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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 4:24:27 PM
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TorchHeart
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This kind of brings up another interesting idea (at least I find it interesting):
Since we cannot get "revenge" upon God, how do we bring to God's attention that we disagree with what things He's allowing to have happen to us on Earth, or that we feel He's causing? I won't say that God causes bad things to happen, but I do feel that He allows things to happen that (at least to us) seem unfair and hurtful. I know I've been in that situation, and I'm sure many other people have, too.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 4:29:15 PM
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One would think prayer? Live by the Spirit and by faith and you will be called righteous because of His Son. And God listens to the prayers of the righteous.
As a point of interest, I have definitely seen a change in your heart since I noticed you posting here, I thank God for it.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 4:35:56 PM
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TorchHeart
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Well, I'm a bit more careful about what I post, too. I will admit, though, that there have been changes. But God and I still have some things that need working out.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 6:47:06 PM
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norak, Welcome to the forum! I'm sorry about your friend. I don't know if you said if your friend is a believer. But if he is, I can assure that God will work this situation for good for your friend. God allows all manner of evil in our lives to accomplish His purposes. Nothing is wasted. Nothing is needless. All is purposeful in the kingdom of God. So believe and pray for your friend.  LL
Thank you very much. Yes, he is a believer. He was not as a teen & became involved with a petty gang. He says it is God who brought him up when he was so far down. It was God who encouraged him & it was God who kept him safe when he was in prison for burglary at the age of 18 among murderers & rapists. He read the entire bible while he was in prison. He finished school while he was in prison. He stayed close to the chaplain while he was in prison and after he got out, he has been a decent citizen (7 years now). He married an hieress to a fortune, had 3 beautiful children & the wife decides to love drugs & the family fortune more than him. At her mother's demand, she gets rid of him in trade for a new home, but is completely psycho & frames him because he would not submit to her demands. No, not with drugs, but asks him to come back to the house to retrieve his clothes & when he shows up, he is arrested for "Aggravated Stalking", "Terroristic Threats" & "Burglary". She is worth....oh I guess a billion or so & lives in a town that is as politically corrupt as it gets.
I am afraid for his life because when his lawyer produces the evidence where she has begged & pleaded with him to come back, text messaged him to come to the house, it will make her look like the psycho that she is and her own father died in a very suspicious nature, but the authorities suddenly hushed that up and shelved all investigations, so the fear is that the same could happen to him. Hell does in fact hath no fury like a woman scorned!
THIS is what this poor man is up against. If he exposes her character, it is feared that she or her mother is capable of retaliation beyond all sanity and if he does not expose her, he may go to prison for 20 years.
The injustice is unbearable for him.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 6:24:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart
This kind of brings up another interesting idea (at least I find it interesting):
Since we cannot get "revenge" upon God, how do we bring to God's attention that we disagree with what things He's allowing to have happen to us on Earth, or that we feel He's causing? I won't say that God causes bad things to happen, but I do feel that He allows things to happen that (at least to us) seem unfair and hurtful. I know I've been in that situation, and I'm sure many other people have, too.
I think you may be in a situation all your own.
You have issues with God that you need to talk with God about. But you need to not think you have any right to take revenge upon Him or blame Him for anything that happens to you. There is another power at work here, an evil one, and i hope someday soon you realize that.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 6:54:11 AM
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What will you endure for the wounders of Heaven, How much do you love God determins the Devils intreast in you. God asked us to live for him ,he knew it would take more from us than death. I cant wait for heaven but i must complete my work for my God and Lord first. This life determins the Glory in the next one in heaven .We chose to die here to live forever in Heaven. God continue to bless us all, as we serve you Father. REVENGE UPON GOD i cant put into words what i want to say so i will say Father God please have mercy and forgivness for thay know not what thay are saying. We are the blame for any thing bad that happens our way,Our bad decisions and not hearing God is why bad things happen our way. In God we can never be defeated. God Bless hope i was some help.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 11:35:00 AM
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Maybe these will be of some help:
These verses in 2 Corinthians talk about suffering, etc. and God being of comfort
2 Cor 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 5 For as we share abundantly in Christ's sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort too. 6 If we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation; and if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which you experience when you patiently endure the same sufferings that we suffer. 7 Our hope for you is unshaken, for we know that as you share in our sufferings, you will also share in our comfort.
8 For we do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, of the affliction we experienced in Asia. For we were so utterly burdened beyond our strength that we despaired of life itself. 9 Indeed, we felt that we had received the sentence of death. But that was to make us rely not on ourselves but on God who raises the dead. 10 He delivered us from such a deadly peril, and he will deliver us. On him we have set our hope that he will deliver us again. 11 You also must help us by prayer, so that many will give thanks on our behalf for the blessing granted us through the prayers of many.
