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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 10:32:42 PM
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I wonder how often the reason we feel challenged is because we feel more secure in what we know then what we do not........even when it comes to the Lord.
Yes. Our little comfort zones are sometimes hard to leave.
(I was going to post more, but deleted it. It's a lie I have been dealing with, and quite honestly, I really am not up for any more discouragement from responses that I'm sure would come from my posting it.)
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/29/2008 10:44:21 PM
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(I was going to post more, but deleted it. It's a lie I have been dealing with, and quite honestly, I really am not up for any more discouragement from responses that I'm sure would come from my posting it.) Sam I hope you reconsider and post......for several reasons....
1. bringing lies into the light take away their power
2. those who post in the threads are not always the ones God wishes to speak to through our post. (you taught me that girlie)
3. Discouragement is always rooted in a lie....your post might just uncover a hidden lie someone is believing
4 I will most likely bug you to tell me tomorrow anyway
5 I for one am always encouraged with your post even on the rare occasions we disagree......your post challenge me to ask myself questions and dig deeper......which in turn allows God to speak even more meaning into what I was already believing.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/30/2008 1:22:34 PM
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In my devotions this morning, I came across this little gem. I believe it speaks to the lie I have been dealing with.
Paul is speaking to the Thessalonians and says "If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame." (2 Thes 3:14)
Oh, we Christians are so good at putting others to shame! Some are better at it than others ... some love to mock those who are not following certain teachings in the Bible ... make their weaker brothers and sisters in the faith a laughingstock ... indeed encouraging others to laugh and make fun of as well ... say "oh, it's just in good humor - where's your sense of humor" ... lacking compassion for a heart that is hurting and needs a little care, a little guidance, perhaps a kind or gentle word ... some who are impatient with others who have not yet learned a lesson they have learned ... some who make their younger brethren or weaker brethren feel inferior ... some who may cause another to stumble with the caveat that "that's your problem, not mine" ... oh the shame we are able to heap on one another. And quite happily too. Perhaps this is part of the learning process that we need to unlearn.
But if we read on, in the very next sentence Paul tells us "Yet, do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother." (2 Thes 3:15)
Hmm ... admonish.
I looked "admonish" up, and this is what Encarta's online dictionary says:
1. rebuke somebody: to rebuke somebody mildly but earnestly
2. advise somebody: to advise somebody to do or, more often, not to do something
I personally see a lot of the putting to shame, but unfortunately I don't see a lot of the admonishing.
\o/ Praise God for bringing this scripture to me this morning ... He always, without fail, has a better way of explaining something than I ever could.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/30/2008 2:00:46 PM
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As evident on the threads, we single Christians, have moments when the circumstances in our lives, including the circumstance of being single, seem too heavy of a burden for us to carry.
We feel discouraged and think if only we were married then everything would be better.
I don't think it is the circumstance of being single that is really the problem as much as the lies Satan speaks and we believe in our singleness.
This thread's purpose is not to focus on Satan but instead to reveal his lies.
Lies always lose their power when they are revealed in the light.
My challenge to you and myself, in this thread, is for each of us to look at our circumstances, not only that of being single but the other circumstances in our lives, ask God to identify and name the lies we are believing and then to boldly bring those lies into the light.
Once those lies are in the light they no longer have a voice to speak into our circumstances.......
One of the lies I was believing, and admittedly still struggle with at times, which was spoken into my single circumstances was that I am not only unlovable but that I am also incapable of loving.
By identifying and naming the lie I was believing God lead me to repentance and then replaced the lie with His truth.......and his truth is that not only am I very lovable but I have an overabundance of love to give to others.
Can you identify and name the lies spoken in your single circumstances?
What is God's truth which is replacing this lie?
I'm posting a little blindly here. I started reading the conversation - but have to leave soon, so I don't have time to digest everything. Please forgive me. I think that for me, there are a couple of lies.
