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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/25/2008 12:36:13 AM
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I don't think you need to throw out your CDs. This reminds me of the Ray Boltz thread, but I see a distinction because Clay Aiken does not have a ministry and Ray Boltz does. There are many entertainers that live lifestyles that are not Christian and that does not make them less talented. Sexual orientation isn't something I judge people on when it comes to what entertains me. I just think that's something that each individual needs to decide based on what you're hearing from God.
True, but people who are Christians and in the public eye should be of a higher standard. I'm sick and tired of those who call themselves belivers compomise with the world and this includes a lifestyle which is not in concert with bibicial teaching.
These people chose to fall into that sin. This reminds me of a well-known gospel musician who wrote some of the biggest hits in the gospel music industry, yet this man in his later years and before he passed away a decade ago was in this lifestyle, then later died from the effects of his sin. I was hoping and praying that this man repented of his lifestyle and his deception of folks who kept it a secret.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/25/2008 10:07:44 AM
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I agree with you Gayle. There are so many Christians out there giving Christianity a bad name...but for what it's worth, I haven't followed Clay Aiken's career at all and had no idea he called himself a born-again Christian. We don't always know who believes what, you know?
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/25/2008 11:39:26 AM
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Clay Aiken coming out: No surprise
Ray Boltz coming out: VERY BIG surprise
Matt Millen getting fired: EVEN BIGGER surprise
Shall I go on?
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 12:43:33 AM
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My mom was a big Liberace fan. I remember how shocked she was after he died and his boyfriend sued his estate for "palimony." My sister and I laughed so hard, I though we'd die! Mom was going on and on about how she couldn't believe that her beloved pianist was "one of those." This was before Sis went on to marry a gay man. Mom's sort of more worldly these days.
I just don't get how someone could be surprised by the Aiken news.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 11:20:08 AM
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I am more surprised that he called himself a born-again Christian than anything else. I had no idea.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 12:40:00 PM
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It was kinda obvious, but I was just hoping that he was just geeky. What's unfortunate is that "Family Friendly" radio played his stuff and did not with American Idol contestants that were blatantly Christian in their content like George Huff, R.J. Helton, Ruben Studdard, and Jordin Sparks were ignored.
Wonder if they'll play his stuff this Christmas...
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 12:41:29 PM
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I don't think you need to throw out your CDs. This reminds me of the Ray Boltz thread, but I see a distinction because Clay Aiken does not have a ministry and Ray Boltz does. There are many entertainers that live lifestyles that are not Christian and that does not make them less talented. Sexual orientation isn't something I judge people on when it comes to what entertains me. I just think that's something that each individual needs to decide based on what you're hearing from God.
True, but people who are Christians and in the public eye should be of a higher standard. I'm sick and tired of those who call themselves belivers compomise with the world and this includes a lifestyle which is not in concert with bibicial teaching.
These people chose to fall into that sin. This reminds me of a well-known gospel musician who wrote some of the biggest hits in the gospel music industry, yet this man in his later years and before he passed away a decade ago was in this lifestyle, then later died from the effects of his sin. I was hoping and praying that this man repented of his lifestyle and his deception of folks who kept it a secret.
All you have to do is go to the GMWA, which he created, and you'll see that its more prevalent than not. When I attended, some folk weren't hiding it; however, during the midnight musical that Kirk Franklin sang at, he called them out on it!
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 12:55:29 PM
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I don't follow Christian music. I had no idea that Aiken presented himself as religious. Do they really like play his music in churches or church events, that kind of stuff?
Just curious! Church to me was always choirs and organ music.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 1:09:03 PM
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I don't follow Christian music. I had no idea that Aiken presented himself as religious. Do they really like play his music in churches or church events, that kind of stuff?
Just curious! Church to me was always choirs and organ music.
Not really in church services, but early on he was known for wearing his WWJD bracelets and what not. It's a shame that he indentifies himself this way. A friend of mine struggles with Same Sex Attraction, but does not act on it. If people were to meet him they would probably think he was gay based on the stereotypes he exhibits, but he does not consider himself gay. He loves the LORD and won't give in to the feelings he is tempted by.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 1:29:39 PM
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It was kinda obvious, but I was just hoping that he was just geeky. What's unfortunate is that "Family Friendly" radio played his stuff and did not with American Idol contestants that were blatantly Christian in their content like George Huff, R.J. Helton, Ruben Studdard, and Jordin Sparks were ignored.
Wonder if they'll play his stuff this Christmas...
I can only think of one song by George Huff, and that was around 2004.
Remember Helton being on a cover of Breakaway (young men's mag from FOTF) that same year. Also seems to have vanished without a trace.
Studdard (aka the guy that beat Clay)...didn't know he professed to be a Christian. I knew about Sparks, and there's a good chance those stations may play her more (probably because she stood up to that Brand guy).
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 1:35:44 PM
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Reuben, Jordin Sparks, and George Huff won't get played on Family Safe Radio because they're gospel, and they don't play that style of music. At least not on the station around here.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 1:56:23 PM
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Reuben, Jordin Sparks, and George Huff won't get played on Family Safe Radio because they're gospel, and they don't play that style of music. At least not on the station around here.
