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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 8:29:48 AM
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KatMack
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Will and I are both political junkies. We talk about politics A LOT and always have. We agree with each other the vast majority of the time, but there are notable exceptions.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 10:02:22 AM
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Will and I are both political junkies. We talk about politics A LOT and always have. We agree with each other the vast majority of the time, but there are notable exceptions.
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That would be us. For the most part we are voting the same, we might vote differently on some of the amendments.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 10:08:08 AM
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dH and I will discuss politics sometimes, actually we never manage to get through a debate on TV because we're always pausing the TIVO to talk about it. But that's nice, actually. We usually vote close to the same.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 10:51:31 AM
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Hubby and I discuss politics a lot. He actually wants to run for state house someday. We pretty much always agree and vote for the same candidates, although I think we've voted differently on state questions, etc. before.
I think it would be hard for a husband to successfully dictate who his family votes for, because ballots are secret.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 10:53:43 AM
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Mrs.Wifey
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Hubby and I discuss politics a lot. He actually wants to run for state house someday. We pretty much always agree and vote for the same candidates, although I think we've voted differently on state questions, etc. before.
I think it would be hard for a husband to successfully dictate who his family votes for, because ballots are secret.
Micah would love to run for state house, I think he'll probably start with city commissioner first, lol.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 11:18:04 AM
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Sometimes, dh and I will vote the same way, but ours is usually on state questions and such. We have tended to have different outlooks on things which contributes to our disagreement; however, our philosophies have become more similar in the recent years. This is the first major election since some of these changes, so it will be interesting to see what happens.
We do discuss politics quite a bit at our house, and I'm sure that has influenced our children. Our ds is now talking to his friends about politics and such...
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 11:41:52 AM
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- We talk about politics with regard to Christianity on a multiple-times-daily basis.
- DH is very well read on issues and people. VERY well read. I don't know anyone who reads as much as he does about this stuff.
- That being said and since no one else is doing it (and that is completely OKAY!) I will name names. I'm not going to "choose the lesser of two evils" (McCain vs. Obama). I don't think that is biblically mandated and I really, REALLY do not want either of those people in charge of this country for 10 minutes let alone four years. I am already praying these 4 years will go by really fast and we'll have better candidates (that people are willing to vote for) the next go-round.
I am also extremely disappointed in the American public as a whole for being so short-sighted to limit ourselves to only two candidates. How many millions of people live in America and we are telling ourselves there are TWO choices? What, is THREE too many more to think about? FOUR unheard of? People shouldn't be so afraid to look at other candidates. Researching candidates does not equal casting a vote for them. It's disappointing on a grand scale for me because the major parties are so inbred and you-pat-my-back/I'll-pat-yours -- ugh.
It is also extremely disappointing that the Fannie/Freddie bailout passed (as if it wouldn't; we need some lawmakers with some cojones). I hope the fat cats enjoy their private islands....Ryanne, your extra $3,000 for the bailout isn't going to help you buy your own private island anytime soon...
I am going out for our weekly lunch with one of my brothers and one of my sisters today so I won't be around. Oh, I'm pretty sure you're not all on pins and needles waiting for my political dissertation anyway. I'm sick of the housewife for Oprah (oops, I mean Obama) vote, and I'm sick of the Christians-vote-for-McCain vote. I'm really, REALLY getting tired of being told who I HAVE TO vote for because I am a Christian and being told not to WASTE my vote. 
Someone mentioned before that it was illegal not to vote in Australia. I've been thinking about that and I am glad that is not the case here. We have been given a right TO vote, and we can exercise that right and that is fabulous, but somehow it changes the flavor of it for me if I feel I no longer have a choice and would HAVE TO get out and vote even if I found nobody palatable on the ballot. This year I am a nursing mother and I promise you I am not willing to stand in line (and the lines will be long here as in many/most places) and I am not willing to get out a breast pump SO THAT I CAN VOTE for "the lesser of two evils" or for John McCain because it's the "Christian" thing to do.
I want my three thousand bucks back from the Fannie/Freddie bailout (and I'll take Adam's three thousand bucks back, too). I'm so tired of my husband working his tail off for our family, making a very nice salary and seeing so little of it hit our family's checkbook thanks to all the rules. We need money to live on, too, and thanks to the lawmakers (who get a mandatory raise every year -- their salary is, I believe $168,500/year). They only DON'T get an annual raise if they vote NOT TO RECEIVE IT. (Think that's going to happen? Yeah, I didn't think so.)
I need to stop talking about this for now. Again, I'm just one 42-year-old cog in the machine. You do not have to listen to me, agree with me or respect me for these words, but they are my thoughts as a Christian woman, wife and mother and, well, there they are. 
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 11:57:32 AM
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I am also extremely disappointed in the American public as a whole for being so short-sighted to limit ourselves to only two candidates. How many millions of people live in America and we are telling ourselves there are TWO choices? What, is THREE too many more to think about? FOUR unheard of? People shouldn't be so afraid to look at other candidates. Researching candidates does not equal casting a vote for them.
I'm so with you on this. I wish there were others to choose from.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 12:03:23 PM
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(as if it wouldn't; we need some lawmakers with some cojones)
I've been thinking the same thing recently, and I keep telling dh about it...
And, I pretty much ignore the whole "Christian vote republican" thing. You know, it was interesting when Romney was first running for gov. of Mass. The whole Christian republican vote was a problem for the Christians because he is a Mormon--a lot of them ended up voting for a third party candidate.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 12:09:38 PM
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I am also extremely disappointed in the American public as a whole for being so short-sighted to limit ourselves to only two candidates. How many millions of people live in America and we are telling ourselves there are TWO choices? What, is THREE too many more to think about? FOUR unheard of? People shouldn't be so afraid to look at other candidates. Researching candidates does not equal casting a vote for them.