The first is that there is something inherently flawed in me that would make someone not want me. I believe this stems back to some things that happened when I was a little girl and I got a little insight on this last week. People tell me over and over and over again that they like me, that I'm gentle, sweet, kind, etc. But it doesn't always sink in. It is an area that I've had to struggle in - but I am overcoming it day by day, so I am thankful.
The second one is that there is no man out there for me. As Christians, we often walk in different ways. There are some for whom the spiritual walk is cut and dry. The bible says x so we should do x. Then there are some who say the bible says x and we should do x, but in this instance the Spirit is telling me to also do y (or not to do x at all). Sometimes God just shows you things ... about people about situations - so things aren't always what they appear to be on the surface. This is often misunderstood. I have always been the second type, but God has always surrounded me with people who approach him in the cut and dry way. I'm glad, because it has been really helpful for me, and I don't think there is anything wrong with either type. We all walk towards Jesus and both approaches have their strengths.
But because I know that I walk differently, I tend to hide myself because I know that if I really say what I hear the Spirit saying - or if I really say what I've been thinking about - there are many who will think that I'm naive, strange, or a little batty. But I'm not. Or I know that people will get angry. If the Spirit really prompts me to say it, I will - regardless of repercussion.
I know that the type of man that I need is someone who has a similar spiritual approach. But I don't run across very many single men who are like that - so I feel like there is no one out there for me. Like I'm too wierd. I know with all of my heart that this is a lie from the enemy, that it is almost like a person looking at the night sky through a little whole in the roof and thinking that it contains 5 stars. I know that there are men out there that are walking by the Spirit and want with all their heart to serve God and are looking for wives who have the same heart. But then I feel like, maybe I've set the bar too high. Then I think that I'll probably be single forever.
I'm not sure how to speak truth to these lies, to be honest with you.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/30/2008 2:16:04 PM
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I'm not sure how to speak truth to these lies, to be honest with you. The first thing you do is name them........which you have done.
1. You are flawed to the degree no one would want you..........LIE
2.That people who tell you how gentle, sweet, kind etc you are are not telling the truth.........LIE
3. That there are no men out there who walk under open heavens.............LIE
4.Hearing the voice of God is strange................LIE
5. Having eyes to see and ears to hear means you will be misunderstood............LIE
6. Hiding yourself is your best form of protection..............LIE
7. Since sharing what you hear the Spirit say or what you are thinking will make you seem batty to some it is better to not say anything ...........LIE
8. You are weird...........LIE
9 You set the bar..........LIE
10 That you will be single forever..........LIE
Now pray and ask the Lord to forgive you for believing these lies and ask him to speak truth to you in place of the lie...............I will pray for you as well this evening and come and post what the Lord says.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/30/2008 2:29:46 PM
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Oh, we Christians are so good at putting others to shame! Some are better at it than others ... some love to mock those who are not following certain teachings in the Bible ... make their weaker brothers and sisters in the faith a laughingstock ... indeed encouraging others to laugh and make fun of as well ... say "oh, it's just in good humor - where's your sense of humor" ... lacking compassion for a heart that is hurting and needs a little care, a little guidance, perhaps a kind or gentle word ... some who are impatient with others who have not yet learned a lesson they have learned ... some who make their younger brethren or weaker brethren feel inferior ... some who may cause another to stumble with the caveat that "that's your problem, not mine" ... oh the shame we are able to heap on one another. And quite happily too. Perhaps this is part of the learning process that we need to unlearn. In his book Mr. Miller talks quite a bit about the life boat mentality which comes from the curse. The mentality is there is a limited amount of space in the lifeboat and it is over crowded........In order to make sure we are not the next one throw overboard we must, self preservation, we must point out why so and so should be the next to go and not ourselves.........From the time we are young children this is how we function........it is part of the curse..........and as Christians, though we are no longer subject to the curse, we often still act and function as though we are still bound to it..........We are constantly trying to make ourselves look better while making another look bad........that attitude is so not the heart of Christ.