Further talk about suffering and judgement
2 Thes 1:5 This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering— 6 since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed. 11 To this end we always pray for you, that our God may make you worthy of his calling and may fulfill every resolve for good and every work of faith by his power, 12 so that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 3:17:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart
This kind of brings up another interesting idea (at least I find it interesting):
Since we cannot get "revenge" upon God, how do we bring to God's attention that we disagree with what things He's allowing to have happen to us on Earth, or that we feel He's causing? I won't say that God causes bad things to happen, but I do feel that He allows things to happen that (at least to us) seem unfair and hurtful. I know I've been in that situation, and I'm sure many other people have, too.
I hear you & I am sure that if God knows when we are happy & satisfied, He also knows when we are dissatisfied, hurt, & feel wrongfully treated. I believe the key is to SIT with Him in those times, as well as the joyous times. By SIT, I mean Stay In Touch. However you look at it, if you are talking to God, in reverent prayer with God, out loud or silently in your head, then you are IN TOUCH WITH HIM. God will give His attention to those who ask, but those who turn away from Him, well....that would be vengeful.
Look at it this way: If someone you love dearly dissagrees with your choice & they turn away from you, shunning & rejecting your love, wouldn't you consider that hurtful. Instead, if they would only take the time to let you know how upset they were with your choice, perhaps a mutual understanding will come about. Many a man has been upset with God. It would be remiss of Him not to understand & I believe it is okay to be upset with God. Don't hold it in, but talk it out with Him.
I am going through a situation right now where He is allowing evil people to hurt one of His believers, but for all of the bitterness that I feel creeping into me, for the confusion I feel over how clearly He is allowing this to happen to someone who I think has suffered enough, I still find myself turning to Him and asking for mercy. He said that it would be this way. He said that His followers would be persecuted and He promised to deliver those who persevered with Him. Persecution is not only dying or denying Christ, but persecution can be the biting off of bits and pieces of this life, like standing firm to His instruction while enduring unjust things. Many of us have been bitten so many times that it feels like our very being is chipping away & who knows, maybe it is. As long as we remain faithful, perhaps that's what is referred to as the refining of the fire.
I do know that in time, peace will come to those who believe.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 4:17:18 PM
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Taking revenge on God is like cutting your nose off to insult your face. I guess some may try this in the abuse they inflict on their bodies through all sort of addictions and I think it stems from the idea that they though that they would be doing God a favour if they came to faith in the first place not realising that, if they would not praise God, then He was capable of getting the very stones under their feet to praise Him.
Attention seeking rebellion only hurts those who try it. In it they hold God at arms length. They by their own example are held out as examples of those who resist the love of God and we see them and their hopelessness and learn not to blaspheme God by doing the same things. Fortunately, like the prodical son, some of us come to our senses and return to our loving Father before it is too late.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 4:35:27 PM
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I read the entire book of Job last week and this is where my mind went....."Why would God let Satan torture His most righteous and faithful servant? It simply seems that He wants us to suffer or He needs proof in this manner of our love for Him".
First, God's most righteous and faithful servant was Jesus not Job. He, Jesus, gave up more and suffered more than Job in order to redeem us who deserve nothing.
Ultimately, Job answered the question.
Job 42
1 Then Job replied to the LORD :
2 "I know that you can do all things;
no plan of yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, 'Who is this that obscures my counsel without knowledge?'
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.
4 "You said, 'Listen now, and I will speak;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.'
5 My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
6 Therefore I despise myself
and repent in dust and ashes."
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 4:47:52 PM
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You have issues with God that you need to talk with God about. But you need to not think you have any right to take revenge upon Him or blame Him for anything that happens to you.
 Maybe you should re-read that post. I didn't say that I had any right to take revenge on God, nor did I say that I was blaming him for anything.
The fact is, though, that God does allow some very unpleasant things to happen to people. To deny that is to deny reality.
God dosent allow anything bad to happen to anyone.
but I do feel that He allows things to happen that (at least to us) seem unfair and hurtful. I know I've been in that situation,
What does that comment mean, torch heart?
What I'm getting at is that bad things do happen to people and God could prevent them all. When he doesn't prevent them from happening, its easy to disagree (and maybe even resent) God for NOT preventing this.
Now, God could have had a good reason for letting this happen (mind you, I'm looking at this situation as a PERSON would look at it, which means that person might not know the specific reason why God allowed something that they preceive as bad to happen) or what happened could be a simple result of a person's bad choices. That said, though, it still won't necessarily change a person from viewing what happened as being attributed to God's inaction on their part.
So my point was that, since many people feel dissatisfied at one point or another with how God handled/is handling something in their lives, what would be the best way to go about basicly bringing your complaint up to Him.
Does this make more sense?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 4:49:47 PM
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You have issues with God that you need to talk with God about. But you need to not think you have any right to take revenge upon Him or blame Him for anything that happens to you.
Maybe you should re-read that post. I didn't say that I had any right to take revenge on God, nor did I say that I was blaming him for anything.
The fact is, though, that God does allow some very unpleasant things to happen to people. To deny that is to deny reality.
