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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/23/2008 2:24:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ashleyyy

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ORIGINAL: misty35

Ashleyyy, I just want to start out by saying that I'm very sorry for what you're going through, there is no one that looks forward to losing a loved one, but knowing that person knows Christ, and that they are going to Heaven, a place that I long for, should be so comforting and that alone, should give you faith. Ashleyyy, I have read through all these loving peoples comments on here, and you were brought here for a reason. But the one thing I must ask you, is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior? Ashleyyy I'm not trying to be harsh, especially at a time like this, but it's so important. I read where you want to blame God for what's taking place right now, and only the devil will cause a person to do that. He knows our weaknesses, He is the deceiver and the liar! But I can promise you this, if you have ask Jesus to come into your life, if you confess all to Him, and ask Him to cleanse you of all unrighteousness, and to give you understanding on what's going on, He is faithful enough to do so Ashleyyy. He is that friend that will never leave you nor forsake you, in your darkest hour, He can give you comfort that surpasses all understanding, that's a promise! But it begins with you. My best advice to you, is to stop entertaining the devil, and stop giving him credit, and you plant your feet firmly on the Word of God, you call out to Him, and He will answer you. We serve a God who has the answers to everything that we will ever face, but it begins with you. People can give you advice all day, but until you decide to stop blaming God, and decide to have a heart to heart talk with Him, and sometimes the best prayers begin with, "I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND LORD!" But guess what, He does! My heart goes out to you Ashleyyy and I'm praying for you, but we must all remember this, He never promised us an easy journey, but He has promised us a safe landing. He says, do not lean on your own understanding......and we sure don't live by what we feel, but stand firm, on the PROMISES He has made. So, I'm asking you today, to trust Him, He cannot, He will not and He is not capable of making a mistake. Even as Christians Ashleyyy, we still have choices to make, He gives us free will, He will not make you do anything, but I feel in my heart, He is saying Ashleyyy just trust me my child. Ashleyyy, the Lord can take something so tragic in our lives, and turn it into something that you never expected. You are in my prayers. Love, Misty


Yes, he is my Lord/Savior, but like I said throughout my other posts it's been hard to think of him in that way. I'm so upset and frustrated with him. I know he never promised us an easy journey, but I also don't think he promised something this hard. And right now, it's getting harder and harder to get close to him again. I can feel it slipping away and I have prayed and I've asked "why?" but I get no answer. I do feel alone, I don't feel like he's with me anymore...I felt that after my Grandpa died and it's just getting stronger as more and more things happen to my Grandma.


Hi Ashleyyy...When life gets unbearable, we can choose to slip away from our relationship with the Lord, but he has not chosen to leave us. He says (as you may have heard, already), that he will never leave us (you), nor forsake us (you). If you loose your focus on the Lord, you will also, cease from praying. And your Grandmother needs your prayers. She needs you to intervene on her behalf in prayer. She needs you to be strong in the Lord to see her through some uncertain times ahead.

If your Grandma has surrendered her life to Jesus...then she has the greatest hope of meeting her Savior one day. Suffering is one of the worst things for a body to go through. I watched my own mother at 45 die from lung cancer. Christians came to pray for her to be healed. She was also invited to accept Christ, which she did, praise Him!
She was in great pain, having morphine as her only relief for the days leading up to her death. Soon after these dear believers left...I quickly went to her and asked her, "Mom, is the pain gone? Are you healed?"...She told me the pain was still there...but she had a smile on her face. She had a peace in her and it was like nothing she'd ever experienced. Years later when I surrendered my life to Christ I read in the scripture about the "peace that passes all understanding". It was then, that I knew that she was saved...and I will get to see her again.

I don't know if you are a mother, but if you are, then you maybe can relate to labour in child-birth. The suffering was the worst pain I ever endured (3) times. It was horrible at times...and then the most beautiful thing happened. A beautiful new life appeared. We were overwhelmed with love for this child who arrived........Suffering in this world, can be seen as extreme labour. But when it is over we will overwhelmed with the love of the Savior, and like the verse I posted above we will suffer no more.

Have you read the book of Job? It might be one to re-read, if you have.

Praying for you both...in Jesus name.
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/23/2008 7:19:02 AM   
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Dear Ms. Ashley...