I read a survey geared towards the book "The Shack". People were asked what was the first thing which made you uncomfortable reading the book and is that thing still the thing which makes you most uncomfortable reading the book............surprisingly it was not the sex of the characters but God saying "I am especially fond of that one" about people who readers felt God should not be fond...........It is the same mentality.........if God is especially fond of so and so then he must not be as fond of me........Everything has a value on the scale and if someone is seen as high on the scale then it means we must be lower...........
The lie we believe is that our value is based on the value of another.....that God's kingdom functions on a scale as does the real world.........and the only way to move up the scale is to move someone else down.
God's truth is none of us even belongs on the scale but he puts us there and he puts all of us at the top.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/30/2008 2:41:33 PM
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I'm not sure how to speak truth to these lies, to be honest with you. The first thing you do is name them........which you have done.
1. You are flawed to the degree no one would want you..........LIE
2.That people who tell you how gentle, sweet, kind etc you are are not telling the truth.........LIE
3. That there are no men out there who walk under open heavens.............LIE
4.Hearing the voice of God is strange................LIE
5. Having eyes to see and ears to hear means you will be misunderstood............LIE
6. Hiding yourself is your best form of protection..............LIE
7. Since sharing what you hear the Spirit say or what you are thinking will make you seem batty to some it is better to not say anything ...........LIE
8. You are weird...........LIE
9 You set the bar..........LIE
10 That you will be single forever..........LIE
Now pray and ask the Lord to forgive you for believing these lies and ask him to speak truth to you in place of the lie...............I will pray for you as well this evening and come and post what the Lord says.
Thank you Joy. I think that these lies have been a part of my thought patterns for so long, that I haven't been able to recognize them. I will definitely pray about this, renounce them, and ask for forgiveness concerning them - and ask God to show me His Truth so that I can combat them should they try to worm their way into my thought patterns again. I think that for so long, I had a definite check in my spirit about sharing what was happening to me - which I believe in that season was from the Lord. But, I don't think that is the case anymore. I've experienced a lot of things in my walk with Christ that I have no words for - no teaching for. (I've rarely been in places where they've taught me about what I'm actually experiencing in the Lord - although they gave me a solid theological framework that keeps me grounded.) It reminds me of the first time I spoke in tongues - I was going for a good 20 minutes before I realized it was. I didn't have any teaching on it - except that somehow it was a bad thing - so I didn't understand. I've usually had to turn to books and the Bible - although the Lord has hooked me up with a good prophetic group recently. It is the first place in a long time where I've been able to just move in my giftings without having someone tell me that the gifts I have been given have ceased or are no longer in operation. Some have come to me for prayer, and the Lord has just shown me exactly what to speak, what has been going on in their lives, etc. The other night He moved so strongly Joy! What I'm seeing is that the gifts flow into one another. Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge, Prophecy, Miracles. Even the office of Evangelism or Teaching among others. All of them involve hearing from God and doing what He says. And because there is a common source, there is unity even in the giftings - it is like we are looking at a three-dimensional polygon and each gift is a side of it - but it is one polygon - even as there is unity or "oneness" in the body and among believers. Anyway - I don't want to hijack this thread and take it off topic. I'll talk with you more about this later. I have questions about open heavens among other things.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 9/30/2008 3:19:21 PM
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Your post made me smile big time rgod........
I think often the reason resistance is met has a lot to do with what Sam posted.
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Those are the lies I see most often ... just because the majority do it or think it, that when someone doesn't do or think it, the thought process seems to be that they must be phony
On occassion when one christian shares something God does in their life, which another has not experienced, human nature to says........God must not do that cause if he did then he would do so with me and he hasn't therefore he must not do so......
We tend to evaluate ourselves and our relationship with the Lord based on what another's relationship with the Lord looks like.........that such relationships can be compared is a lie we believe.........the truth is each relationship is so unique and individualized that no two will ever look the same.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 10/1/2008 10:33:45 PM
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rgod I don't know if you prayed and asked God to speak truth to replace the lies but I wanted to share something.