God dosent allow anything bad to happen to anyone.
but I do feel that He allows things to happen that (at least to us) seem unfair and hurtful. I know I've been in that situation,
What does that comment mean, torch heart?
What I'm getting at is that bad things do happen to people and God could prevent them all. When he doesn't prevent them from happening, its easy to disagree (and maybe even resent) God for NOT preventing this.
Now, God could have had a good reason for letting this happen (mind you, I'm looking at this situation as a PERSON would look at it, which means that person might not know the specific reason why God allowed something that they preceive as bad to happen) or what happened could be a simple result of a person's bad choices. That said, though, it still won't necessarily change a person from viewing what happened as being attributed to God's inaction on their part.
So my point was that, since many people feel dissatisfied at one point or another with how God handled/is handling something in their lives, what would be the best way to go about basicly bringing your complaint up to Him.
Does this make more sense?
Makes perfect sense. Which is why i said what i said earlier.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 4:51:21 PM
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So my point was that, since many people feel dissatisfied at one point or another with how God handled/is handling something in their lives, what would be the best way to go about basicly bringing your complaint up to Him.
Does this make more sense?
Lord, help me with my unbelief!
Lord, help me with not trusting you!
I think the answer is to call out to God to help us.
Psalm 34:18...God is close to the brokenhearted.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 4:53:11 PM
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So my point was that, since many people feel dissatisfied at one point or another with how God handled/is handling something in their lives, what would be the best way to go about basicly bringing your complaint up to Him.
Get in line and fill out form CMP456163567915674A at the Complaints Department.
If you can't find the Complaints Department or the line is too long. Prayer works.
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This is what the Lord says: “Stop at the crossroads and look around. Ask for the old, godly way, and walk in it. Travel its path, and you will find rest for your souls. But you reply, ‘No, that’s not the road we want!’ Jer 6:16
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 4:54:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart
So my point was that, since many people feel dissatisfied at one point or another with how God handled/is handling something in their lives, what would be the best way to go about basicly bringing your complaint up to Him.
Does this make more sense?
Lord, help me with my unbelief!
Lord, help me with not trusting you!
I think the answer is to call out to God to help us.
Psalm 34:18...God is close to the brokenhearted.
Thats exactly my point earlier and the post got deleted.
Its about them not having trust in God.
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 4:57:38 PM
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So my point was that, since many people feel dissatisfied at one point or another with how God handled/is handling something in their lives, what would be the best way to go about basicly bringing your complaint up to Him.
Get in line and fill out form CMP456163567915674A at the Complaints Department.
I tried that. I tried calling, too. Got put on hold and then accidently transfered to Heaven's admissions office.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:00:38 PM
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Am i the only one on here that finds some of these comments about not trusting God - disturbing?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:02:13 PM
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So my point was that, since many people feel dissatisfied at one point or another with how God handled/is handling something in their lives, what would be the best way to go about basicly bringing your complaint up to Him.
Get in line and fill out form CMP456163567915674A at the Complaints Department.
I tried that. I tried calling, too. Got put on hold and then accidently transfered to Heaven's admissions office.
That does tend to happen. The proper form for telephone system complaints is CMP61153644156753146456PS. Unfortunately, last I heard, they were out of that form.
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This is what the Lord says: “Stop at the crossroads and look around. Ask for the old, godly way, and walk in it. Travel its path, and you will find rest for your souls. But you reply, ‘No, that’s not the road we want!’ Jer 6:16
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:04:25 PM
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TorchHeart
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Am i the only one on here that finds some of these comments about not trusting God - disturbing?
I think you're reading more into them than you need to.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:05:24 PM
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doinkdom
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Am i the only one on here that finds some of these comments about not trusting God - disturbing?
I find them heartbreaking really. When one is not in the midst of conflict or suffering, it is easy to trust God and to give people bible verse bandaids relaying the same message.
But when your spouse dies unexpectedly or a child is terminally ill or some other tragedy...a flippant "Trust God" is hard to swallow.
We, as the body should be caring for one another and lifting one another up so that we share one another burdens.
At least, that's how I see it.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:05:52 PM
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TorchHeart
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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart
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ORIGINAL: laura...
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So my point was that, since many people feel dissatisfied at one point or another with how God handled/is handling something in their lives, what would be the best way to go about basicly bringing your complaint up to Him.
Get in line and fill out form CMP456163567915674A at the Complaints Department.
I tried that. I tried calling, too. Got put on hold and then accidently transfered to Heaven's admissions office.
That does tend to happen. The proper form for telephone system complaints is CMP61153644156753146456PS. Unfortunately, last I heard, they were out of that form.
Is that a revised form, or are they still using the one from a couple centuries back?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:07:23 PM
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TorchHeart
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But when your spouse dies unexpectedly or a child is terminally ill or some other tragedy...a flippant "Trust God" is hard to swallow.
This is kind of where I'm getting at... only with far more words.
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