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RE: Dualing Prophecies-Who's Right? - 10/4/2008 1:21:33 PM
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Brenyada
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Earthless,
My response was to Lapidoth who made a statement that Torah was abolished. I should have made that more clear. To your statement, we are never to made heed to false prophet and there is much scripture to back that up.
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RE: Dualing Prophecies-Who's Right? - 10/5/2008 4:25:39 AM
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A serious look however shows that the moles who are whacked are all public figures advertising and making money. There are laws regarding truth in advertising, laws regarding proper use of the public broadcast media and more, and then there is plain ol' truth--all of which are goings-on outside of a prayer room or even the stain-glass windows. Each of us has every right to object to their operations from a sense of civic duty without ever getting to the Scriptural reasons to object to false teachers. Hold on now... I never said you didn't have a RIGHT to attack them. But having a civic right and having a biblical command are two very seperate things. They have a civic right in Texas to commit sodomy between two consenting adults... but that does not mean that God does not have a problem with it. You have the RIGHT to Free Speech, but that doesn't mean you should always USE that right... James 3 would tell you that. Yes, you have the RIGHT to do as you do. In the correct context I would agree that there is a Biblical reason for "calling someone out"... But this is far from the correct context.
Consider this... we are in a public forum where 90% of the people here would agree that many of those we put on the chopping block have bad doctrine. So what does screaming about them actually do? Make us feel self-righteous? "Oh Lord, thank you for not making me like this tax collector"? All of this started because I made a joke about how one side took one answer to a 50/50 probability and the opposing side took the other answer of the same 50/50 probability... not because I was defending Kim Clement or the Elijah List.
As I said, why play Whack-a-Mole when we can ask God to unplug the entire darn machine? (Ephesians 1:17-19)
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To stand by and do nothing, say nothing, type nothing is not in obedience to Scriptures regarding taking care of the less fortunate which in this case is those losing their money and devotion to God by giving it to those who are not presenting God's voice and God's plan but who claim to be doing so...and that is before ever getting to the Scriptural reasons to object to false teachers. So you regard prayer as "doing nothing"... interesting hermaneutic. However, taking care of the "less fortunate" is refering to the poor of the Earth. If you think anyone in America truly fits that description (aside from, say, hurricane victims), we need to readjust our definition of "poor". Pleading the cause of the widow and the orphan doesn't even come close to touching this subject that we are currently embroiled in.
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For all anyone knows...trying to draw the line now may stop some of these from getting worse. That's right! When anyone can set up a "ministry", when they may be getting deaf toward God and may be without any other counsel and oversight, good old public scrutiny may be the only compass they have. So this a stop-gap measure... unto what? Why waste your time looking high and low for proof of a notion that "Preacher X" is a "False Teacher" when you can pray for God to give wisdom and revelation to him and his followers, and then see the whole lot "turn back to God", all while studying your Bible and looking at the truth? Once again, are we playing Whack-a-mole or unplugging the arcade?quote:
This is hilarious. I sincerely thank you for this amusement. [sarcasm] Well it's about time someone recognized my utter brilliance! [/end sarcasm] Thanks for the kind words...
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RE: Dualing Prophecies-Who's Right? - 10/5/2008 8:32:12 AM
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wintery
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ORIGINAL: FurGodWurLivin
You have the RIGHT to Free Speech, but that doesn't mean you should always USE that right... James 3 would tell you that. Yes, you have the RIGHT to do as you do. In the correct context I would agree that there is a Biblical reason for "calling someone out"... But this is far from the correct context.
I believe when they put themselves in the public arena they invite public comment. The world needs to hear a different voice on these things for the defense of Christ as well.
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Consider this... we are in a public forum where 90% of the people here would agree that many of those we put on the chopping block have bad doctrine. So what does screaming about them actually do? Make us feel self-righteous? "Oh Lord, thank you for not making me like this tax collector"? All of this started because I made a joke about how one side took one answer to a 50/50 probability and the opposing side took the other answer of the same 50/50 probability... not because I was defending Kim Clement or the Elijah List.
I really don't feel self-righteous.
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As I said, why play Whack-a-Mole when we can ask God to unplug the entire darn machine? (Ephesians 1:17-19)
Yes the name of Jesus is above every name (v. 21); but right now we still have a role to play as doing our part.
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So you regard prayer as "doing nothing"... interesting hermaneutic. However, taking care of the "less fortunate" is refering to the poor of the Earth. If you think anyone in America truly fits that description (aside from, say, hurricane victims), we need to readjust our definition of "poor". Pleading the cause of the widow and the orphan doesn't even come close to touching this subject that we are currently embroiled in.