Your grandmother will not LIVE FOREVER

NOBODY LIVE FOREVER, I will not either

Someday I will die ................. please that because Adam And Eve ATE FORBIDEN FRUIT

GOD said if you eat this fruit you gonna die,

it is happened to you and m e, ADAM AND EVE also your grandmother

Cancer can attacked GENETIC reason too

not only because of food etc etc

May God give you strength
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/23/2008 10:36:09 AM   
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Ashley, u said its hard to think of God in that way, right? I want u to do something ok. I want u to read Job, not part of it, but all of it, and if u can get a STUDY APPLICATION BIBLE, that would be even better, if u can't, I would be more than happy to send u one, just let me know. And remember this, when u pray, when u call out on God, He's there and He's never late, He's a right on time God, u said He isn't answering u, so I have to ask u the question, when u call out on Him, do u wait patiently on His answer, do u go to His Word for the answer, or does the devil make u anxious, worry, fearful and before u allow God to answer, have u already expected Him not too? When we pray, we are to expect, He tells us these things. Ashley I do not read His Word unless I ask Him for wisdon, knowledge and understanding, WE MUST ASK AND EXPECT, don't be defeated before u ALLOW Him. And I want u to know something else, U HAVE NOT LOST YOUR FAITH MY FRIEND, if u had, u wouldn't be here searching for answers. He is with u and don't u ever forget it! I hope u will read the book of Job Ashley, I believe the Lord has big plans for u!! But know this, only those who seek wisdom, will be given wisdom. Do not sit down with a defeated attitude, and from this day forward, be careful of what u speak into existence. When u sit down in a quiet place, alone with no distractions, u are sitting down in His discipleship Ashley, and only He can teach u and give u answers. And I have a question for u, that I really want u to think about, u said u have spoke to your Grandma, and u have shared with her what your feeling, what if the Lord decides today, that it's her time to go home, u will be left here knowing that when your Grandma left that her Grandaughter was doubting God. Ashley I really want you to get the answers you are looking for, but you have to let go of the defeated mentality that the devil has surrounded you with. What joy it would be, to go to your Grandma and say, "I trust the Lord, and I will not blame Him another day!" Instead of blaming Him, why not ask Him for an ultimate healing Ashley? You have accepted defeat, reverse this on the devil, God says are weapons against him, are LOVE, PRAYER, FASTING, TRUSTING HIM and FAITH IN HIM. I will not waver on my beliefs Ashley. The Lord says count it all joy when you are faced with trials, why? I'm sure u ask, because it's then, that we truly begin to realize how much He loves us, He pulls us in, and He finds us worthy! He has a plan for you, and right now, He is pulling you in my friend. Love, Misty btw, if you don't have the study application bible, I will purchase one for you, and send it to u, and I wont nothing in return, the Lord gets all the GLORY, not me. i will happily give u my phone number so u can call me :) You are going to just fine, the Lord isn't finished with you!
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/23/2008 2:28:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: misty35

Ashley, u said its hard to think of God in that way, right? I want u to do something ok. I want u to read Job, not part of it, but all of it, and if u can get a STUDY APPLICATION BIBLE, that would be even better, if u can't, I would be more than happy to send u one, just let me know. And remember this, when u pray, when u call out on God, He's there and He's never late, He's a right on time God, u said He isn't answering u, so I have to ask u the question, when u call out on Him, do u wait patiently on His answer, do u go to His Word for the answer, or does the devil make u anxious, worry, fearful and before u allow God to answer, have u already expected Him not too? When we pray, we are to expect, He tells us these things. Ashley I do not read His Word unless I ask Him for wisdon, knowledge and understanding, WE MUST ASK AND EXPECT, don't be defeated before u ALLOW Him. And I want u to know something else, U HAVE NOT LOST YOUR FAITH MY FRIEND, if u had, u wouldn't be here searching for answers. He is with u and don't u ever forget it! I hope u will read the book of Job Ashley, I believe the Lord has big plans for u!! But know this, only those who seek wisdom, will be given wisdom. Do not sit down with a defeated attitude, and from this day forward, be careful of what u speak into existence. When u sit down in a quiet place, alone with no distractions, u are sitting down in His discipleship Ashley, and only He can teach u and give u answers. And I have a question for u, that I really want u to think about, u said u have spoke to your Grandma, and u have shared with her what your feeling, what if the Lord decides today, that it's her time to go home, u will be left here knowing that when your Grandma left that her Grandaughter was doubting God. Ashley I really want you to get the answers you are looking for, but you have to let go of the defeated mentality that the devil has surrounded you with. What joy it would be, to go to your Grandma and say, "I trust the Lord, and I will not blame Him another day!" Instead of blaming Him, why not ask Him for an ultimate healing Ashley? You have accepted defeat, reverse this on the devil, God says are weapons against him, are LOVE, PRAYER, FASTING, TRUSTING HIM and FAITH IN HIM. I will not waver on my beliefs Ashley. The Lord says count it all joy when you are faced with trials, why? I'm sure u ask, because it's then, that we truly begin to realize how much He loves us, He pulls us in, and He finds us worthy! He has a plan for you, and right now, He is pulling you in my friend. Love, Misty btw, if you don't have the study application bible, I will purchase one for you, and send it to u, and I wont nothing in return, the Lord gets all the GLORY, not me. i will happily give u my phone number so u can call me :) You are going to just fine, the Lord isn't finished with you!


Misty35...Right on! And Amen in Jesus name!


