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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/20/2008 3:29:25 PM
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When we renew our minds through God's Word, this will often show us that there is sin in our lives which the Holy Spirit wants to sanctify us concerning. Yes - I do believe repentance is part of mind renewal. I certainly agree with that aspect of repentance, Little_1. Thanks for clarifying.
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/20/2008 3:34:42 PM
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I only used Paul as the example of a lost person being called to God. That's fine, but I thought we were all, at one time, examples of lost people being called to God. Why does He call lost people? Why do some respond? It's all about His grace, right? I hope this has helped you, dd. I think you have more clues than you realize! 
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/20/2008 3:50:20 PM
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..... repentance: It is a remorse for ones sins that touches their heart, and causes them to reform their life. Regretting circumstances is mere regret, and nothing more, but the remorse that touches our heart, and causes us to reform is repentance.
Reformed criminals can 'turn from sin' without ever trusting the Lord! Why? Because they were remorseful and had a change in heart and mind but that doesn't mean they have eternal life! Unless they 'change their minds towards God' and 'turn to God' they won't ever have eternal life no matter if they have turned from the sinful ways of their previous way of life!
Below is a good link to explain the actual words used for repentance in the Bible and how 'turning to God' became mixed up with 'turning from sin'.
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/20/2008 5:40:49 PM
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drmark, I notice that the actual word for repent is not in that verse, but the very description is, and the contrast..... there is the conformed to the world, and there is the transformation, and it comes from renewing ones mind.
in Acts 2:38 where peter is talking to a large audience, he says: "repent"
I have not googled this word, nor have I grabbed a bible dictionary, but I am sure that this word is in aorist tense...... if that is so, does repentance stop at the moment of salvation? or is it a continuation?
being transformed (metamorphoo) by the renewing of your mind (nooce) is the same thing (imo)
I know context is important, so is interpretation.
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/20/2008 10:31:47 PM
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I turned from sin (to a certain degree) before I became a Christian, I thought I was a christian. I did my best to live a christian life. When Christ saved me it had nothing to do with me. For the first time it was about Christ and nothing to do with me. It was a gift. It was when I knew God loved me, sinful me and Jesus died on the cross for me and it had nothing to do with any decision or action i had taken that is when the conversion took place. That is when I felt my burden lifted. I had been seeking God and salvation for months. I can honestly say my conversion had nothing to do with me, it was all Jesus. That is when Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, started making sense.
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/21/2008 3:27:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: AboundinginHisGrace
I turned from sin (to a certain degree) before I became a Christian, I thought I was a christian. I did my best to live a christian life. When Christ saved me it had nothing to do with me. For the first time it was about Christ and nothing to do with me. It was a gift. It was when I knew God loved me, sinful me and Jesus died on the cross for me and it had nothing to do with any decision or action i had taken that is when the conversion took place. That is when I felt my burden lifted. I had been seeking God and salvation for months. I can honestly say my conversion had nothing to do with me, it was all Jesus. That is when Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, started making sense.
AboundinginHisGrace - thank you for sharing some of your personal testimony with us. You are so right. We cannot work our way into God's favour. God's grace is the divine key which unlocks our faith and points us Godward. God's grace enables us to lay hold of the promises of mercy and forgiveness through faith in the atoning blood of Jesus. God's grace is sufficient for everything - starting with salvation.
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/21/2008 3:29:25 PM
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When we renew our minds through God's Word, this will often show us that there is sin in our lives which the Holy Spirit wants to sanctify us concerning. Yes - I do believe repentance is part of mind renewal. I certainly agree with that aspect of repentance, Little_1. Thanks for clarifying.
drmrak, I should point out that by saying I believe repentance is involved in mind renewal - by the word 'repentance' , I mean 'turning to God'. We cannot have our minds renewed without turning to God through His Word.
My understanding of repentance = 'turning to God' and not turning from sin as many others understand it to mean.
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/21/2008 3:37:39 PM
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ORIGINAL: AboundinginHisGrace
AboundinginHisGrace - thank you for sharing some of your personal testimony with us. You are so right. We cannot work our way into God's favour. God's grace is the divine key which unlocks our faith and points us Godward. God's grace enables us to lay hold of the promises of mercy and forgiveness through faith in the atoning blood of Jesus. God's grace is sufficient for everything - starting with salvation.
Of course we cannot "Work" our way into God's favor; but if after we are saved we do not live a sanctified life; then we are none of His. As Paul writes;
(Eph 2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(Eph 2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(Eph 2:10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Please note verse 10; we are saved unto good works; no good works = no salvation.
No sanctification = no salvation.
Continuing is sin = no salvation.
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/22/2008 7:19:19 AM
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The simplest explanation of Biblical repentance I've heard is:
A “change of mind” that allows for a “change of action” by allowing God’s divine action to become operative in our life. That is a Derek Prince statement based on the original language words.
In the NT the Greek word metanoin (and variants) means to change the mind. In Hebrew, teshuvah (root word shub) means to change direction, i.e. to be walking one way and then turn around and go the opposite way.
When Derek put them together he came up with the phrase you quoted.
It is a turning around both inwardly and outwardly. It is both a turning from sin and a turning to God.