This may not be true of you and if it isn't then please don't feel you have to agree with me.
The sense that I get is that deep down you know these lies are not true......you have known for a while these lies are not true and deep down you know God truth yet you are not releasing the lies or allowing God's truth to take there place because it is in them you find protection......protection for your heart.......protection for you emotions.
As long as you can convince yourself these things are true you can guard your heart but if you let them go and allow God's truth to dictate your actions those actions might require you to risk more of your heart....make you more vulnerable.
I will continue to pray for you and look forward to you sharing what God is showing you.
Joy
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RE: Now that is a lie - 10/2/2008 12:13:56 AM
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rgod I don't know if you prayed and asked God to speak truth to replace the lies but I wanted to share something.
This may not be true of you and if it isn't then please don't feel you have to agree with me.
The sense that I get is that deep down you know these lies are not true......you have known for a while these lies are not true and deep down you know God truth yet you are not releasing the lies or allowing God's truth to take there place because it is in them you find protection......protection for your heart.......protection for you emotions.
As long as you can convince yourself these things are true you can guard your heart but if you let them go and allow God's truth to dictate your actions those actions might require you to risk more of your heart....make you more vulnerable.
I will continue to pray for you and look forward to you sharing what God is showing you.
Joy
Joy thank you for sharing this. Yes - I think that you have hit upon something. I think in some ways, I am afraid of totally letting go - of being hurt - and that these are patterns that were formed long ago. I know that God can change me - and I know that this will mean letting go. It is kind of like "putting away childish things."
Thank you for praying - I appreciate it. I have a lot to pray about and meditate on tonight ...
rgod
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RE: Now that is a lie - 10/2/2008 12:34:07 AM
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I know that God can change me - and I know that this will mean letting go. It is kind of like "putting away childish things" and instead walking in the Spirit all the way - not in a stunted way as I've done for many years.
Matt 18: 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And what is a little child like? Normally humble, dependent, unable to defend his own rights or advance his own causes, one to be taken care of.
As we realize that only God make us victorious, as we depend on Him to make things happen for us it becomes much easier for us to handle things (emotionally).
When the Girl was 3 (before M got sick) she never worried about having food or clothes or anything, she knew that mommy and daddy would take care of her and she trusted us to do that. She didn't know any better but to trust us. So for her, handling life was easy. If she had a problem.... mommy or daddy would fix it.
So now we are all grown up and we have problems. The funny thing is the answer is still exactly the same....Daddy will fix it. Sometimes He changes us, sometimes He changes the circumstance, but He always fixes it.
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RE: Now that is a lie - 10/2/2008 12:37:53 AM
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I know that God can change me - and I know that this will mean letting go. It is kind of like "putting away childish things" and instead walking in the Spirit all the way - not in a stunted way as I've done for many years.
Matt 18: 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And what is a little child like? Normally humble, dependent, unable to defend his own rights or advance his own causes, one to be taken care of.
As we realize that only God make us victorious, as we depend on Him to make things happen for us it becomes much easier for us to handle things (emotionally).
When the Girl was 3 (before M got sick) she never worried about having food or clothes or anything, she knew that mommy and daddy would take care of her and she trusted us to do that. She didn't know any better but to trust us. So for her, handling life was easy. If she had a problem.... mommy or daddy would fix it.
So now we are all grown up and we have problems. The funny thing is the answer is still exactly the same....Daddy will fix it. Sometimes He changes us, sometimes He changes the circumstance, but He always fixes it.
Thank you John_O. This post was "right on time" as the saying goes. It is funny - it is very easy for me to let go of physical needs, spiritual needs, financial needs, etc., but for other types of needs I find myself still not wanting to become like a child and trusting the Lord all the way. Yet He calls us to that. It is almost like a partial trust, which really isn't trust at all. Thanks also for sharing the real-life example as well.
I hope that you enjoy the rest of your night!
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