Perhaps you are not aware that there are those less fortunate who buy into these money-vacuuming "ministries". It's one thing for the widow's mite to go to the temple, but to hand it to a street vendor for a fortune cookie will neither sustain her or do anything for God. In "less fortunate" I see those who belong to the Lord but who have not the wisdom (yet) to see how throwing God's resources and what is theirs away does not earn them any blessing. FurGodWurLivin, people have been said to have sent in food stamps to ministries. How alarming, wrong and misguided.
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So this a stop-gap measure... unto what? Why waste your time looking high and low for proof of a notion that "Preacher X" is a "False Teacher" when you can pray for God to give wisdom and revelation to him and his followers, and then see the whole lot "turn back to God", all while studying your Bible and looking at the truth? Once again, are we playing Whack-a-mole or unplugging the arcade?
I think that's the faith vs. works approaches. Certainly pray and shut 'em down...for their sakes too if they may repent.
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[sarcasm] Well it's about time someone recognized my utter brilliance! [/end sarcasm] Thanks for the kind words...
You're welcome.
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RE: Dualing Prophecies-Who's Right? - 10/6/2008 4:09:04 AM
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FurGodWurLivin
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I believe when they put themselves in the public arena they invite public comment. The world needs to hear a different voice on these things for the defense of Christ as well.
You are free to think that way. In fact, I will even go so far as to agree that they are inviting public comment by placing themselves in the public arena. That being said, I don't "take one" just because the sign says "Free: take one". Temptation is your own desires inviting you to sin... but that doesn't mean that you automatically sin when ou are tempted.
I will also agree that the world needs to hear a different message about who Christ is. So why focus on tearing down those who, perhaps honestly mistaken, speak of God incorrectly rather than get the word out about who Christ really is? You don't have to be combative to present a different view point. By merely taking a contrary position, you can actually make a much more effective counter-argument that by merely debasing the person you are contrary to. Unfortunately, finding something of that nature in the church is about as common as finding a Bible on Mars.quote:
I really don't feel self-righteous. ... And that is perfectly fine. So what purpose does a conversation such as this in a public forum of a mostly homogenous opinion actually serve?quote:
Yes the name of Jesus is above every name (v. 21); but right now we still have a role to play as doing our part. Agreed. What we disagree on is what our role is supposed to be.quote:
Perhaps you are not aware that there are those less fortunate who buy into these money-vacuuming "ministries". It's one thing for the widow's mite to go to the temple, but to hand it to a street vendor for a fortune cookie will neither sustain her or do anything for God. In "less fortunate" I see those who belong to the Lord but who have not the wisdom (yet) to see how throwing God's resources and what is theirs away does not earn them any blessing. I am quite aware of the phenomenon that you are refering to. I'm also aware that God is good. Based on that, I would tend to believe that even when someone sends their money to a televangelist that God will be more than able to take care of them. In fact, inthe deep south there is a saying... "God looks after His idiots." However, your definition of "less fortunate" would more accurately fit the "less experienced" or "more naive". Suffice it to say, I trust God to work out the financials.quote:
I think that's the faith vs. works approaches. Certainly pray and shut 'em down...for their sakes too if they may repent. That sounds great... but is says nothing about the point being made. If we believe that God answers prayer, that He is good to us, and that if we ask for fish He will notgive us a stone... then why not pray for God to give Wisdom and Revelation, and then trust Him that He will?
As for faith vs. works... by which are we saved? I'm sure that we are probably about to delve in James 2, so I'm going to cut it off at the pass... If you cross paths with someone who is considering sending money or asking your opinion, feel free to steer them in a certain way. If you have a position where you are in authority over the person in question, you have the right and job description as a leader to set them straight. That being said, faith accomplishes what it would take an army to accomplish.
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RE: Dualing Prophecies-Who's Right? - 10/6/2008 12:01:08 PM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: Brenyada
Earthless,
My response was to Lapidoth who made a statement that Torah was abolished. I should have made that more clear. To your statement, we are never to made heed to false prophet and there is much scripture to back that up.
Which post made you think Lapidoth thinks the Torah was abolished.
I'm not on that side of the fence.
I realize these forums get mixed up by what we think was said. lol.
I'm not one of those "I'm not under the Law" adherents.
thanks
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RE: Dualing Prophecies-Who's Right? - 10/7/2008 3:03:16 AM
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FurGodWurLivin
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Lapidoth... I think it's the sarcasm to be found in your sig... an understandable mistake to be sure...
Adam
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RE: Dualing Prophecies-Who's Right? - 10/8/2008 12:43:20 PM
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Lapidoth
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Oh,
Yeah, I forget that people don't get the gist of the sig. lol.
thanks
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
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