Let me add one more fly in the ointment: repentance is a gift:
Act 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."
A gift that can be withheld:
Heb 12:17 For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears.
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/22/2008 1:18:08 PM
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IMO, repentance is something that God grants us. I know all the passages of obedience and how we must turn away from evil, etc. but how do you think we are able to do that? I believe it is the Holy Spirit working in us and has nothing to do with how "good" we are.
Repentance based on something I do just doesn't give the full glory to God, imo.
Acts 5:31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
2 Tim 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
Hebrews 6:3 And this we will do if God permits 4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Just my .02 worth
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/22/2008 1:28:09 PM
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ORIGINAL: doinkdom
IMO, repentance is something that God grants us. I know all the passages of obedience and how we must turn away from evil, etc. but how do you think we are able to do that? I believe it is the Holy Spirit working in us and has nothing to do with how "good" we are.
Repentance based on something I do just doesn't give the full glory to God, imo.
Acts 5:31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
2 Tim 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
Hebrews 6:3 And this we will do if God permits 4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Just my .02 worth
I have the same view. I tried to repent on my own, I tried to repent and come to God, but it wouldn't work. God wants us the way we are. He is the one that opens our eyes and He does the changing. Salvation is 100% jesus and 0% us.
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/22/2008 4:44:07 PM
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I've printed off 14 x A4 pages from the Blue Letter Bible with regards to the various meanings of repentance (both OT and NT). I hope to prayerfully study these in more detail this week along with my Bible to try and get a grasp of the various meanings. Thank you for pointing out this fab internet tool. Appreciated.
Once you start looking over it, post #4 will make more sense, hopefully.
I'm glad you like it. It has come in very handy to me many times.
Please post what you discover! It will be interesting to compare notes. That was the tool I used when I had to make a presentation on repentance to a study group.
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RE: What is Biblical 'repentance'? - 9/25/2008 4:07:59 PM
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OT terms: [the term naham] Repent = to "pant", "sigh" or "groan" and later came to signify "to lament" or "to grieve"(Gen 6:6, Jonah 3:10). Repent = "to turn" or "return" [the term shubh] which expresses a change in ones attitude towards sin and God. It implies a conscious moral separation, and a personal decision to forsake sin and to enter into fellowship0 with God (Deut 4:30; Ne 1:9; Psalm 7:12; Jeremiah 3:14).
In NT terms: the word repent means various things in differing contexts. It can mean "to care" or "be concerned"; "to change ones mind"; "to turn over"; "to turn upon" and to "turn unto". -- Blue Letter Bible
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Repent as in Acts 2:38 - Peter was calling people who rejected Jesus (Acts 2:36) to change their minds about Him and to recognise that He is indeed "Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36). Peter was calling people to change their minds from rejection of Christ to acceptance of Christ as the Messiah, to faith in Him as both Messiah and Lord.
Repent as in Acts 3:19 and Acts 20:21 means change of mind and faith towards Jesus Christ.
It is crucially important that we understand repentance is not a work we do to earn salvation. No one can repent and come to God unless God pulls that person to Him (John 6:44). Acts 5:31 and 11:18 indicate that repentance is something God gives – it is only possible because of His grace. No one can repent unless God grants repentance. All of salvation, including repentance and faith, is a result of God's drawing us, opening our eyes, and changing our hearts. God's longsuffering leads us to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), as does His kindness (Romans 2:4).
While repentance is not a work that earns salvation, repentance unto salvation does result in works. It is impossible to truly and fully change your mind without that causing a change in action. In the Bible, repentance results in a change in behavior. That is why John the Baptist called people to “produce fruit in keeping with repentance” (Matthew 3:8). A person who has truly repented from rejection of Christ to faith in Christ will give evidence of a changed life (2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 5:19-23; James 2:14-26). Repentance, properly defined, is necessary for salvation. Biblical repentance is changing your mind about Jesus Christ and turning to God in faith for salvation (Acts 3:19). Turning from sin is not the definition of repentance, but it is one of the results of genuine, faith-based repentance towards the Lord Jesus Christ. --Got Questions Ministries
Repentance as in Mark 1:4 speaks of "repentance for the remission of sins", and not "repentance of sins." Also Acts 20:21 speaks of "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance towards God, and faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ." This repentance is 'towards God'. Then in Acts 11:21 it says, "And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord." Nowhere does it mention that these new Christians 'turned from their sin,' but this is not to say this will not now happen - please read on.....
Also, the Word of God teaches us that "without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sins." It is the shed blood of Jesus that saves us from the punishment our sin deserves NOT turning from our sins first and then secondly accepting the shed blood sacrifice! It is Christ's work first and foremost (and not anything of our own attempts) that saves us. However, the 'turning from our sins' is something which will happen when we trust Christ because genuine turning to God will produce a new creation or else there is something not right......
"Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. " -- 2 Corinthians 5:17. We become 'a new creation' in Christ (which most definately includes turning from sin).
This is my understanding. I appreciate others' understanding may not be the same but if this topic gets anyone to prayerfully delve deeper into the Word of God - that is good and I hope you are blessed as a result.
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