Ashleyy...Count Misty35's post all joy as well. The Lord's wisdom is evident in all that is said.
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/23/2008 4:25:59 PM   
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Thank you KnowJesus I Love Jesus with all of who I am, I am nothing without HIM!! And to see the deceitful ways that the devil works, and the lies that he tells people, especially in times like Ashley is facing right now, makes me sick!! But I dont expect anything less when it comes to satan. I just want Ashley to know, that it's times like these, that she faces, that God WILL pull her through! Lets just get into agreement, that we will all pray for our Lord to strengthen her, and to give her the answers that she so desperately needs. May God always Bless you and yours :) Love, Misty
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/23/2008 7:37:47 PM   
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Thank you KnowJesus I Love Jesus with all of who I am, I am nothing without HIM!! And to see the deceitful ways that the devil works, and the lies that he tells people, especially in times like Ashley is facing right now, makes me sick!! But I dont expect anything less when it comes to satan. I just want Ashley to know, that it's times like these, that she faces, that God WILL pull her through! Lets just get into agreement, that we will all pray for our Lord to strengthen her, and to give her the answers that she so desperately needs. May God always Bless you and yours :) Love, Misty


You're VERY welcome, Misty.

Praise God, we are in agreement.

Ashleyyy...we are praying for you dear one in Jesus name.
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/23/2008 8:03:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ashleyyy
It's just to hard to have faith in Him after all of this. I felt that he left after my Grandpa died and I've never felt so far away from God in my life than I do now. It's hard to keep faith in Him and to know He loves me when he's taking away people that I love so so much.


Ashley, my heart goes out to you. I remembered when my father went away... I stated went away, because as I saw him laying on the bed in the hospital with tubes going down his throat... there he was cold and lifeless. Just when I look down in his face I was privileged enough to hear the voice of God state to my stunned soul... my mind... Dolli, he is not there. That is only a shell. He is with me....in my presence. Dolli, he would not want to comeback in that body wrecked with pain.

Ashley, I looked at everyone around me who were crying and said in a hopeful voice. "Hey, Daddy is not there... he is in the presence in of the Lord. And God says there is no more pain for him to suffer there."

Ashley, from that day forth I don't get mad nor afraid about individuals who are in Christ leaving this side of life. For they never die, they are living in the presence of God and very blessed. So you must continue in the faith so that you may be with him again. In fact, you need to continuously spread the God News of the Gospel so that all may enter in the Kingdom of God. So that we all may be reunited with the believers who went before us.

It is really a blessing, not trying to sound harsh. But when people are riddle with pain and not able to have a painless existence. Then it is a blessing when they go to be with the Lord. For some reason, we fail to realize that people are praying for the Lord to take them home. The Lord informed me my father (who was only 58) wanted to go he was tired. We who are healthy and walking around observing the sick in their beds, fail to realize that they may feel on display with people come and going in and out of their rooms. Some can not even communicate with the visitors, but because God is a Spirit, some are conversing with the Lord petitioning to leave and go home with him. Sometimes, wanting them to stay for us can be a little selfish. Don't get me wrong because I did not want my father to go away. But it was selfish of me to want him to stay in an unhealthy state so that I may look at him and then go off to my home and live life as usual.

Don't be mad at God... He love us. Jesus has prepared a home for all of the saints to go to. Time on earth is only a drop in the bucket, compare to eternity. So you need to make sure you'll see all the saints again by staying plugged into eternity...eternal life with God... through Christ Jesus. God's doesn't forsake... we forsake him. Don't listen to the devils lies. Death no longer have any sting of pain for the believer. We are reward with eternal Life with God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit.

DON'T YOU GIVE UP ON GOD... JESUS LOVES YOU... HE DIED FOR YOU... AND HE HAS NOT GIVEN UP ON YOU.

WE LOVE YOU ASHLEY... AND ONE DAY WE WILL BE PRAISING THE LORD TOGETHER WITH YOUR GRANDPARENT AND ALL THE SAINTS.

~DOLLI


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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/24/2008 6:53:44 PM   
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Hey Ashley,
I was just checking on ya, I'm praying and hoping that you are ok, please let us all know....Thank you :)
Love, Misty
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/24/2008 9:21:11 PM   
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A year ago my Grandma was diagnosed with colon cancer only a couple months after my Grandfather passed away. She went through chemo for about a year and just a couple months ago got off it. But she's been having terrible pain all over her body. She went to the doctors, took a bone scan and found out that she has bone cancer. She's only 68 years old, she's eaten healthy all her life, never smoked, drank...nothing. And she gets cancer.I don't understand it...what gets me so mad is how much suffering she's going through. The same thing with my Grandpa...he suffered multiple TIA's [mini strokes] He was in hospitals and nursing homes for 4, almost 5 months. I just don't understand why the people I love so much are suffering...why did my Grandma get cancer AGAIN?

I have no more faith in God, right now it's just a joke to me. I don't attend church because it gets me so mad how he can take a great man, my Grandfather away from me and my family...and now he's going to take my Grandma too. He doesn't stop suffering...I'm just at a loss about what to do.


