people who desperately need it to stay in their homes, to buy food, to take care of the gas, to fill up their tank,......etc..etc...."
The true purpose of taxes is to fund defense, and the other government functions........NOT to steal from one group of people for the purpose of handing it over to another.
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/17/2008 9:10:26 AM
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Because you can't keep cutting taxes and expect it to keep growing the economy. The graph looks like a curve, not a straight line - if you tax too little, you won't take in any money;
time and time again...when taxes are lowered......the REVENUE from taxes goes UP, not down. It happened when JFK lowered taxes, when Reagan lowered taxes...and when George W. did, as well.
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/17/2008 9:11:59 AM
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Voters under the age of 50 likely don't remember LBJ and those under 35 don't remember St. Ronald. I hope McMaverick isn't writing off the younger voters.
You mean like Obama is writing off the older voters?
So, are you advocating McMaverick adopt a similar campaign strategy?
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/17/2008 9:35:44 AM
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Most of the middle class pay VERY little to NO taxes at all as it is....I know that I pay $0 in taxes (dropped considerably after Bush's tax cuts).....and I earn a pretty darn good, "middle class" income.....
How on earth do you pay $0 in taxes? Because I want your accountant. I know what you do; I can guess at how much you get paid and my wife and I combined probably make about what you do (within 20%) and there's no way we come close to paying $0 income tax.
-Dan.
With regards to MY taxes....there's a line (I forget what number it is) on the Tax Return Form....it says "YOUR TAX" (just before you write in the amount that you have already had "withheld"....).....I don't have those numbers here (they're at the house)...but, that number has gone down considerably.....
So, how do my taxes work? I have 'withheld' a minimal amount (something like $30 a pay check)....and, come tax time, for the past 6-7 years, I have simply gotten back what I have paid in....thus, a NET "tax bill" of 0...or close to 0. (before George W., my "tax burden" was typically a few hundred dollars)....
there's nothing magic about it.
look at the IRS statistical tables.....even for people in MY "income bracket".....we just don't pay very much, if anything, in taxes (there just happens to be ALOT of people in my "income bracket", so the "aggregate" income numbers ARE quite big)....which, is fine with me.....
but, the way Obama/Biden explains it....their "plan" makes no sense (except to point out that they'll raise taxes on those that already pay most of the taxes.....will "lower" taxes on those who pay very little to begin with....so, they can take from one and give to another).....
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/17/2008 9:37:40 AM
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Voters under the age of 50 likely don't remember LBJ and those under 35 don't remember St. Ronald. I hope McMaverick isn't writing off the younger voters.
You mean like Obama is writing off the older voters?
So, are you advocating McMaverick adopt a similar campaign strategy?
I know of many young people who can "see through" Obama's agenda....and, do not want to see America turn into the socialist/marxist nation that he envisions.
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/17/2008 9:47:55 AM
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kernsfamily: I am still confused about your tax situation. Are you saying that come April 15th when taxes are due you have 0 you have to pay and 0 coming back as a refund? That is different than paying 0 taxes. For example, say I paid $9,000 in federal tax for 2007. After calculating my taxes, I end up getting a refund check for $3,000, meaning I overpaid the taxes I owe by $3,000 for the year. If I would have paid $6,000 I would have gotten $0 back. Is this what your situation is?
The problem is that the people who make less than a certain amount per year actually ending up paying $0 in tax by the end of the year, because they get whatever federal taxes they paid back as a refund. So when the Dems come along and promise tax relief to the "poor", there isn't anything to "relieve".
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RE: Tax Cuts For Toasters...LOL! - 9/17/2008 10:04:19 AM
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Most of the middle class pay VERY little to NO taxes at all as it is....I know that I pay $0 in taxes (dropped considerably after Bush's tax cuts).....and I earn a pretty darn good, "middle class" income.....
How on earth do you pay $0 in taxes? Because I want your accountant. I know what you do; I can guess at how much you get paid and my wife and I combined probably make about what you do (within 20%) and there's no way we come close to paying $0 income tax.
-Dan.
With regards to MY taxes....there's a line (I forget what number it is) on the Tax Return Form....it says "YOUR TAX" (just before you write in the amount that you have already had "withheld"....).....I don't have those numbers here (they're at the house)...but, that number has gone down considerably.....
So, how do my taxes work? I have 'withheld' a minimal amount (something like $30 a pay check)....and, come tax time, for the past 6-7 years, I have simply gotten back what I have paid in....thus, a NET "tax bill" of 0...or close to 0. (before George W., my "tax burden" was typically a few hundred dollars)....
there's nothing magic about it.
look at the IRS statistical tables.....even for people in MY "income bracket".....we just don't pay very much, if anything, in taxes (there just happens to be ALOT of people in my "income bracket", so the "aggregate" income numbers ARE quite big)....which, is fine with me.....
but, the way Obama/Biden explains it....their "plan" makes no sense (except to point out that they'll raise taxes on those that already pay most of the taxes.....will "lower" taxes on those who pay very little to begin with....so, they can take from one and give to another).....
I understand that there's nothing "magic" about it, and I don't really want to pry into your financial information, but you're here stating that you pay so little in income tax and I can't figure how you do that. I'm looking at the 2006 IRS tables right now and the average rates of income tax paid on AGI range between 2.6% and 24.3%. The only ones who average "a few hundred dollars a year" make $15K or less. The average for the $100K-$200K bracket is $17,388 or 13.1%.
This is the chart I'm looking at.
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kernsfamily: I am still confused about your tax situation. Are you saying that come April 15th when taxes are due you have 0 you have to pay and 0 coming back as a refund?
He said that he gets back what he paid in - I interpreted that to mean that his refund is equal to what was withheld.
-Dan.
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