I'm so with you on this. I wish there were others to choose from.
There are technically others, lol. Just not anyone who would actually have a chance of getting elected.
I do not get the whole "vote for McCain because we're Christian" thing. Personally, while my choice of "religion" does effect my morals it doesn't tend to effect views on things like economics, war, foreign policy, fair trade, etc... It certainly doesn't effect my view on the millions of regulations and tax laws that are running small businesses into the ground and even forcing larger businesses to take their factories to locations where it is cheaper and the profit margin is higher.
McCain is not my first choice, that's for darn sure but he embodies more of my views then Obama so he will be getting my vote.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 12:13:38 PM
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There are technically others, lol. Just not anyone who would actually have a chance of getting elected.
I know that, but what I'm saying is I wish there were a Libertarian or Independent candidate who actually had enough support behind them to run a successful campaign, as successful as the Democrats and Republicans. I wish Americans wouldn't just fall into the two camps, but actually research and stand behind candidates they actually believe in.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 12:15:03 PM
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Me too. I would be most likely to vote Libertarian, as long as it the candidate weren't a crazy anarchist nut job.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 12:46:06 PM
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It is also extremely disappointing that the Fannie/Freddie bailout passed (as if it wouldn't; we need some lawmakers with some cojones). I hope the fat cats enjoy their private islands....
I am very disappointed as well. We had *one* lawmaker here in OK who stood his ground and voted NO. All those financial institutions got themselves into the situation, they need to get themselves out. I cringed so many times during my years as a real estate professional, I couldn't believe the people who were able to get loans by the skin of their teeth. You know who will probably ultimately end up paying for this 700 Billion . . . . .Isaac, Isabel, Gabby and Adam and all our other little ones.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 12:53:37 PM
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I am also extremely disappointed in the American public as a whole for being so short-sighted to limit ourselves to only two candidates. How many millions of people live in America and we are telling ourselves there are TWO choices? What, is THREE too many more to think about? FOUR unheard of? People shouldn't be so afraid to look at other candidates. Researching candidates does not equal casting a vote for them.
I'm so with you on this. I wish there were others to choose from.
There are technically others, lol. Just not anyone who would actually have a chance of getting elected.
I do not get the whole "vote for McCain because we're Christian" thing. Personally, while my choice of "religion" does effect my morals it doesn't tend to effect views on things like economics, war, foreign policy, fair trade, etc... It certainly doesn't effect my view on the millions of regulations and tax laws that are running small businesses into the ground and even forcing larger businesses to take their factories to locations where it is cheaper and the profit margin is higher.
McCain is not my first choice, that's for darn sure but he embodies more of my views then Obama so he will be getting my vote.
 to all of this....not enough free hands to type much but thats pretty much what i would have said anyway....
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 12:58:39 PM
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How many millions of people live in America and we are telling ourselves there are TWO choices? What, is THREE too many more to think about? FOUR unheard of?
Honestly, doesn't make it much better!!! We have four major parties (five in Quebec) and honestly I can't see any of them running our country.
We've been watching the American debates for the first time in our lives (probably because we can PVR them and watch them later.) Though, this year I decided to watch the Canadian debate in French because I'm so sick of all the nonsense being spoken, I figured it would sound better in French (which it did!)
As for voting along religious lines, I can't do it. I need to do what I can for my family. I would like a party that embodies my Christian values, but there aren't any now.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 1:06:39 PM
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All those financial institutions got themselves into the situation, they need to get themselves out. I cringed so many times during my years as a real estate professional, I couldn't believe the people who were able to get loans by the skin of their teeth.
Fully agree. Even if they do make changes, they will stick for a few years and after that they'll end up going back to doing what they can to make money for themselves.
But I hope this is also a lesson to people to take control of their finances and understand them. Just because a company offers you a mortgage doesn't mean you will be able to afford the payments. I've seen people take way more than they should in a loan just because it's offered to them. And a few years later when they are complaining that they're in debt and can't make their payments, I tire of hearing it.
A few years ago we went to a mortgage broker who said he could get us almost $300,000. We were barely making $30,000 between the two of us. We knew we couldn't make the payments, but the guy was pushing, pushing, pushing the mortgage. He was sending us photos of houses in that price range. I'm so glad we decided not to get into it (there was a house we were in love with at the time.)
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 1:21:33 PM
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All those financial institutions got themselves into the situation, they need to get themselves out. I cringed so many times during my years as a real estate professional, I couldn't believe the people who were able to get loans by the skin of their teeth.
I was seeing a lot of people who should not have been able to get houses, too. Totally agree with you on letting the financial institutions face the consequences of their actions.
One of the politicians was saying that every American thought that the housing prices would only go up. Um... Not Me. I distinctly remember these conversations where I was explaining that there were highly inflated prices that were unsustainable. People's income was not matching the amount of house that they were buying. We were even being pressured to buy a house because people with low income/self-employed/etc were getting them, so we could. Um, just because we can doesn't mean that we should...
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 2:33:29 PM
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The Supreme Court appointments are one of the main reasons I am voting, Kat. It stinks to feel so backed into a corner.
I to am disappointed in the bailout, I'm also disappointed in Clinton for changing regulations that helped allow this to happen.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 10/7/2008 3:04:13 PM
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You know I'm with ya, Jeanie.
And I'm also thankful to live in a house that is still appreciating (cause the market was never really inflated here) and that I can afford. We were approved for more mortgage than we chose to use. We knew our budget. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people.
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