I know how it feels to have this happen, I lived a very poor life and at the age of 4 or 5 my mom and dad went their own ways. I was made fun of because of this, then when I was 9 my Grandmother die she was 50 something to cancer it was the 3rd time she got it and the last. She was the only one who really cared and believed in me, I had a hard time dealing with all of this and asking why have I be placed in this hard time? this was just a small amount to want was to come in pain in my life, but I know that my Faith has become greater now then before. I will not say all but I will say I was without many times and Asked for the Lords help and He helped me, I have lost more then I have gain in this life. Yet I know that nothing in this life is great then what we will have after this life, so I say its better to nothing here and Better in Heaven. I have had to overcome this to become who I am to day, as I still overcome new stuff all the time. I had a DVD store and was doing good, my business partner lost some one in his Family and Closed the Store. I lost a lot of money and before that I Sold Amp'd Mobile and lost $3000.00 and Helio Lost another $3000.00, I no longer Work to sale for myself I do only Gods will for now till the end of my Life. I no longer wish to become rich or prideful, no longer want to do my will as I ask God all the time make me see the path of your will and humble me Lord so I may follow and become a better servant.

But with all being said it is so hard to lose a loved one, I know it is hard to deal with. I ask that God show you his will and being peace in knowing they will be with Him after this life and will be in a better place.

May God Bless you and all your Family and your Health may it be Good.

Mark
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/25/2008 9:04:39 PM   
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KnowJesus: I have been praying. I've prayed so much through all of this, but I honestly haven't had one prayer answered. I'm not a mother, I'm actually only 16 years old. I have not read the book of Job, do you know where I could find it?

misty35: I have waited patiently for his answer but have yet to get one. It's been a year and a half that I've been waiting for his answer and still haven't gotten one, which is why it's been so difficult for me lately. I will try and find a Study Application Bible, if I can't find one I'll let you know. Thanks so much for offering to purchase me one.

Misty, thank you for checking on me, I really appreciate it. I'm okay, still getting through a little at a time. My mother and Grandma went to see an herbalist today to see if she can have any herbs that can help with the cancer and the pain. The herbalist gave her some tea to help get her appetite back and to get her stronger. If she handles the tea well, she'll be able to get some cancer fighting herbs to help her out even more.

JerrynDolli: I know that it's best for her to go if she's in pain, but the point is that she shouldn't have this cancer to begin with. She shouldn't be suffering and in massive amounts of pain. That's what I don't understand & will never understand & that is what makes me angry.

MAP2010: Thanks for the kind words. I'm sorry about all you had to go through, it must have been hard.


I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has responded....every time I read your replies I'm brought to tears because of how much you guys care about someone you talk to over a Christian forum. It does give me strength knowing I have support and prayers from such nice people on here. So once again, thank you. It means so much to me.
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/25/2008 9:30:41 PM   
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I know where it is.

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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/26/2008 6:10:42 AM   
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Hey, how are you doing? I hope you're feeling a little better. So many people have shown their support for you already. I wish to add in my 2 cents. In fact, you're the reason why I decided to join this forum. I was actually complaining to myself tonight how there weren't any decent Christian forums then this place showed up. I'd like to tell you my story. It's late, so I may ramble a bit. Just some advanced warning.

I just lost my mother about 2 and a half months ago in July just a week before my 26th birthday. Right now I'm sitting in the very room where she died that Sunday morning. It wasn't what I wanted, and what's worse I had to witness my dad giving her CPR and her face turning blue right after waking up. Now I live alone with my father who treats me like a kid and yet at the same time expects me to fill in for my mom, while my little sister retreats to the couch where Mom passed out, spending all her time talking to her friends online while she is here, claiming that she is just keeping everyone updated, and barely gives us the time of day while she's away at college. Neither lifts a finger to take care of our dog who's getting on in years. Everyone I know wants me to talk while I'd rather just spend time with them doing fun things (my dad is really bad about this). I even tried to coax my sis off the couch with a game of cards and she just kept saying 'later.'

What my mother had was Grave's Disease. We didn't realize until earlier this year that was the root cause of all the problems she's had over the years. She even had a heart attack five years ago, and after that it just seemed like she was living on borrowed time. She kept claiming she felt better even while here visits to the hospital over the last year increased. Her blood pressure shot up and she was excitable and easily angered. Eventually they decided to put her on medication to kill her thyroid which was producing four times the amount of hormones her body needed. And just a few days before she died, she went in for a shock treatment because her heart rate shot up at over 180 per minute. She's always had an elevated heartbeat and as she got older it began to sap her of her strength. Then one day, she went out like a light calling my dad's name. Basically, her own body poisoned itself.