In Los Angeles, either, which is exactly my point. God's music shouldn't be segregated...especially when you have songs like George Huff's remake of "Glory Defined", Jordin's smooth rendition of "God Loves Ugly", or Ruben's "Shout To the Lord". It's sad...
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 1:58:30 PM
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It was kinda obvious, but I was just hoping that he was just geeky. What's unfortunate is that "Family Friendly" radio played his stuff and did not with American Idol contestants that were blatantly Christian in their content like George Huff, R.J. Helton, Ruben Studdard, and Jordin Sparks were ignored.
Wonder if they'll play his stuff this Christmas...
I can only think of one song by George Huff, and that was around 2004.
Remember Helton being on a cover of Breakaway (young men's mag from FOTF) that same year. Also seems to have vanished without a trace.
Studdard (aka the guy that beat Clay)...didn't know he professed to be a Christian. I knew about Sparks, and there's a good chance those stations may play her more (probably because she stood up to that Brand guy).
In lieu of a Christmas project, Ruben did a whole Gospel project. George also had a full Gospel project on Word Records.
Helton didn't get played because he was on GospoCentric...the same label that produced Kirk Franklin...
Jordin? I don't know...
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 1:59:38 PM
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I don't follow Christian music. I had no idea that Aiken presented himself as religious. Do they really like play his music in churches or church events, that kind of stuff?
Just curious! Church to me was always choirs and organ music.
Amen! More power to him! That's the whole point...everyone gets tempted, but its the power of the Holy Spirit in us and using the Word to overcome it!
Not really in church services, but early on he was known for wearing his WWJD bracelets and what not. It's a shame that he indentifies himself this way. A friend of mine struggles with Same Sex Attraction, but does not act on it. If people were to meet him they would probably think he was gay based on the stereotypes he exhibits, but he does not consider himself gay. He loves the LORD and won't give in to the feelings he is tempted by.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 4:36:14 PM
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RJ Helton is also gay. He came out a few years back. Google him and you my find some articles concerning this.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/26/2008 4:43:32 PM
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I don't follow Christian music. I had no idea that Aiken presented himself as religious. Do they really like play his music in churches or church events, that kind of stuff?
Just curious! Church to me was always choirs and organ music.
Not really in church services, but early on he was known for wearing his WWJD bracelets and what not. It's a shame that he indentifies himself this way. A friend of mine struggles with Same Sex Attraction, but does not act on it. If people were to meet him they would probably think he was gay based on the stereotypes he exhibits, but he does not consider himself gay. He loves the LORD and won't give in to the feelings he is tempted by.
Is Aiken in a homosexual relationship?
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/27/2008 9:00:29 AM
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How can he call himself a christian when he is doing something that is so impure?
And 'born-again' at that!
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/27/2008 9:24:38 AM
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I don't follow Christian music. I had no idea that Aiken presented himself as religious. Do they really like play his music in churches or church events, that kind of stuff?
Just curious! Church to me was always choirs and organ music.
Not really in church services, but early on he was known for wearing his WWJD bracelets and what not. It's a shame that he indentifies himself this way. A friend of mine struggles with Same Sex Attraction, but does not act on it. If people were to meet him they would probably think he was gay based on the stereotypes he exhibits, but he does not consider himself gay. He loves the LORD and won't give in to the feelings he is tempted by.
Is Aiken in a homosexual relationship?
I don't know, but it is simply the fact that he will refer to himself as a homosexual. My friend would never do that. He will say "I struggle with same sex attraction." I think there is a big difference there. Once somebody identifies themselves as a homosexual, it's as if they have accepted it as absolute truth about who they are, rather than giving that to God and seeking Him for deliverance, as my friend is doing. I think that Clay Aiken has been done in by his fame. He has probably struggled with this for years, but has been able to remain celebate and in a good relationship with God. However, the people he has met from Hollywood and whatever have probably convinced him that that is what he is, rather than something he struggles with and can overcome by surrendering it to Jesus. That's just my 2 cents.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/27/2008 8:45:49 PM
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Oh my, pretty soon we will find out that both Rod Steward and David Bowie are straight! The later by his own admission.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/28/2008 10:35:14 AM
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RJ Helton is also gay. He came out a few years back. Google him and you my find some articles concerning this.
Did not know that. Pretty sure we won't see that Breakaway issue if FOTF ever provides back issues of their magazines.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/28/2008 1:01:52 PM
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I remember when I was in highschool, the shock and outrage by even non christians when Pete Townsend came out. Now it's like wow like we didn't already know that from both camps when somebody comes out. Have we all been that desensitized?
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/28/2008 1:39:06 PM
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Apparently so! 
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/28/2008 1:41:57 PM
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I think that everyone pretty much knows gay people nowadays, just like most people know a Muslim, or atheist, or whatever.
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RE: Clay Aiken... - 9/28/2008 1:43:55 PM
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Nah, I wouldn't say that is necessarily true.
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