She was only 53 and when she wasn't too tired, she was actually happy and quite active. We were told shortly before her death that Grave's Disease is hereditary and chances are I might have to go through the same thing. If that's the case I'm already halfway through my lifespan. I'm already showing a few subtle signs, same as my mom when she was younger (my sister doesn't show any). The only thing it needs now is a trigger, a traumatic event to set it in motion. For my mom it was giving birth to me. We figured this out because nothing serious happened until after I was born when she gained a tremendous amount of weight through no fault of her own (like I said, she was active when she wasn't tired). It put stress on her heart, and well, you know the rest. This probably also gave her a hard time having children.

The reason why I'm telling you all of this is not to minimize your pain, but to let you know that in all your suffering, you're never alone. I've been separated from my college friends who live far away and are difficult to contact. I recently lost a job and had contact with the new friends I have gained over the last two years greatly reduced. I've practically withdrawn from the rest of my extended family with whom I've had a relatively good relationship up to now. I was tired of all their questions about how I'm doing and how's the job search is going (I only have a part-time job right now). Right now everything is a blur, and I can't see myself moving forward anytime soon. Even so, I understand that I'm not alone, and not the only one.

I've been through plenty of nasty things in my life, and I gotta say the only thing that kept me from going over the edge is knowing that God has never left my side. Occasionally, I do get angry, and well, I guess I start begging Him to do something about it. But then that dies down and I feel silly because He's already given me the one thing I needed most: His company. He doesn't put you through anything He knows you can't handle. He's there, silently cheering you on, believing in YOU. No words. No special favors. Nothing. Just His presence. And you begin to recognize the countless miracles occuring around you. They're no longer considered miracles because they're so common, but why should that trivialize their happening? It sounds ridiculous, but when you've been shy for most of your life and people tend to avoid you because they can't understand your silence, you begin to recognize the effect of a non-moving presence. Inaction, as well as action, can speak louder than words.

I've also come to realize the one thing God ever really promised is change. Change is a part of life, and so is death. In fact, in a way, death allows life to continue (think of Jesus and the cross). It is merely a transformation; another phase of life. Even if you look at it scientifically, death provides the materials for life to continue. If you remain static, then you are truly dead, even if physically you're alive. Don't let everything God has given you go to waste. It happens too often already.

For my mother we had a traditional Lutheran funeral were once the casket was closed at the funeral home where the wake took place, it stayed closed even at the church. They covered it with a white shrowd (sp?) before it entered the sanctuary to take focus off the body and help the mourners remember her life. On it was a big butterfly; the Christian symbol of resurrection and transformation. Her body may be an empty shell, but her soul has moved on, transformed. I know it will take time for me to fully accept it. When it comes to something like this God doesn't push, He takes His time as well. If accepting were so easy, it wouldn't take time at all. Its the same with faith. Its never easy. Often it's tough, riddled with doubts, anger, and sadness. But its also about endurance and never giving up.

Cherish the time you have left with your grandmother and remember your grandfather's life (I've lost both of mine, both good men). Your own presence is the thing your grandmother needs the most aside from God's alone. This is coming from someone who has retreated from her family, feeling as if they're already gone. I'm working on it though. This is a first step for me. A good reminder of what I should be doing, and what God has been silently urging me to do all this time.

Incredibly long message, I know. It's nearly 5 in the morning here (I haven't been able to go to sleep before five since Mom passed). I promise to go to sleep now and quit irritating my dad with my all-nighters. I hope what I said made some sense.

~Lily~
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/26/2008 7:17:14 AM   
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Hi Ashley,

Im very sorry to hear about your Grandparents & the pain you are suffering.

Please dont stop praying or talking to God, He is always there for you and knows exactly what you are going through. I know it sounds difficult to understand but God really does love you & want whats best for you.

Things happen which we cannot understand or justify but it is God's will. I believe that we as God's children will never fully understand things that happen on earth as God is so complex & our minds simply cannot comprehend things. Thus we must trust in God, speak to other christians and PRAY.

If you need someone to listen, please PM me

God bless,
Hayley
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/26/2008 6:38:36 PM   
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he is not causing them to suffer, but god is the way out of suffering.
we all must come to a point of tragedy, and suffering. thats what it is to be human.
but through christ we can have salvation, and enter the kingdom.
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/26/2008 7:36:01 PM   
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Isaiah Chapter 40, verse 28-31

28 Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.

29 He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.

30 Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;

31 but those who hope in the LORD
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.


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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/26/2008 9:02:25 PM   
Ashleyyy

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: laughing4lily

Hey, how are you doing? I hope you're feeling a little better. So many people have shown their support for you already. I wish to add in my 2 cents. In fact, you're the reason why I decided to join this forum. I was actually complaining to myself tonight how there weren't any decent Christian forums then this place showed up. I'd like to tell you my story. It's late, so I may ramble a bit. Just some advanced warning.

I just lost my mother about 2 and a half months ago in July just a week before my 26th birthday. Right now I'm sitting in the very room where she died that Sunday morning. It wasn't what I wanted, and what's worse I had to witness my dad giving her CPR and her face turning blue right after waking up. Now I live alone with my father who treats me like a kid and yet at the same time expects me to fill in for my mom, while my little sister retreats to the couch where Mom passed out, spending all her time talking to her friends online while she is here, claiming that she is just keeping everyone updated, and barely gives us the time of day while she's away at college. Neither lifts a finger to take care of our dog who's getting on in years. Everyone I know wants me to talk while I'd rather just spend time with them doing fun things (my dad is really bad about this). I even tried to coax my sis off the couch with a game of cards and she just kept saying 'later.'

What my mother had was Grave's Disease. We didn't realize until earlier this year that was the root cause of all the problems she's had over the years. She even had a heart attack five years ago, and after that it just seemed like she was living on borrowed time. She kept claiming she felt better even while here visits to the hospital over the last year increased. Her blood pressure shot up and she was excitable and easily angered. Eventually they decided to put her on medication to kill her thyroid which was producing four times the amount of hormones her body needed. And just a few days before she died, she went in for a shock treatment because her heart rate shot up at over 180 per minute. She's always had an elevated heartbeat and as she got older it began to sap her of her strength. Then one day, she went out like a light calling my dad's name. Basically, her own body poisoned itself.

She was only 53 and when she wasn't too tired, she was actually happy and quite active. We were told shortly before her death that Grave's Disease is hereditary and chances are I might have to go through the same thing. If that's the case I'm already halfway through my lifespan. I'm already showing a few subtle signs, same as my mom when she was younger (my sister doesn't show any). The only thing it needs now is a trigger, a traumatic event to set it in motion. For my mom it was giving birth to me. We figured this out because nothing serious happened until after I was born when she gained a tremendous amount of weight through no fault of her own (like I said, she was active when she wasn't tired). It put stress on her heart, and well, you know the rest. This probably also gave her a hard time having children.

The reason why I'm telling you all of this is not to minimize your pain, but to let you know that in all your suffering, you're never alone. I've been separated from my college friends who live far away and are difficult to contact. I recently lost a job and had contact with the new friends I have gained over the last two years greatly reduced. I've practically withdrawn from the rest of my extended family with whom I've had a relatively good relationship up to now. I was tired of all their questions about how I'm doing and how's the job search is going (I only have a part-time job right now). Right now everything is a blur, and I can't see myself moving forward anytime soon. Even so, I understand that I'm not alone, and not the only one.

I've been through plenty of nasty things in my life, and I gotta say the only thing that kept me from going over the edge is knowing that God has never left my side. Occasionally, I do get angry, and well, I guess I start begging Him to do something about it. But then that dies down and I feel silly because He's already given me the one thing I needed most: His company. He doesn't put you through anything He knows you can't handle. He's there, silently cheering you on, believing in YOU. No words. No special favors. Nothing. Just His presence. And you begin to recognize the countless miracles occuring around you. They're no longer considered miracles because they're so common, but why should that trivialize their happening? It sounds ridiculous, but when you've been shy for most of your life and people tend to avoid you because they can't understand your silence, you begin to recognize the effect of a non-moving presence. Inaction, as well as action, can speak louder than words.

I've also come to realize the one thing God ever really promised is change. Change is a part of life, and so is death. In fact, in a way, death allows life to continue (think of Jesus and the cross). It is merely a transformation; another phase of life. Even if you look at it scientifically, death provides the materials for life to continue. If you remain static, then you are truly dead, even if physically you're alive. Don't let everything God has given you go to waste. It happens too often already.

For my mother we had a traditional Lutheran funeral were once the casket was closed at the funeral home where the wake took place, it stayed closed even at the church. They covered it with a white shrowd (sp?) before it entered the sanctuary to take focus off the body and help the mourners remember her life. On it was a big butterfly; the Christian symbol of resurrection and transformation. Her body may be an empty shell, but her soul has moved on, transformed. I know it will take time for me to fully accept it. When it comes to something like this God doesn't push, He takes His time as well. If accepting were so easy, it wouldn't take time at all. Its the same with faith. Its never easy. Often it's tough, riddled with doubts, anger, and sadness. But its also about endurance and never giving up.

Cherish the time you have left with your grandmother and remember your grandfather's life (I've lost both of mine, both good men). Your own presence is the thing your grandmother needs the most aside from God's alone. This is coming from someone who has retreated from her family, feeling as if they're already gone. I'm working on it though. This is a first step for me. A good reminder of what I should be doing, and what God has been silently urging me to do all this time.

Incredibly long message, I know. It's nearly 5 in the morning here (I haven't been able to go to sleep before five since Mom passed). I promise to go to sleep now and quit irritating my dad with my all-nighters. I hope what I said made some sense.

~Lily~

I'm sorry about your mother. Thank you for sharing your story & your encouraging words. I understand what you mean and I'm trying to get my faith back...but it's taking sometime. I do love God and I'm thankful for everything he has given me, but at the same time I'm angry and frustrated with him. I've always been a really strong Christian. I used to go to church every Sunday, I'd pray every night, I'd read sayings from the Bible...but like I said after my Grandpa died all of that stopped. I hated going to church because every time they would sing and praise the Lord, I would start to cry out of anger towards him for taking away my Grandfather. And just a couple months after my Grandpa died & I started to get my faith back a little bit, I found out my Grandma had cancer and I lost it all over again. And this time it's really hard to get it back.

I have trouble sleeping too. I'm sometimes on here late at night as well : P
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/26/2008 9:04:22 PM   
Ashleyyy

 

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Hayley-Noelle: I will definately PM you if I need to talk. Thanks for offering (: It's just really hard at the moment to be strong and keep the faith. If you read my reply to laughing4lily, I explained more of how I'm feeling.


ladyichigo: Thanks for the quotes (:
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/27/2008 3:21:40 AM   
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Take your time. Its good to hear your response though. Its the first time in a long while that I didn't feel like I was wasting time. And thank goodness I actually made sense! Though I couldn't go to sleep, I was REALLY tired. We can get through this, I know it. Keep in mind that religious practice, such as attending church, praying, and reading scripture, are merely spiritual aids, not a crutch your life depends upon. If regular practice doesn't suit your current needs, you may want to talk to your religious leader about your feelings. Don't keep them inside. Its perfectly okay to feel angry. If they knew your grandfather personally they'll more than understand. My own pastor was in a bit of a shock when we told him about mom. He had survived prostate cancer and had two daughter of his own around my sister's age. The same feelings and concerns went through his mind during his ordeal, so it was a bit of comfort that he understood. He said to us, "Be gentle with yourself." There will be days when you feel like doing nothing. Don't push yourself, and don't pray too hard. It won't help anyways if it gives you a headache!

Have you ever heard of The Laments? I suggest you look them up.

~Lily~
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/27/2008 12:56:48 PM   
Ashleyyy

 

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I try to always reply to all posts on here :P It's comforting to know that you feel somewhat the same way I do and are going through the same thing. I used to do that because it made me feel close to God. It was something I liked to do. I really don't have a religious leader who I feel comfortable enough talking to, I don't know him personally & he didn't know my Grandfather either. I've spoken to my mom about how I'm feeling and it seems like she's wavering a tiny bit on her faith as well..
I have never heard of them, I will look them up though.

Thanks so much for replying :) It's nice to have someone to talk to who understands how I feel.
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/27/2008 4:29:29 PM   
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Hi Ashley,
I just want to start out by saying, that I have been praying for you and talking to the Lord about you. I think about you daily, and what I should say to you. Although I havent posted anything lately, Ive been here reading, and the one question that keeps coming to my heart, is what do you believe faith is? You say, you think you have lost your faith. Really think about that statement ok? Because I have been faced with something, that I never thought would happen, and I havent even mentioned here, and probably wont right now, I would rather stay focused on you, and help you, than magnify my own problems. I have learned a very valuable lesson in these past 4 months, and I believe the Lord wants me to share this with you. Ashley, faith is not knowing the outcome of what you are faced with, faith is trusting God with everything that you will ever have to go through. I use to think that faith meant, when I prayed, God was going to answer, and there are many many times, that He will, but often we will be faced with things, and we will pray, and we wont feel that He is answering, but thats because, He knows best. And Im not saying that you are going to lose your Grandmother, but you have to remember, FAITH is trusting God. I just read this the other night, so Im going to share this with you. WHY GOD MAY NOT BE ANSWERING YOUR PRAYERS. This can be found in the back of a study application Bible, it helps people to understand, thats why I urge you to get one, or allow me to send you one. IT SAYS THIS, "SOMETIMES WE ASK GOD QUESTIONS AND THEN WE RECEIVE NO ANSWER. THIS MAY NOT BE BECAUSE GOD IS SAYING NO. WE MAY HAVE ASKED FOR KNOWLEDGE BEYOND OUR ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND OR ACCEPT. Ashley, He hears you, and He understands you, and believe me, He is patient with all of us, just reach out to Him, dont turn your back on Him. And rather than accept your Grandmothers illness, why not go to the Word, and meditate on Scripture for healing, He is the Mighty Physician!! I dont care what any Doctor says, and all due respect to them, but when they say, there is no hope, Jesus Christ says different. But its starts with us, we are either going to believe, trust and follow Him, or we will accept defeat. So do this ok, go to your Grandmother, and ask her, "Do you believe that Jesus Christ can heal you?" Ask her to believe, ask your mother to believe Ashley, and get that Bible, and get verses for healing, I will send them to you, and everyone here on this forum will begin to pray for an ultimate healing for your Grandmother! DO NOT ACCEPT DEFEAT! And you always know this, there is only one way for FAITH (Trusting Him) to grow, and thats to be faced with the firey trials. If we were never faced with obstacles and set backs in our lives, how would faith have room to grow?? It wouldnt. So, take the focus off yourself, start trusting Him today, that He knows what He is doing, and you BELIEVE that He will pull your family together! Im believing Ashley! Do you know, that whatever you think on, whatever you meditate on, will overtake you? If you meditate on the Word of God, read His Word, ask for knowledge and wisdom, He will give it to you.

Ashley, I find it so amazing that you are only 16, and your here looking for answers, Im so proud of you! I believe God has something quiet amazing for you in this world we live in today, I believe He is going to use you, and this is the beginning of Him molding you into a mighty soldier to further His Kingdom!! And although you maybe angry and frustrated with Him, He's not with you Ashley, He loves you the same, and He has brought you here for a reason. You know the devil tried to make me angry with the Lord a few weeks ago, but I fought through it, I ask God why, and you know something, its ok too. He says that He wants us to ask, and anger can be ok, just dont let that anger turn into bitterness, but questions will lead to answers. So what your feeling, is ok. We are human, and He knows that. He created us, He knows us better than we know ourselves. Thats sometimes are to believe isnt it?

I want to point out something ok, you mentioned that you use to pray "every night." Ashley, there is a secret about a close relationship with God and I read this just the other night. Psalm 5:1-3 In the footnotes, it explains. We should pray earnestly each morning. In the mornings our minds are more free from problems and then we can commit the whole day to God. Regular communication helps any friendship and is certainly necessary for a strong relationship with God. We need to communicate with Him daily. And we need to make time each to read His Word.

I have only been saved for 15 months, and the transformation that He has made in my life, is one that I will NEVER be ablt to put into words. And during these past 15 months, I have been faced with many trials, my biggest one was in the last 4 months, and believe me, it was HARD, but He pulled me through, and He never left me. During some of the darkest moments, He was right there, but He is teaching me how to trust Him, He is showing me what it means for my faith in Him to grow. Thats why it says, count all trials joy! He finds us worthy!!!! And you will never understand this Ashley, unless you allow Him to show you! Sometimes we get so caught up in self pity, that we dont get the true meaning of whats going on in our lives, and how He is transforming us, and gettting us ready to reach that whole new level of GLORY!! Dont allow satan to do this to you, call out on the REDEEMER, He is right there! I once heard someone say, "There is no pit too deep that He cant pull you out of!" Its true, I have experienced it, or I wouldnt be here today!

Im praying for you, your mother and your Grandmother, and I hope that everyone else will join me in prayer, in agreement, for Ashley's Grandmother's Ultimate healing!!!! Now Ashley, you go and tell your Grandmother, what we are praying for ok? And when your ready for the Bible, you let me know :)
Love,
Misty
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RE: I think I lost my faith in God - 9/27/2008 5:35:52 PM   
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No problem. I'm still having a hard time talking to the rest of my family right now, especially my dad, even though it effects them as well. Keep talking and spend time with your family and grandmother. You're literaly a gift and their hope. We all are, and don't ever forget that. I could ask my pastor for some suggestions or maybe at least a few more encouraging words. I could even ask him for some information about The Laments. I've read them before, but I'm shaky on explaining their purpose and background info. I often have a hard time explaining the particulars of my faith and denomination to others even though I understand them. That's why I'm starting to memorize, or better yet, write down important points to help me explain it better (since my memory stinks).

At my church they offer classes on Sunday afternoon every Fall and Spring to explain the basics to newcomers and to those who just need a refresher course. If your church does that, its a good place to start. Its just like learning to dance or play an instrument; you must practice the basics faithfully or you can't hope to get very far, or if you are already there, be able to keep it up. It can't remain interesting and it gets sloppy or even downright dangerous without a solid foundation (you think you can't hurt yourself playing an instrument? Ooooh yes you can, I can attest to that! I can get into that later tho. : P ) Religous practices can become meaningless or irritating in the same way, and yes, even dangerous. *cough*cults*cough*

(Warning: History Rant) But then that's not fair because Christains started out as a cult, but as the Word grew and more stories and different interpretations formed, it got to the point where they had to form a Canon or risk self-destruction. This is pretty much how the Bible came about. I'm sure you heard that there are other books out there, but they originally wanted to focus on the teachings of Jesus, so many were left out. Then of course people started narrowing their views on even the accepted texts, and well, you've seen how that went. It seems like they've forgotten the very core of Jesus' teachings in order to make themselves feel like they're more special than the rest, coming up with things as ridiculous as indulgences to pay your way to heaven. In reality, Jesus wants to accept everyone, just as they are and no special favors to put anyone first (ever heard "everyone is equal in the eyes of God?"). I could be wrong about this, but it just seemed like the most reasonable explanation to me.

Then why do we even have denominations? Simple: There is no one right way to worship God. But then, there is definitely a wrong way, and in my mind, that involves forgetting the basics, having no real foundation, and not being consistant. I think I've said it before, religion is an aid, not a crutch or a false prop. Your hope and faith should never hinge on whether you're praying properly, or praising God just right. Of course, some seek to